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Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:34 pm

I was just checking out Google Maps, looking at the old layout of Denver's (now decommissioned) Stapleton Airport. On the map, Interstate 70 completely bisects one of the runways right in its midsection.

I'm fairly confident this wasn't the case when the airport was operational. How was the highway routed back in the good ol' days of Stapleton?
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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:35 pm

Quoting Ssides (Thread starter):
I'm fairly confident this wasn't the case when the airport was operational.

It was. Quite disconcerting to see planes landing on you from the roadway.

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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:42 pm

Wow. Did the runways go over or under the highway?
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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:43 pm

Quoting Ssides (Reply 2):
Wow. Did the runways go over or under the highway?

They would have had to go under.
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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:49 pm

Quoting Ssides (Reply 2):
Did the runways go over or under the highway?

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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:55 pm

Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
They would have had to go under.

No more drinking for you either.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 1):
It was. Quite disconcerting to see planes landing on you from the roadway.

It was equally very fun to watch planes taking off from right over the road, or a little bit further down.

Atlanta's new runway goes directly over one of the largest clusterfucks, I mean roadways in the US.

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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Wed Nov 07, 2007 8:56 pm

I-70 went directly underneath rwy 35L/17R at the runway's midpoint. The threshold for runway 35R was located just north of the interstate.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 3):
Quoting Ssides (Reply 2):
Wow. Did the runways go over or under the highway?


They would have had to go under.

 rotfl  ...you sure about that ?  wink 

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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:16 pm

If I remember correctly, the structural strength of the bridges (there were two, one for Runway 35L/17R and its parallel taxiway and the second for the taxiway to Runway 35R/17L) did not permit 747s to use either of the two runways. 747s used runway 26L/8R if I remember correctly.
 
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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Wed Nov 07, 2007 9:18 pm

I believe you to be correct.

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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:12 pm

The tunnels that I-70 went through under the runway were torn down about 10 years ago.
 
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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:22 pm

Quoting DIA77 (Reply 9):
The tunnels that I-70 went through under the runway were torn down about 10 years ago.

Yes sir, we know.  Smile They weren't really tunnels exactly, but just the solid runway overhead with its many supports.

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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:22 pm

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 6):
...you sure about that ?

I must have been drinking  Silly
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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:35 pm

There are several examples of runways that go over freeways and city streets:

At LAX, Sepulveda Blvd tunnels underneath the southern runways. That's an experience - a fully loaded jumbo jet lumbering for take-off and vibrating the whole tunnel!!

At BFL, both runway 30R and the adjoining taxiway cross over Seventh Standard Road.

At the Boeing assembly plant, the planes must cross over a road on an overpass to reach the final assembly point. Is this the paint shop? Someone in the know help me with this one - I've only seen pictures of it!!

At ORD, several taxiways cross directly over the entrance road, leading to 31L (?). Whether or not they will all be kept is unknown to me.

At ATL, the new runway (10/28) goes under the interstate highway.

Are there any others?

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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:40 pm


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I-70 runs along the left side of this a.net Stapleton photo. A dirt outline of where runway 17R/35L sat can be seen running left to right in the center of the picture. The threshold of runway 35R was located roughly where the left of the two newer white roofed buildings sits.

Quoting N1120A (Reply 11):
I must have been drinking

.....as they say, it is five o'clock somewhere  wink 

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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:43 pm

At MKE, S. Howell Ave. goes under the runway.
 
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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:48 pm

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 13):
.....as they say, it is five o'clock somewhere wink

And he doesn't really drink.

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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:50 pm

Not just major international airports either, even though it seems quite the expensive alternative when you're talking a GA field..
My new "home" tiny little Greene County Regional (I19) here near Dayton has a county road going under it's sole runway, because somehow they found it more economical to tunnel the roadway than to put a little meander in the roadway when they lengthened the runway. http://i19airport.com/tunnel/index.shtml

Likewise PA-885 goes under the main runway at Pittsburgh's AGC.
 
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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Wed Nov 07, 2007 10:54 pm

Quoting Stapleton (Reply 7):
If I remember correctly, the structural strength of the bridges (there were two, one for Runway 35L/17R and its parallel taxiway and the second for the taxiway to Runway 35R/17L) did not permit 747s to use either of the two runways. 747s used runway 26L/8R if I remember correctly.

I specifically remember seeing 747s from CO, Pan Am, and Flying Tigers taxiing over I-70. So I think they were cleared to use 35R/17L.
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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:12 pm

Quoting DIA (Reply 17):
I specifically remember seeing 747s from CO, Pan Am, and Flying Tigers taxiing over I-70. So I think they were cleared to use 35R/17L.

You could be right, I know that bridge was built well after the arrival of 747s so it would make sense that it was built to handle the 747. It must have been 35L/17R that was restricted.
 
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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:15 pm

A 747 is alot less stress on a structure while taxiing than landing (even the best "greaser" is a pretty heavy hit when the plane weighs that much... and harmonic motions on bridge structures are not a good thing.)

They may have been permitted taxiing across the structure, just not allowed using it for actual flight operations.
 
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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:16 pm

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 12):
At ATL, the new runway (10/28) goes under the interstate highway.

I wish you were right on this one. A runway going through a tunel would be an experience, especially during an aborted landing  Wink
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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:23 pm

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 10):
Yes sir, we know. They weren't really tunnels exactly, but just the solid runway overhead with its many supports.

Actually, it was a fairly long tunnel....
 
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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:32 pm

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 12):
Are there any others?

London Heathrow - the entrance road passes under Runway 09L/27R.
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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:38 pm

Quoting Ssides (Reply 2):
Did the runways go over or under the highway?

Over  Yeah sure

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 4):
Put down the cocktail. No more for you today.

hahahah, just think about the question? Imagine a go-around

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 5):
largest clusterfucks, I mean roadways in the US.

 rotfl 

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 12):
a fully loaded jumbo jet lumbering for take-off and vibrating the whole tunnel!!

trust me it is scary. There was a traffic jam in the tunnel, and the rumbling noise was terrifying, what if the structure was unstable  scared  It took me 30 minutes to get from In-n-out to the Proud Bird  grumpy 
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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Wed Nov 07, 2007 11:43 pm

You know I can't let a Stapleton post go by without saying something  Smile

Photos courtesy of Jamie Sullivan's amazing Stapleton Airport site:

http://www.aviationphotographs.net/StapletonAirport/ThomRowland/thom-002.jpg
http://www.aviationphotographs.net/StapletonAirport/CDOT/cdot-001.jpg

The second photo doesn't reflect the additional tunnel area for the taxiways linking the terminals with 35R/17L...If I recall when those tunnels came down in 1995, they came down a little easier than they should have....Will have to try and find the old story of it.

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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:28 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 12):
At ORD, several taxiways cross directly over the entrance road, leading to 31L (?). Whether or not they will all be kept is unknown to me.

They're sticking around.

11-29 at STL is another good one.


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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:54 am

 
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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Thu Nov 08, 2007 12:57 am

Quoting RyDawg82 (Reply 24):
You know I can't let a Stapleton post go by without saying something

Great picture!

I'm still pretty sure that they did not use 35L/17R which was the runway that actually crossed I-70 whereas the 35R/17L was on the other side of I-70 and they only needed to taxi over the highway. A lot less stress to taxi over a bridge than to land on one.
 
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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:03 am

All North south runways at Mem have a 6 lane rd under them,, well there is one taxiway on one
i can see for 80 miles
 
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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:02 am

Quoting Stapleton (Reply 27):
I'm still pretty sure that they did not use 35L/17R which was the runway that actually crossed I-70 whereas the 35R/17L was on the other side of I-70 and they only needed to taxi over the highway. A lot less stress to taxi over a bridge than to land on one.

Can't attest to landings on 35L; however, the second photo I posted shows an aircraft using that runway (appears to be taking off). I can recall departing in November 1994 from DEN-PSP on a UA 727-200 from 35L.

Additionally, look at the tunnels in SEA or LAX...Those definitely support both arrivals and departures over the top. Royal nabbed this touchdown in SEA of a BA 744:

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Edit: I ask for forgiveness from the Stapleton powers that be  Smile I gave credit to the photo site to Jamie Sullivan...While Jamie runs a great old terminals website featuring Stapleton, the site I quoted was actually Steve Gustafson's site. I apologize for the mixup.... -R

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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:05 am

Marvin Berryman's pic.

http://www.aviationphotographs.net/StapletonAirport/MarvinBerryman1/marvin-001.jpg
 
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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:28 am

Quoting RyDawg82 (Reply 29):
Can't attest to landings on 35L; however, the second photo I posted shows an aircraft using that runway (appears to be taking off). I can recall departing in November 1994 from DEN-PSP on a UA 727-200 from 35L.

I think it was only the 747 that had restrictions from using 35L/17R. I remember lots of take-offs and landings on that runway with 737s and 727s. I also remember an AA 707 accident/incident on that runway around 1972 or 1973. American didn't even fly to Denver then so it is even more vivid in my memory. So I know the runway supported at least 707 size aircraft.
 
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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:35 am

http://www.aviationphotographs.net/S...rt/MarshallFamily/marshall-012.jpg

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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:28 am

Quoting ContnlEliteCMH (Reply 32):
Unless I woke up this morning and yesterday's elections changed something, Ohio and Indiana are mislabeled on the map in the above link!

I guess I live a little farther west now!

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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:04 am

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 12):
Are there any others?

Yes, SEA's runway 16R goes above S 188th Street. See the pic above with the BA 747.

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 12):
At the Boeing assembly plant, the planes must cross over a road on an overpass to reach the final assembly point. Is this the paint shop? Someone in the know help me with this one - I've only seen pictures of it!!

That's correct, and the road it covers is called Hwy 526 or "the Boeing Freeway".
 
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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:04 am

The runway (17R-35L) and two taxiways (one parallel on each side) actually crossed over the highway on bridges. Stapleton was one of the first airports in the country (if not the first) to have an active runway that crossed over a major highway. The bridges were taken down once the airport closed.
 
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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:07 am

I-70 tunneled under the runways back when Stapleton was an active airport. It used to be pretty cool to be driving down the interstate and watch a UA, CO (which hubbed at DEN back then) and old Frontier jets taking off right over you.

Traffic could be a mess there, especially during rush hour. It was also a bad spot for wrecks. I remember back around 1982 when a Denver police officer was checking out a stalled vehicle in the tunnel when another car ran into her and pinned her legs between the two cars. She survived, but was paralyzed from the waist down.

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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:14 am

Interstate 70 went under the runways when i lived in Denver they had the bridges still in place.
 
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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:31 am

The highway was routed under the taxiways and runway. As I remember there were two or three bridges over I-70 (I believe it was two) and when I was a little kid my parents used to slow down so that we could pass under a taxiing aircraft. The raised areas are still there next to I-70 today where the runway and taxiway went over the freeway but the bridges are gone. I just drove through there last week and was telling my kids this same story. "You know kids, when I was your age..."

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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:51 am

Same as it is now. The highway went under the runway.
 
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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:16 pm

Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 28):
All North south runways at Mem have a 6 lane rd under them,, well there is one taxiway on one

Ummmmm... many taxiways go over Winchester, but only 18C/36C actually goes over a roadway.

More from Stapleton.
http://www.aviationphotographs.net/StapletonAirport/MarvinBerryman1/marvin-014.jpg

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Thanks Marvin Berryman for "teh photos"

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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:55 pm

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I wish you were right on this one. A runway going through a tunel would be an experience, especially during an aborted landing

This is what happens when you type in a hurry...of course the ROAD goes UNDER the RUNWAY!!  footinmouth  Someone must have slipped me a few of those Chinese-made Aqua Dots or something...

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SEA's runway 16R goes above S 188th Street, and the road it covers is called Hwy 526 or "the Boeing Freeway".

I knew I had seen pictures of it somewhere - thanks!!
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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:28 pm

Both runways at MAN go over the road between the M56 and Styal

http://www.airliners.net/uf/536917131/phpVjdKH0.jpg

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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:54 pm

Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 4):
Quoting Ssides (Reply 2):
Did the runways go over or under the highway?

Put down the cocktail. No more for you today.

That was a good one.  crackup 

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 12):
At ORD, several taxiways cross directly over the entrance road, leading to 31L (?). Whether or not they will all be kept is unknown to me.

If you are talking about taxiways, MCO has got road running under taxiways.

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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:10 pm

First off, props to the guys who have linked the aviationphotographs.net website. I had lost track of Steve's superb Stapleton Airport website, which I have numerous photographs on. Now I've got it back and it's bookmarked. That said...

...one of my photos on Steve's site is the one below. I took it perhaps a week after Stapleton closed from a UA 722 flying in from SAN. What interests me looking at it now is not so much I-70 passing underneath runway 17R/35L, but, now that me and my kids are into trains, the train track that runs perhaps 2-3,000 feet closer to the terminal, and parallel with I-70.

http://www.aviationphotographs.net/StapletonAirport/ThomasMoore/thomas-026.jpg

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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:15 pm

KAGC in Pittsburgh goes over a road..
 
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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:53 pm

Doesn't Phoenix have roads that go under runways?


By the way what runway did CO 1713 crash on at Stapleton?

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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Thu Nov 08, 2007 8:54 pm

Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 16):
Not just major international airports either, even though it seems quite the expensive alternative when you're talking a GA field..
My new "home" tiny little Greene County Regional (I19) here near Dayton has a county road going under it's sole runway, because somehow they found it more economical to tunnel the roadway than to put a little meander in the roadway when they lengthened the runway. http://i19airport.com/tunnel/index.shtml

Although it's not my "home" airport any more, I am surprised I got beat to mentioning this one  Smile Makes you wonder if the landowners around the runway were really throwing that much of a fit that it was easier to tunnel under the runway.

I believe CMH has a couple taxiways that are crossed by Sawyer Rd. They also have plans to route Intl Gateway to the north and build a taxiway-bridge at the west entrance of the field. The project is already underway...
 
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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:11 pm

Quoting AirEMS (Reply 46):
Doesn't Phoenix have roads that go under runways?

under runways, no.....under taxiways, yes.

Quoting AirEMS (Reply 46):
By the way what runway did CO 1713 crash on at Stapleton?

.....taking off from runway 35L, crashed off the right side of the runway. NTSB report is at http://amelia.db.erau.edu/reports/ntsb/aar/AAR88-09.pdf

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RE: Interstate 70 And Denver Stapleton Airport

Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:19 pm

Winchester Rd goes under 18C at MEM and under several taxiways.

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