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Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:22 am

The much awaited 10th Dubai Airshow is upon us and we have decided it would be appropriate to run 3 Official threads on the major LoI / MoU / Order announcements and one for any engine selections announced.

You can find the official Dubai airshow details at the following link

Dubai Airshow 2007

This thread is for Boeing announcements, below are links to the Homepage, Official Schedule and Press Release Site

Boeing Home Page Boeing Dubai Airshow Schedule Boeing News Release Centre

We ask that you refer to the following 2 links for Airbus and Powerplants

Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Airbus Thread

Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Engine Thread

Additionally, we realise that many Military Contracts may be announced. We ask that those be posted in our Military Aviation & Space Forum

The purpose of these threads is to keep a daily tabulation on any announcements made and to keep seperate each companies announcements. Though we understand there will be split orders, having the official threads should make it a lot easier to track orders for each OEM and make for a good reference for the future of the site.

We do realise that there will / may be major orders announced given recent speculation and some media reports. Therefore, if an order is announced and listed here, by a New A380 / 747-8 Operator, a Major A350 / B787 Commitment or by a carrier of regional or strategic importance, it should be entitled to it's own seperate thread. We ask that order be posted here with a link to the relevent thread and a link back to this thread, that way a free and open discussion can be had on EK, QR, GF or whoever, without overwhelming the official threads.

In relation to Regional orders such as ATR, Bombardier, Embraer and Sukhoi etc or any developments of new frames or further news of R&D in existing projects please feel free to go ahead and post as normal.

Some news may well be worth posting in our Tech / Ops Forum

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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:36 am

So I'm guessing the first order will be the (30) 787's for QR... Wonder if they will add any more 777's onto the (22) they ordered last yr.

Wondering if GF will order anything...?
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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:46 am

No the timing of these was not co-incidental  Wink

Cathay Pacific Order the following

7 x 777-300ER

10 x 747-8F + 14 Options

Fair use excerpt

By Clare Cheung
Nov. 8 (Bloomberg) -- Cathay Pacific Airways Ltd., Hong Kong's largest airline, agreed to buy 17 Boeing Co. airplanes, valued at approximately $5.2 billion, to meet rising demand for travel and trade in China.

The order comprises seven 777-300ERs and 10 747-8 freighters, the airline said in a Hong Kong stock exchange statement today. The carrier, which also took options for another 14 747 freighters, received ''significant price concessions,'' it added.


Source: HKSE Filing via Bloomberg

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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:48 am

Interesting that Boeing only has two announcements scheduled.
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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:53 am

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 2):
No the timing of these was not co-incidental Wink

Cathay Pacific Order the following

7 x 777-300ER

10 x 747-8F + 14 Options

Excellent job PanAm_DC10, as usual we can count on you to keep us well informed with the latest events.  Smile

This also excellent news for Boeing and in particular for the 748F program. What needs to be confirmed is if Cathay with its 14 option can be converted to the 748i?

Its also nice to see the 77W continuing to do well. I would imagine that the new order is a conversion from previous options.

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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:00 am

Congratulation to Boeing and Cathay. Looks like 77W is doing really well. This is another boost to 748 project. Hope to see CX livery on 748i, not only on 748F.


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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:04 am

Congrats to CX and Boeing,

This just might leave the door open for the 380 as if they wanted pax 78I currently they would have orderd them as part of the package.

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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:17 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 3):
Interesting that Boeing only has two announcements scheduled.

They always allow their customer to announce the order and given the days ahead I believe that with LAN and now CX they are taking the momentum with them into Dubai. Just an opinion.

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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:48 am

Hate to be the pessimist amongst this good news, but Boeing better get these sales into the press before EK announces their blockbuster A350 deal.  Wink
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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:00 am

I´m very happy about the 748F order, as a CX customer I want to fly on a 748I though, and not the 773ER. I will fly another airline to Hongkong then, if they replace the 744 on the FRA route in the future.
Hope CX orders A380 soon, if they don´t want the 748I (as this order somehow indicates).
 
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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:22 am

Quoting NA (Reply 10):

Yeah, I'd like the 748 but the 77W would be much better than the A340 if they phase them out for the 77Ws. I thought it was the other way round - CX said the A380 was too big so they never ordered it. Either they will change their minds or stick to their strategy now of a bigger 77W fleet.
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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Thu Nov 08, 2007 11:41 am

They should have airshows like this here in the U.S. where Boeing and Airbus announce orders. That would be nice.
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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:04 pm

Moderator Note

Quoting Moderators (Thread starter):
We do realise that there will / may be major orders announced given recent speculation and some media reports. Therefore, if an order is announced and listed here, by a New A380 / 747-8 Operator, a Major A350 / B787 Commitment or by a carrier of regional or strategic importance, it should be entitled to it's own seperate thread. We ask that order be posted here with a link to the relevent thread and a link back to this thread

To clarify. The order by Cathay Pacific falls into that category. It's a case of content and quality which we would expect of such a post.

That means a high quality post with a link between the two is allowed. The first member to meet such a requirement can have their Post remain, for example;

We would prefer a better post to note the significance of the order. For example CX's largest ever order, now have 30 firm 77Ws on order. Significance of the 748F commitment, impact of not ordering the 748I, what does this mean for their VLA requirement.

What impact on DragonAir, if any and their cross shareholdings in mainland China carriers, if any.

Add a link to the Cathay Site and inter link with this official Dubai thread so that they both link into each other. You can post. It's not who is first but who provides the best content for the overall membership of the site to discuss.

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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:20 pm

CX has barely taken delivery of their first three 77Ws with two more due soon, and yet they commit to another seven, so they must feel the model is really going to work well for them.  thumbsup 
 
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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:22 pm

the 748F has proved a winner already, and it seems only logical that CX - who's predicting a rosy future for the cargo market in the area, and already operates a large 742/744 cargo fleet - would order it.

The reason CX hasn't made a noise about a VLA order (A380 or 748) is that they're not interested in them ...so far.
They're sticking to the 77W in larger numbers, to improve flights frequency.

It's no real secret that CX aims at the business/first traveller and that's where their profit comes from, and the 77W fits that strategy just fine.

However, I, for one, don't believe that a major airline in the heart of Asia and its booming pax traffic can do without jumbos of some sort, so I'm curious to know what'll happen when the retirement date of the 744s comes around...
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Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:33 pm

I was hoping to see an order for 748 passenger aircraft when I first saw this on CNBC Europe at 4:00am east coast time. While Cathay clearly is going for frequency over size right now with the 773ER, it wil have to buy a BIG plane for its fleet in the next few years. Four 773ER to LHR & 3 to LAX, just isn't the same as a few A380 or 748 thrown in. While Cathay owns the LAX to HKG route today, LHR to HKG is a very competitive route wit ANZ, Qantas, BA and Virign to compete against.
 
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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:33 pm

Congratulations to both Boeing and Cathay. It seems that my username's relevancy will continue on for quite some time now! I'm curious as to what the 747-8F order does for the possibility of a 747-8 pax order. In my opinion, it increases the likelihood because CX will now have first hand knowledge of aircraft performance etc.
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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:48 pm

Quoting W3ndytj4n (Reply 5):
Hope to see CX livery on 748i, not only on 748F.

Maybe they will convert some of their 14 options into orders for the 748I.
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Thu Nov 08, 2007 1:51 pm

Good for CX and the new 77ws. Imagine if they had ordered them 3 years ago..... they could have a fleet of 70 by now.

Of course its nice to see the 748F orders, the 747 will always be the Queen of Cargo. But I think Cathay Pacific should order 25 A380s with 25 options. China has alot of people and if CX cant fill them, the they can panit some A380s in Dragoinair Livery. You know they can fill seats from PKG/PVG/HKG, and to all other major destinations in asia.
Its a question of prestige: CX needs to have the most luxurious widebodies if it wants to keep winning best airline status.

But its a tough call becuse with all those freighters maybe they should have one common pilot pool for both 748i and 748F.

I would choose the A380.
 
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Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:04 pm

A riskless order to facilitate growth. Good deal for Boeing.

ordering the 777-300Er and 747-8F also sends a clear signal about the CX being interested in the 747-8i.

I think Cathay made clear they' ll wait for a new a380 adding range or capasity or both.
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Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:14 pm

Quoting Columba (Reply 18):
Maybe they will convert some of their 14 options into orders for the 748I.

Thats indeed possible. Its even possible the decision has been basically made already internally and CX ist just delaying the announcement to have time. With 14 options they can still wait 2 years before they say "we´re taking the 748I".
 
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Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:19 pm

Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 16):
Cathay clearly is going for frequency over size right now with the 773ER

With 30 773ERs on order these jets will not only be for fleet growth. So what will they replace? The A343s and A346s, the 772s and maybe the 773(A)s seem to be the most likely candidates. That they just added secondhand 744s indicates that the 744 is not what the 773ERs will replace, at least not in the next 5 years or so.
 
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Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:46 pm

Excellent news and a definate step into the future for CX.

The 77Ws at the moment are not for replacing the 772As or the 773s which will stay in the fleet for the forseeable future. The priority on the passenger side is replacing the three A346s, followed shortly by the A340-300s which will all be gone by around 2014. I am sure by then the 772s will probably have gone too although this has never been quoted anywhere.
 
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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Thu Nov 08, 2007 2:47 pm

While I'll concede GE is the only engine choices for these particular aircraft, but the significance of GE making some in-roads into a traditionally RR customer's fleet, can not be discounted.

Good day for Boeing, the 747 and 777 programs GE engines and Cathy Pacific! I fully expect them to take the 777-200LRF sometime in the near future as well.
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Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:20 pm

Congrats to CX and Boeing. I look forward to seeing more of Boeing's announcements this coming week!!

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Thu Nov 08, 2007 3:38 pm

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 13):
Add a link to the Cathay Site and inter link with this official Dubai thread so that they both link into each other. You can post. It's not who is first but who provides the best content for the overall membership of the site to discuss.

No one took us up on the offer so please refer to the following thread as Cathay definately warrants it's own discussion Cathay Pacific Order 7 X 773ER & 10 X 747-8F

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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Thu Nov 08, 2007 4:11 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 3):
Interesting that Boeing only has two announcements scheduled.

Well the airshow runs until the 15th and Boeign has scheduled events unitl the 13th so if they need to schedule further announcements they have two more day to play with.
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Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:06 pm

On the turkish aviation thread there are news about pegasus announcing additional 738's, I will try to find a link to it.
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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Thu Nov 08, 2007 9:08 pm

Here is the link, to the Pegasus order for 738's.

http://active.boeing.com/commercial/orders/index.cfm
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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Thu Nov 08, 2007 10:57 pm

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 31):
Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 35):
No, let him continue to fly his inferior (to the B-777) A-330.

I believe he flies the A346.

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Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:46 am

Quoting OldAeroGuy (Reply 31):
I believe he flies the A346.

In all liklihood he flies the lot. For the majority of Airbus crew in CX, they are simply that. They fly all Airbus types. Some based crews are qualified for A340 only, and new joiners to the Airbus fleet are normally A330-only for a while until they gain more experience on-type and start flying the A340 also.
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:22 am

Quoting WINGS (Reply 4):

Excellent job PanAm_DC10, as usual we can count on you to keep us well informed with the latest events.

Yes PanAm, thank you as always!

I'll be curious as to other 748F/I orders!  hyper 
Partially as I'd like to hire back some structural consultants currently working that program!  hissyfit 

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 27):

Well the airshow runs until the 15th and Boeign has scheduled events unitl the 13th so if they need to schedule further announcements they have two more day to play with.

Can anyone inform on current Boeing sales campaigns? In particular with middle-east/Asian operators who would be likely to announce at this event?

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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:24 am

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 3):
Interesting that Boeing only has two announcements scheduled.

To clarify, they have 5. An update of their media site now shows a joint press conference with Royal Jet.

http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2007/q4/071105a_nr.html

A link to the Royal Jet Homepage and their media site indicates something in the offing with 4 of their BBJs on Static Display and expansion plans to be announced.

http://www.royaljetgroup.com/en/

This one looks interesting.

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Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:34 am

What really is amazing how well CX manages to integrate 3 engine producers into their operations. RR PW and GE all receive MX by CX's HAECO facility and they have no problems operating the wide range of engine types in a profitable and successful manner.

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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:44 am

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 36):
To clarify, they have 5. An update of their media site now shows a joint press conference with Royal Jet.

After adding the Royal Jet announcement, I can count only 3; the rest just seems to be briefings about various topics, but no order announcements:

1 on sunday (my guess QR will finally announce they have ordered 30 787s)

2 on monday (one with Royal jet, the other unannounced)

Or am I missing something?

Where can we find the equivalent outlook to events from Airbus, because I have been hearing they had up to 4 announcements a day planned???
 
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Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:52 am

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Reply 36):
A link to the Royal Jet Homepage and their media site indicates something in the offing with 4 of their BBJs on Static Display and expansion plans to be announced.

Yes, they seem to be doing very well. It's a shame they seem to have gone from painting their BBJs in a very nice scheme, to boring anonymous white. I'm sure I read somewhere they were looking to expand their fleet to something like 15 from its current 4 or 5.

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 38):
Where can we find the equivalent outlook to events from Airbus, because I have been hearing they had up to 4 announcements a day planned???

They've been a bit slow getting their Dubai site up and running.
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Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:52 pm

Here are a list of notable press conferences that may be of some interest - I shall post it in both threads:

Airbus
Sunday
3.00pm - Conference Room A

Monday
10.00am - Conference Room C
11.00am - Conference Room C
3.00pm - Conference Room C

Tuesday
10.00am - Conference Room C
11.30am - Conference Room B
2.00pm - Conference Room C
3.00pm - Conference Room C

Wednesday
11.00am - Conference Room C

Boeing
Sunday
12.00pm - Conference Room A
2.00pm - Conference Room A
3.00pm - Conference Room C

Monday
11.00am - Conference Room A
2.00pm - Conference Room A
2.00pm - Conference Room C

Tuesday
12.00pm - Conference Room A

Emirates
Sunday
12.15pm - Conference Room C

Tuesday
4.30pm - Conference Room B

Wednesday
12.30pm - Conference Room B

There are also several 'booked but anonymous' conferences happening throughout the week.
 
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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:11 pm

From Boeing's website:
http://www.boeing.com/news/releases/2007/q4/071105a_nr.html

Sunday 12:00pm is a "Middle East Market Overview"

Monday 11:00am is an "AEW&C Briefing"
Monday 12:00pm is a joint conference with Royal Jet (large BBJ order expected)

Tuesday 12:00pm is a "Partnering with Regional Aerospace Industry briefing"
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Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:19 pm

Boeing had an early press briefing today.

http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5gOJqBrSoXSS8qBCOiFBzQ7tTM1fA

Quote:
US giant Boeing said Saturday it was hoping to bag orders for up to 150 new aircraft from the Middle East region by the end of 2007.



Quote:
Monson refrained from disclosing details of orders or clients saying that the five-day exhibition -- the world's third largest air show -- will see major announcements.

He said an announcement for one big order for the Boeing 787 Dreamliner will take place during the week, without giving further details.

I believe this big order will be the confirmation of the worst kept secret in aviation history - that QR has ordered 30 787s.

There are suggestions in some reports that EK might order the 787 at the show. However, EK has their main announcement at 12:15 on Sunday, while Boeing has a "Middle East Market Overview" running at the same time. If EK was announcing a big Boeing order, I don't think Boeing would schedule a press conference at the same time. scratchchin 
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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:45 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 41):
Tuesday 12:00pm is a "Partnering with Regional Aerospace Industry briefing"

There have been rumours for some time on Airbus and Boeing talking to Embraer and Bombardier about filling the lower end of the Narrowbody replacement market, say up to 150-160 seats.

It´s a long shot & I have no info but it could be a strategic move by Boeing becoming friends with the more succesfull party in the Regional Aerospace industry.. IMO is more urgent for them then for Airbus (the 737 has reached the end of improvement opportunities & Boeing is feeling pressure form airlines like SW, DL, CO, Ryanair and AA).

Some time ago I did a thread suggesting such a move might be beneficial for both Boeing and Embraer, a "if you can´t beat them, join them" from both sides. Something inbetween the 120 seat E190-195 and Boeing 737-700 (ignoring the slow selling 736), incorporating GTF, new materials, 5 abreast, at least 30% lighter the A319 / 737-700 (like a F100).

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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:09 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 42):
There are suggestions in some reports that EK might order the 787 at the show. However, EK has their main announcement at 12:15 on Sunday, while Boeing has a "Middle East Market Overview" running at the same time. If EK was announcing a big Boeing order, I don't think Boeing would schedule a press conference at the same time.

It's probably the QR order though I wouldn't discount another ME carrier such as SV or EY perhaps from making a 787 announcement. It certainly won't be EK!!!! They're are (IMO) going to order A350s some more A380s and quite possibly some more 777s and 748Fs but we'll see.
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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:32 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 42):
There are suggestions in some reports that EK might order the 787 at the show. However, EK has their main announcement at 12:15 on Sunday, while Boeing has a "Middle East Market Overview" running at the same time. If EK was announcing a big Boeing order, I don't think Boeing would schedule a press conference at the same time.  scratchchin 

Well if Boeing says at the Overview that they plan to bag up to 150 new orders by year's end, having EK announce 100 787s a few minutes later would be apropos...  duck 

Seriously, I too expect QR to finally announce their 787 order. I wonder if they will add to their 777 fleet to tide them over until their A350s come? Al Baker did state that the 777 would become their "standard widebody" until the A350 arrives. They have enough 777s on order to replace their A333/A343/A346 fleet in the near-term, but will they want to wait until 2013 to seriously expand their capacity (as the A350s start coming) or will they want to add some more 77Ls and/or 77Ws to help drive traffic in the interim?

Or perhaps they will add more 77Fs?
 
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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:37 pm

Quoting Keesje (Reply 43):
It´s a long shot & I have no info but it could be a strategic move by Boeing becoming friends with the more succesfull party in the Regional Aerospace industry..

Maybe you are simply mistaking the Regional Aerospace Industry with Regional Jet Manufacturers? To me, the "regional" in regional aerospace industry is geographical - meaning the region of the Middle East - not Embraer and Bombardier. Dubai along with other countries the Middle East have been very open and vocal about how they intend to be big players in the Aerospace Industry - in both manufacturing and leasing.

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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:09 pm

Quoting N1786b (Reply 46):
Dubai along with other countries the Middle East have been very open and vocal about how they intend to be big players in the Aerospace Industry - in both manufacturing and leasing.

That could very well be. Dubai has ambitions (& money) to build up an aerospace cluster: the Dubai Aerospace Enterprise. It plays a role in any contract made with the emirates..
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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:30 pm

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 41):
Monday 12:00pm is a joint conference with Royal Jet (large BBJ order expected)

I hope it is for the BBJ3 (737-900ER). No one has ordered yet.
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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:37 pm

Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 48):
I hope it is for the BBJ3 (737-900ER). No one has ordered yet.

Is this the same plane?

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...rs-to-900er-becoming-first-us.html

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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:44 pm

Quoting Stitch (Reply 45):

Seriously, I too expect QR to finally announce their 787 order. I wonder if they will add to their 777 fleet to tide them over until their A350s come? Al Baker did state that the 777 would become their "standard widebody" until the A350 arrives. They have enough 777s on order to replace their A333/A343/A346 fleet in the near-term, but will they want to wait until 2013 to seriously expand their capacity (as the A350s start coming) or will they want to add some more 77Ls and/or 77Ws to help drive traffic in the interim?

I don't see any reason why QR would replace new and great planes like their A330s or A346 (I think they have no 343s) with T7s, when the A350s will come around in a couple of years.

QR's real expansion won't start before they have their new airport ready.
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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:50 pm

Quoting Thorben (Reply 50):
I don't see any reason why QR would replace new and great planes like their A330s or A346 (I think they have no 343s) with T7s, when the A350s will come around in a couple of years.

Because 1) the T7s are coming now. 2) significant fuel savings over the A330/A340 vs the T7s.

With oil hovering just below $100/bbl they need a more fuel efficient fleet than what they have right now. The A350s are 6 - 8 years from now. Makes all the sense in the world to replace those with the T7s.
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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:17 pm

Quoting Thorben (Reply 50):
I think they have no 343s

QR has one Airbus 340-300 according to Plane Spotters


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RE: Official Dubai 2007 Airshow: Boeing Thread

Sat Nov 10, 2007 7:17 pm

Quoting W3ndytj4n (Reply 52):
Quoting Thorben (Reply 50):
I think they have no 343s

QR has one Airbus 340-300 according to Plane Spotters

The "new" A340 is operated by Qatar Airways Amiri Flight as A7-AAH.

It's the former Mandarin A340, which was first operated by Singapore Airlines and then by China Airlines.

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Qatar Airways Amiri Flight
Hub: Doha | IATA: n/a | ICAO: QAF | details
C/N MSN last update model registration remarks former airline former reg. delivered to
528 0 A340-313(X) A7-AAH Mandarin Airlines B-18851 Singapore Airlines