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Netherlands Coastal Event - Red Level Alert

Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:27 am

I don't recall how close AMS to the coast. Will this alert impact them. It appears that a massive storm surge will be hitting.

http://www.meteoalarm.eu/area.asp?la...Date=&Country=NL&area=44&areaname=

Quote:
Extreme high tide due to stormsurge expected Friday night

This appears huge. It is impacting the UK as well. Thames river apparently has been closed off. Some reports suggest a tidal wave of 3 meters.

[Edited 2007-11-08 17:28:10]
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RE: Netherlands Coastal Event - Red Level Alert

Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:35 am

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RE: Netherlands Coastal Event - Red Level Alert

Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:36 am

Considering much of the country is below sea level, this could potentially be a huge problem. I recall seeing something on the Discovery channel about a damming system of sorts, but will it help much? Anybody know?
 
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RE: Netherlands Coastal Event - Red Level Alert

Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:35 am

We're stil alive and kicking  Cool.

The combination of a strong wind from the northwest and high tides caused watches to be mounted over the whole lenght of the coast and all dams closed, just in case.

AMS is close to the sea but half of the Dutch cities are, too.

This wind direction is not very good for the runways as there's not one (out of 5) thar runs from N to W. They've been using RWY27 for landing and RWY36 for take-off.

It did cause some delays for KLM, especially in the Fokker fleet.
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RE: Netherlands Coastal Event - Red Level Alert

Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:21 am

Looks like southern Norway and Denmark are getting the worst winds today. Must be causing quite some disruption is SK's ops. Oh how i wish i was at CPH now, must be fun Big grin
 
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RE: Netherlands Coastal Event - Red Level Alert

Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:06 pm

I'm flying tonight from Ams to Lis with KLM, let's see how it goes in terms of delays.

Last night the winds were very strong.
 
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RE: Netherlands Coastal Event - Red Level Alert

Fri Nov 09, 2007 12:37 pm

A friend called me from Portugal saying it was on the news that Heathrow and Schiphol are closed due to the strong winds.

Can anyone confirm this information? According to Schiphol website flights are landing and departuring normally with a few delays.

I think it's again "guessing journalism".....
 
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RE: Netherlands Coastal Event - Red Level Alert

Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:00 pm

Well there's a low pressure storm system of 974mb with Force 9 winds which has just swept across the North sea, so I'd say the concerns were very real. The great floods of 1953 were caused by a high tide and a low pressure system of 968mb tracking over the North Sea, before turning South, which caused a storm surge several meters high to breach defences both in the Netherlands and the UK, killing several thousand people in total. It's over Denmark now and lessening.


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RE: Netherlands Coastal Event - Red Level Alert

Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:02 pm

Quoting TAP1972 (Reply 5):
I'm flying tonight from Ams to Lis with KLM, let's see how it goes in terms of delays.

KL1694 is expected less than 1 hour late so not too bad, if that's your flight.
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RE: Netherlands Coastal Event - Red Level Alert

Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:42 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 1):
Considering much of the country is below sea level, this could potentially be a huge problem. I recall seeing something on the Discovery channel about a damming system of sorts, but will it help much? Anybody know?

Don't worry, this ain't New Orleans. It's gonna take more then a bit of wind to get our feet wet. The wind will affect flights though so expect delays.
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RE: Netherlands Coastal Event - Red Level Alert

Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:19 pm

Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 9):
Don't worry, this ain't New Orleans

And if it does flood I trust you won't start shooting at rescue helicopters Big grin
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Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:29 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 10):
And if it does flood I trust you won't start shooting at rescue helicopters

We don't have guns, but we got cool catapults to sling Gouda at them! Big grin
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RE: Netherlands Coastal Event - Red Level Alert

Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:48 pm

Don't abuse the cheese lol. BTW I went to the AMS website and it mentions possible delays and cancellations but I don't see anything about it being closed to all must be going well.

Not that I smoke but..

Quote:

As of 1 January 2008, a ban on smoking will apply to all public areas in Amsterdam Airport Schiphol's terminal complex. From that date on, smoking will also be prohibited in bars, cafés and restaurants and in airline lounges. A smoking ban was already in force in other parts of the terminal.

How did that go over?
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RE: Netherlands Coastal Event - Red Level Alert

Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:52 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 12):
How did that go over?

We'll know in 2 months. But I think this might get ugly, especially since a lot of people transfer at AMS. Therefor getting outside is not that easy unless you want to go through security twice.
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RE: Netherlands Coastal Event - Red Level Alert

Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:55 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 12):
How did that go over?

I work at AMS and this is the worst news in ages...... At work I don't smoke, but after work we always go for a drink to Rembrandt cafe at AMS and everybody including me smokes there.....  Sad

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RE: Netherlands Coastal Event - Red Level Alert

Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:56 pm

Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 13):
We'll know in 2 months. But I think this might get ugly, especially since a lot of people transfer at AMS. Therefor getting outside is not that easy unless you want to go through security twice.

It's getting off topic now, but why can't they build closed smoking lounges with ventilation like they have at ZRH? Not a huge investement, but with great effect on passenger-satisfaction.
 
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RE: Netherlands Coastal Event - Red Level Alert

Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:01 pm

Quoting TAP1972 (Reply 6):
Can anyone confirm this information? According to Schiphol website flights are landing and departuring normally with a few delays.

Capacity was decreased to 40 movements/hour down from normal 60/movements for normal operations. So some delays, some cancellations but no big deal.

Quoting Indy (Reply 12):
How did that go over?

I'm not exactly sure if I understand your question, but I think you need this answer: since a couple of years, all public areas were non-smoking, but the law provided an exception for bars, cafes and restaurants. From January 1st, countrywide, smoking will be prohibited in bars, cafes and restaurants, so Schiphol will be equally affected.

The only kind of bars that still allow smoking are coffeeshops, those that are allowed to sell soft-drugs. However, there is no coffeeshop at Schiphol  Wink

Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 2):
Considering much of the country is below sea level, this could potentially be a huge problem. I recall seeing something on the Discovery channel about a damming system of sorts, but will it help much? Anybody know?

That damming system works quite fine  Smile Actually, there is no fear at all in the country when there are situations like yesterday. Okay, there was an alert, and the people responsible were ready to take action just in case, but the risk is minimal. With respect to the danger of flooding, there rivers are a bigger threat than the sea. By the way, a large part of the coastline is protected by dunes, instead of dams and dikes.
 
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RE: Netherlands Coastal Event - Red Level Alert

Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:03 pm

Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 9):
It's gonna take more then a bit of wind to get our feet wet.

.....assuming of course that the US Army Corps of Engineers didn't build your levee system  wink .

Quoting Indy (Reply 10):
And if it does flood I trust you won't start shooting at rescue helicopters

Extremely isolated if not at all after Katrina.

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RE: Netherlands Coastal Event - Red Level Alert

Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:06 pm

The storm surge on the east coast of the UK was a worry at first,but thankfully was not as strong as 1st thought,some flooding in some parts but our sea defences kept it from coming onto land,if it didn't i hate to think of the devastation it would of done. How long will it be before we get another one,who knows.

Yesterday afternoon around 4pm in London,there was a tornado with sudden increase of strong winds and heavy rain that only lasted for 3 minutes.

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RE: Netherlands Coastal Event - Red Level Alert

Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:07 pm

I saw this on the news earlier, though the report didn't go into what's causing these tidal surges. I'm guessing it's nothing seismic since I'd imagine that'd be the primary news event. So is it just a massive storm in the North Sea?

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RE: Netherlands Coastal Event - Red Level Alert

Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:11 pm

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 15):
It's getting off topic now, but why can't they build closed smoking lounges with ventilation like they have at ZRH? Not a huge investement, but with great effect on passenger-satisfaction.

Because we have a police state here with the government dictating everything you should or shouldn't do.
 
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RE: Netherlands Coastal Event - Red Level Alert

Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:24 pm

Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 15):
It's getting off topic now, but why can't they build closed smoking lounges with ventilation like they have at ZRH? Not a huge investement, but with great effect on passenger-satisfaction.



Quoting KL911 (Reply 20):
Because we have a police state here with the government dictating everything you should or shouldn't do

A nonsense argument, especially related to this question: by the new law, Schiphol is well allowed to build a smokers-aquarium. The law only says that no employee may be exposed to tobacco smoke, and that implies a smoking ban. Putting all smokers in a closed ventilated room is a legal solution - just like there are these smokers' rooms in many office buildings. Even government buildings have smoking rooms for their employees, and IIRC the town hall in Nijmegen has a smokers' aquarium.

I expect that Schiphol has already ordered a couple of these lounges.
 
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RE: Netherlands Coastal Event - Red Level Alert

Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:32 pm

Quoting Tom in NO (Reply 17):
Extremely isolated if not at all after Katrina.

Tom at MSY

I know Tom. It was just a poor attempt at humor  Smile Is everything pretty much back in order in New Orleans?

Quoting Joost (Reply 16):
The only kind of bars that still allow smoking are coffeeshops, those that are allowed to sell soft-drugs. However, there is no coffeeshop at Schiphol Wink

And where would one find such a coffee shop? lol. BTW how big of a surge can the local levees handle?
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RE: Netherlands Coastal Event - Red Level Alert

Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:44 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 22):

And where would one find such a coffee shop?

Roughly in every city with a population over 25.000. Per April 1, 2007, Amsterdam had 234 registred coffeeshops. Countrywide, there are roughly 700 coffeeshops.

The governments are decreasing the number slowly. Especially the current national government, that is more conservative than the previous ones, is pushing the removal of coffeeshops that are too close to schools. Considering the vast amount of schools everywhere in the country, many coffeeshops are facing closure.

Quoting Indy (Reply 22):
BTW how big of a surge can the local levees handle?

It's not easy to say, as it depends on the location. The law states, however, that for the coastal protection Randstad area, the height must be such, that it can withstand a flood that statistically occurs once in 10.000 year.

There is of course nothing as non-reliable as statistics. For example, the inner dikes in the east are designed to a "flood once in 2500 year"-height, but that height was reached both in 1993 and 1995 - but statistically still a change of 1/2500 years.
 
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RE: Netherlands Coastal Event - Red Level Alert

Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:59 pm

This is a Civil Aviation thread !!!

What has a big storm to do with this ???

It became way off-topic with smoking areas and police state e.a.

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RE: Netherlands Coastal Event - Red Level Alert

Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:13 pm

I was at AMS this afternoon: there were no delays worth mentioning. It was a little windy and cold, but besides that, nah... Likely the first thing to flood at AMS would be the railway tunnel  Smile
 
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RE: Netherlands Coastal Event - Red Level Alert

Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:16 pm

Quoting MH017 (Reply 24):
This is a Civil Aviation thread !!!

It had to do with possible service disruptions. Maybe I shouldn't have quoted the smoking thing I found on the AMS site while looking for information on delays/cancellations. I thought it was an interesting side note.
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