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Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:01 am

Any guesses? Obviously not UA & US being Star carriers.

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Air Berlin Close To Signing Alliance With U.S. Carrier
11/08/2007

Air Berlin is close to finalizing a bilateral alliance with a U.S. major carrier, CEO Joachim Hunold told members of the aviation press club in Frankfurt. He declined to say who the future partner will be, but said the deal would be "reached shortly."

Germany's second-largest airline is about to enter the scheduled, business traffic-oriented long-haul market and is eyeing several U.S. destinations. Air Berlin subsidiary LTU flies to New York from Duesseldorf, and the carriers recently applied to the U.S. Transportation Dept. for code-share authority. LTU would carry Air Berlin's code on its Duesseldorf-New York/-Miami/-Fort Myers and Berlin- Melbourne, Fla. services

Air Berlin has announced plans to start services from Duesseldorf to Beijing and Shanghai plus more U.S. destinations. In China, Air Berlin plans to cooperate with Hainan Airlines.

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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:05 am

JetBlue wouldn't surprise me here, would be a good link up.


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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:16 am

Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 1):
JetBlue wouldn't surprise me here, would be a good link up.

Me neither. I think it is B6
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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:25 am

Considering Air Berlin has flights to NYC, MIA, MLB, and RSW.. I could argue and say that it is AirTran..

jetBlue does not serve MIA or MLB..

Frontier does not serve MLB either..

The only other choice is AirTran as it is probably the closest to major that serves all of those cities..

Although my second choice would be Southwest, especially since they just started their Business flights on an oh so convenient day and they have been looking for long-haul opportunities and they ARE a major carrier..
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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:29 am

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 4):
Considering Air Berlin has flights to NYC, MIA, MLB, and RSW.. I could argue and say that it is AirTran..

They also fly to LAX seasonally. Here is their U.S./Canada network for summer 2008:

JFK-DUS, 6w

LAX-DUS, 5w

MIA-DUS, 5w
MIA-MUC, 2w

RSW-DUS, 2w
RSW-MUC, 2w

YVR-DUS, 2w

They are ending LAS, YYZ, and YVR-MUC, increasing MIA, and decreasing RSW.

MLB-TXL is a charter service operating this winter as 1x weekly, and it is looking likely that the flight will transfer to a scheduled service from MIA next winter.
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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:34 am

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 5):
They are ending LAS, YYZ, and YVR-MUC, increasing MIA, and decreasing RSW.

Has Belair given up their ZRH-YYC-YVR route? They're under the AB brand aswell now.
 
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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:58 am

I would think DL or CO. But with DL trying to grow JFK, it may be them.

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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Thu Nov 08, 2007 7:35 am

LT (now part of the AB Group) used to have a cooperation with JetBlue for quite a few years, so it would not surprise me if this cooperation would be extended.
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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:16 pm

Quoting LAXintl (Thread starter):
a U.S. major carrier,



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 1):
JetBlue

I have said that a while back that I would love to see a cooperation between JetBlue and Air Berlin but the article clearly states "US major carrier" so that sounds for me like AA, CO, NW etc..
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
 
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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:22 pm

MLB is no longer going to be flown. They cancelled the service.
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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:22 pm

Well DL/NW/CO - Skyteam is already big enough
UA has LH, they dont need another German carrier
That leaves only AA if tis a legacy, and AA lacks a strong German presence.

If its a legacy, my bet is AA, LCC would be anyone, who knows, maybe even WN
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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:27 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 11):
That leaves only AA if tis a legacy, and AA lacks a strong German presence.

That is true. It will be really great for AA if they make a agreement with Air Berlin.
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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:49 pm

Quoting B747forever (Reply 12):
That is true. It will be really great for AA if they make a agreement with Air Berlin.

AB could fly to some of the AA hubs such as ORD and DFW from DUS or TXL/BER they already fly to JFK and MIA which are AA hubs.
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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:00 pm

Rigth now it looks like that Condor will work together with Air Berlin and Lufthansa will give up its Condor shares. So there will be further flights from Germany to the US with Condor which can be sold by Air Berlin. Really wonder how Air Berlin will handle all this changes.
 
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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:02 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 13):
AB could fly to some of the AA hubs such as ORD and DFW from DUS or TXL/BER

That would I really like to see happen. If they make a agreement AB will possibly operate to at least ORD.
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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:03 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 9):
I have said that a while back that I would love to see a cooperation between JetBlue and Air Berlin but the article clearly states "US major carrier" so that sounds for me like AA, CO, NW etc..

Well, when Hunold says it is a "major" carrier, it could basically be anyone.
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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:06 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 11):
If its a legacy, my bet is AA

Well, all I have to say is that if it IS AA, then I think RDU will definitely get their German route sooner than later!
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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:22 pm

Quoting IAD51FL (Reply 7):
I would think DL or CO. But with DL trying to grow JFK, it may be them

I agree. At least a SkyTeam partnership...
 
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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:24 pm

Quoting Boeing7E7 (Reply 18):
I would think DL or CO. But with DL trying to grow JFK, it may be them

I agree. At least a SkyTeam partnership...

Both CO and DL are flying to TXL.................
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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:30 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 9):
I have said that a while back that I would love to see a cooperation between JetBlue and Air Berlin but the article clearly states "US major carrier" so that sounds for me like AA, CO, NW etc..

Virtually all US carriers are "major" when compared in size to Air Berlin.
 
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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:38 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 11):
Well DL/NW/CO - Skyteam is already big enough
UA has LH, they dont need another German carrier
That leaves only AA if tis a legacy, and AA lacks a strong German presence.

If its a legacy, my bet is AA, LCC would be anyone, who knows, maybe even WN

Don't assume that any existing alliance framework must necessarily remain static...
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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Thu Nov 08, 2007 5:50 pm

Next month I am flying AB & Niki for the first time... excited. Flying Paris-Berlin... but they don't offer non-stop service, so have to connect in VIE (Niki to VIE, then AB to TXL). I ordered the "gourmet breakfast" for EUR 11 on the CDG-VIE flight.  Smile
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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:23 pm

Quoting Avek00 (Reply 21):
Don't assume that any existing alliance framework must necessarily remain static...

Well i doubt NW/KL, DL/AF, UA/LH and AA/BA are going anywhere anytime soon... if US left Star, then i could see it being US.

Star has Germany covered with LH
Skyteam has good coverage via AMS and CDG hubs (even MXP and FCO to a lesser extent)

That leaves One World or an LCC
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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:33 pm

I believe it will be American Airlines and they will see how that goes and if it goes well they will re-brand all of there different brands into one Air Berlin and then announce they are joining oneworld as a full member. just my  twocents 
 
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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Thu Nov 08, 2007 6:35 pm

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 20):
Virtually all US carriers are "major" when compared in size to Air Berlin.



If Air Berlin were a U.S. airline, it would be roughly the 10th largest U.S. airline.

[Edited 2007-11-08 10:36:32]
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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:57 pm

How about WN. I doubt it but it would be cool. Airtran would be great too.  Smile  Smile  Smile

[Edited 2007-11-08 13:58:09]
 
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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:44 pm

I dont see why it couldnt be B6. Also, with AB having so many flights at STN, maybe AB could start JFK-STN but offer connecting services elsewhere.
 
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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:01 am

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 19):
Virtually all US carriers are "major" when compared in size to Air Berlin.



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 24):
If Air Berlin were a U.S. airline, it would be roughly the 10th largest U.S. airline.

Don´t know if it would be the 10th largest U.S. airline but together with DBA and LTU AB has quite a large fleet.
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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:59 pm

I noticed the following short article in the 11/9 eworld. The daily newsletter for oneworld partners.

Air Berlin aims for bilateral alliance with US partner
Air Berlin, now Germany's second largest airline, is close to completing a bilateral alliance with a US major carrier, its Chief Executive Joachim Hunold said in a speech to Frankfurth's Aviation Press Club. Its LTU subsidiary already serves New York from Dusseldorf.

The article was under competitor and industry headlines so it is not necessarily fair to say that Air Berlin will form an alliance with AA and/or join oneworld, but I think unless they go with a LCC, AA is the most logical choice with very good connections at JFK and LAX and excellent connections at MIA.

The alliance would also be great for AA. The feed and connections in Germany might make some routes like JFK-FRA, MIA-FRA, ORD-TXL/DUS/MUC work again.


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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:44 pm

Quoting RL757PVD (Reply 10):
Well DL/NW/CO - Skyteam is already big enough

well, apparently AF/KL is considering its options with regard of taking over Air Berlin which is in an extremely weak financial position and a very likely tke-over candidate. From that point of view, Skyteam would not surprise me....
 
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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:47 pm

Quoting AJMIA (Reply 28):
The alliance would also be great for AA. The feed and connections in Germany might make some routes like JFK-FRA, MIA-FRA,

AB is actually rather weak at FRA where LH is very strong and AB mainly serves leisure routes. AB's agressive FRA-ZRH service was withdrawn rather quick due to bad yields..
Flights to DUS, TXL, MUC and ZRH (and maybe STN & VIE) should have better onward connections on AB.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 24):
If Air Berlin were a U.S. airline, it would be roughly the 10th largest U.S. airline.

In 2006 AB had 19.6 million pax.
After integration of LT in 2007, figures stand at 23,910,360 pax January to October 2007. The (rather new) 49%-share in Belair is not reflected in these numbers.

With 27+ million pax, it would have which rank in the U.S. ?
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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:18 am

What about the Belair flights from YVR-ZRH?
Are they going to be back in 2008?
 
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RE: Air Berlin Close To Alliance With U.S. Carrier

Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:17 am



Quoting HT (Reply 30):
With 27+ million pax, it would have which rank in the U.S. ?

It would rank around the bottom half of the top ten.
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