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WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 1:55 am

This is my first post to a.net. (Thank you! Please, hold the applause...)

How does Southwest determine which routes use the -500's with twelve fewer seats than the -300's and the -700's? Logic says they would put these planes on smaller routes. But after checking flightaware.com, I noticed that all the -500's are on very old routes. (Those that have been around from approx. 1990.)

Does Southwest leave their -500's on their original routes, and not worry about the twelve extra seats? Do they truly spend any time deciding which routes get the -300, -500, or -700?

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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:10 am

Quoting BooDog (Thread starter):
But after checking flightaware.com, I noticed that all the -500's are on very old routes.

Not 100% sure...I flew a 735 last Sunday MCI-DAL, and that's a fairly new route in the scheme of things thanks to Wright. I am not completely sure how they decide...I have flown them on a lot of different routes, out of a lot of different cities...MCI, MDW, STL, DAL, SAT, BHM, BNA...
 
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:11 am

I'm just guessing, but probably the less popular, yet still very profitable, routes like JAX-IND or MHT-PHX. But, IND-JAX could be a little bit of a waste of the range the 735 has, but there are the newer 736s for that. Maybe the older routes are less popular-which ones are you talking about?
 
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:14 am

Quoting BAKJet (Reply 2):
but there are the newer 736s for that.

You do know WN has no 736's, right?
 
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:18 am

You do know WN has no 736s, right?

Oh, no i didn't. sorry...  blush 
 
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:23 am

Quoting BAKJet (Reply 4):
You do know WN has no 736s, right?

Oh, no i didn't. sorry...

I have noticed this a few other threads, and noticed you are a new member, but to quote someone else so it looks like the above, you highlight what you want to quote, and then click "Selected Text Quoted" on the upper right hand side of every post. Just trying to help out a new member!!
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:24 am

Quoting SW733 (Reply 1):
I flew a 735 last Sunday MCI-DAL

I did that too, except not on a Sunday. The plane was completely full.
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:33 am

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 6):
I did that too, except not on a Sunday. The plane was completely full.

Yeah it was packed Sunday. I'm flying DAL-MCI tomorrow, but it looks to be on a 733.

Quoting BAKJet (Reply 4):
Oh, no i didn't. sorry...  

No worries, mate. No need to say you're sorry. Never be sorry for not knowing something...I see this website as an educational one. If someone is mad or critical of you not knowing something, the hell with them.
 
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:44 am

In order to determine where the -500s go, we have this big dart board, and start pitching the 25 darts about 6:00 pm each night to see where the aircraft will end up....  Wink

Seriously, we have dedicated "lines" on the flow chart for the -500s, and they usually stay on those, wthin Texas or close to it ,or the central time zone. A few still escape onto other city-pairs, but we try and corral them back onto their lines...
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:46 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
Seriously, we have dedicated "lines" on the flow chart for the -500s, and they usually stay on those, wthin Texas or close to it ,or the central time zone. A few still escape onto other city-pairs, but we try and corral them back onto their lines...

So when are they gone from the fleet? There are so few left, I imagine they can't have much WN life left in them. Please send them SW's way, we need new 737's!  Wink
 
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:58 am

I used to fly the last flight of the day STL-MDW quite frequently and the 735 was common. This was back when that flight used to originate in HOU.

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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:01 am

Quoting SW733 (Reply 9):
So when are they gone from the fleet? There are so few left, I imagine they can't have much WN life left in them.

Beats me. We still have the same 25 in the fleet. The first -300 from Nov 1984 is still flying, and seeing as the first -500 didn't get here til 1989 or so, I figure they'll be here at least another 5 years before the oldest start to be retired...
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 3:05 am

Quoting Boston92 (Reply 5):
I have noticed this a few other threads, and noticed you are a new member, but to quote someone else so it looks like the above, you highlight what you want to quote, and then click "Selected Text Quoted" on the upper right hand side of every post. Just trying to help out a new member!!

Thanks,I've been wondereing about that.  blush 
 
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:57 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
Seriously, we have dedicated "lines" on the flow chart for the -500s, and they usually stay on those, wthin Texas or close to it ,or the central time zone. A few still escape onto other city-pairs, but we try and corral them back onto their lines...

Thanks for the answer.
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:12 pm

Quoting BAKJet (Reply 2):
I'm just guessing, but probably the less popular, yet still very profitable, routes like JAX-IND or MHT-PHX.

MHT-PHX. Does the 735 have that range. That is 5hr 3min westbound. Besides, on flightaware, it says it has a 737 on that route. That would probably be to long.
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:17 pm

Quoting BooDog (Thread starter):
This is my first post to a.net. (Thank you! Please, hold the applause...)

Welcome to a.net!

I'd imagine the 500s probably stay pretty close to Texas as the -200s did before they were retired. It's a small enough subfleet anyway.
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:21 pm

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 14):
Besides, on flightaware, it says it has a 737 on that route

"737" on Flightaware refers to a 737-700. If the route were operated by a 737-500, you'd see "735."

A 737-500 could do MHT-PHX at most times of year, but to my knowledge WN never operates them on routes that long. Like OPNLguy said, they seem to stay within or close to Texas.
 
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 2:27 pm

Quoting Seabosdca (Reply 16):
but to my knowledge WN never operates them on routes that long. Like OPNLguy said, they seem to stay within or close to Texas.

I wouldn't say "never"--and I did say that some of the -500s "escape" their normal footprint once in awhile...  Wink
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 4:00 pm

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 14):
MHT-PHX. Does the 735 have that range. That is 5hr 3min westbound. Besides, on flightaware, it says it has a 737 on that route. That would probably be to long.

Flight 1917 MHT-PHX is on a 73G before continuing on to SAN and terminating in SFO. So I think the 73G's do the route the most.
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:47 pm

I've noticed the same thing with United: their use of 735/733 is sporatic, and often interchangable. I don't see any rhyme or reason to the routes/times of day where a 735 is used. We don't see them at dulles anymore, though.
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:50 pm

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 17):
I wouldn't say "never"--and I did say that some of the -500s "escape" their normal footprint once in awhile... Wink

Yup, my mom had one from LAS-ELP a couple of weeks back (not that she knew it, but Flight Aware gave away the aircraft type  Wink ). However, ELP-anywhere else in Texas it is not uncommon to get a 735 on WN...
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:51 pm

Forgive me folks if this is a stupid question... I know that WN started to put winglets on thier 300's are there any plans to do the same for the 500's
 
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:54 pm

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 11):
The first -300 from Nov 1984 is still flying

Do you happen to know how many hours and cycles she has accumulated?
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:05 pm

Quoting BooDog (Thread starter):
How does Southwest determine which routes use the -500's with twelve fewer seats than the -300's and the -700's?

Just a small correction. 735 has 122 733/7 have 137 so 15 fewer. Nit picking.. I used to hate getting a -300 on our PVD PHX rte every so often.
 
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:20 pm

Are the ex-Ford 73G's still in the 128 seat configuration?
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:31 pm

Quoting HUbsnotDubs (Reply 21):
Forgive me folks if this is a stupid question... I know that WN started to put winglets on thier 300's are there any plans to do the same for the 500's

No such thing as a "stupid question" on a.net. Besides, your question is well founded, anything but "stupid". In reference to you question, I was looking on airfleets.net and going by the numbers they have, it looks like WN has 25 of the 735 and 194 of the 733. I imagine that since WN has such a large 733 fleet, it would make economical sense to put winglets on. However, since there are so few 735 aircraft in the WN fleet, I really don't see them willing to pay the money for planes that as OPNLguy in reply 11 says will probably be gone in 5 years or so anyways. Besides, don't they need to redesign the winglets for each of the different 737 models? Or can 733 winglets go on 735 aircraft?
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:46 pm

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 25):
Besides, don't they need to redesign the winglets for each of the different 737 models? Or can 733 winglets go on 735 aircraft?

A 735 is merely a shortened version of the 733, so yes a winglet designed for a 733 could conceivably be used on a 735.

http://www.aviationpartnersboeing.com/products/737-300.html
The Aviation Partners - Boeing website still lists the winglet design for a 735 is still as under development.

In a similar fashion, the winglet design for the 73G/738 is identical.
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:52 pm

This got me thinking....

Does Southwest have any pilot bases that are exclusively -700?

Does the -300 and the -500 have the same pilot-type rating? If not, where are the -500 pilots based?
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:57 pm

I had one a couple about two years ago on a SEA-PHX flight. Was like a little rocket taking off from Seattle.... nice flight...

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
In order to determine where the -500s go, we have this big dart board, and start pitching the 25 darts about 6:00 pm each night to see where the aircraft will end up....

So pretty much the same method you use to determine the comedic flight attendants?
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 7:58 pm

We see WN735s out here at MAF all the time, as well as most of the older 733s. Before I became a ramper for MQ out here, I was a fueler and was always sort of relieved when we had a -500 pull up because they all seemed to have updated digital underwing fuel quantity gauges. You couldn't say the same for the older -300s most of the time as many of them had the older analog "rollers" that would fluctuate anywhere from 200 to 500 lbs (on a good day) after fueling. And don't get me started on all the dripsticks. I certainly don't miss many aspects of being a fuel guy.

It's always nice to see old N300SW, though, with all her patches.
 
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:13 pm

Quoting BooDog (Reply 27):

i believe that its all one type rating
 
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:37 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 18):
Flight 1917 MHT-PHX is on a 73G before continuing on to SAN and terminating in SFO. So I think the 73G's do the route the most.

If there is any type of decent payload they would have to use a 73G on that route because of range issues on the -300.

Quoting BooDog (Reply 27):
Does Southwest have any pilot bases that are exclusively -700?

No pilot bases, however, SNA is generally an all -700 city.

Quoting RamperMAF (Reply 29):
You couldn't say the same for the older -300s most of the time as many of them had the older analog "rollers" that would fluctuate anywhere from 200 to 500 lbs (on a good day) after fueling. And don't get me started on all the dripsticks.

Lol, that's funny.
 
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:35 pm

Quoting PHLBOS (Reply 26):
A 735 is merely a shortened version of the 733, so yes a winglet designed for a 733 could conceivably be used on a 735.

http://www.aviationpartnersboeing.com/products/737-300.html
The Aviation Partners - Boeing website still lists the winglet design for a 735 is still as under development.

The API winglet for the 737-500 is now certified (perhaps they'll update their website soon). There are at least 2 wingletted -500s flying at CO.

Quoting BooDog (Reply 27):
This got me thinking....

Does Southwest have any pilot bases that are exclusively -700?

Does the -300 and the -500 have the same pilot-type rating? If not, where are the -500 pilots based?

All 737s have the same type rating. Though I've never flown a -200, I'd be legal (though not insurable without additional training) to do so.
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 9:58 pm

Quoting BooDog (Reply 27):
Does Southwest have any pilot bases that are exclusively -700?

Does the -300 and the -500 have the same pilot-type rating? If not, where are the -500 pilots based?

In the waning days of the -200, crews for them were only out of a couple, and then only a single base. Since they're gone, crews from any base can fly any 733/735/737 we have...

Quoting Cactus739 (Reply 28):
So pretty much the same method you use to determine the comedic flight attendants?

Nah, they're everywhere...
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:18 pm

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 31):
...SNA is generally an all -700 city.

While that is true, although not by choice. SNA is pretty restricted in terms of noise levels and the 73G's level is pretty low compared to its counterparts of the 733 and 735. On a side note, those steep take-offs out of SNA are always awesome!  bouncy 
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:42 pm

Quoting FRAspotter (Reply 25):
No such thing as a "stupid question" on a.net.

Yes there is: "When will NW retire their DC-9's?"  Wink
Anyways...does anybody know how many of WN's 733's have been wingletted?


Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 32):
All 737s have the same type rating. Though I've never flown a -200, I'd be legal (though not insurable without additional training) to do so.

I know that WN didn't opt for the "hybrid glass cockpit" on their 733's due to pilot commonality with the 732's. But WN's 737's have an all-glass cockpit, unlike the all-analog one on WN 733's/735's. Due to that, can WN (or any other airline, such as UA or CO) pilots fly interchangeably between a 733/735 and a 737-700, despite the significantly different cockpits?

Quoting BooDog (Reply 27):
Does the -300 and the -500 have the same pilot-type rating?

Yes, but I don't know about the 733/735 and the 737-700 as the 737NG has a glass cockpit, compared to the analog cockpit on the 737 classics.

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 31):
however, SNA is generally an all -700 city.

At SNA, I believe the -700 is more predominantly used due to its lower noise levels and better performance. IIRC, 737NG's do not have to cut the thrust way back after crossing the highway like most other planes due to them being quiet enough - correct me if I'm wrong. Not to mention that the -700 simply has better performance, making it better suited to the required steep climbout and the short 5700ft. runway.

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 11):
We still have the same 25 in the fleet. The first -300 from Nov 1984 is still flying, and seeing as the first -500 didn't get here til 1989 or so, I figure they'll be here at least another 5 years before the oldest start to be retired...

Southwest's 25 737-500's were all delivered between 1990 and 1992, according to airfleets.net. I agree with you, I'd think they'd be here for more than 5 years since their oldest -300 (N300SW), as well as many other -300's, are 21-22 years old, some being about 23. What I find interesting is that the -300's cover a 15 year span, with the newest ones being delivered in 1999. Does anybody know if WN has any retirement plans for the old -300's (the ones delievered in the mid-80's)? I'm assuming the newer -300's are here to stay for quite a while. By the way, OPNLguy, thanks for all the great information you've been providing us in this thread - very valuable contributor to a.net.
 
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:26 pm

Why did SW purchase the -500? At the time I can't think of any routes that they needed the little extra range on. Selling the extra seats once a day or so should have paid for the -300s? United and Continental needed the range of the -500 and/or performance out of Denver.
 
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:09 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 31):
SNA is generally an all -700 city.

I suspect BUR will also be at some point--they're immune from what we call "RWY 33-itis" that affects the 733s and 735s.

Quoting 747fan (Reply 35):
But WN's 737's have an all-glass cockpit, unlike the all-analog one on WN 733's/735's. Due to that, can WN (or any other airline, such as UA or CO) pilots fly interchangeably between a 733/735 and a 737-700, despite the significantly different cockpits?

We flew interchangeably between all 4 models... While the -700 is a glass cockpit, our software is set-up where it more resembles the round gauges that are on the older aircraft. With the 732s gone, the 733s and 735s will at some point get a glass retrofit as part of the upgrade to full RNP capability..

Quoting 747fan (Reply 35):
Does anybody know if WN has any retirement plans for the old -300's (the ones delievered in the mid-80's)?

Not that I've heard firmed up, but N300SW, N301SW, and N302SW would be the first to go, based on age.

Quoting 747fan (Reply 35):
I'm assuming the newer -300's are here to stay for quite a while. By the way,

Those are the ones (96, I think) that are getting the winglet mods. They're the newest, and will have more remaining in-service time to generate a return-on-investment (ROI). The others won't get them. Wouldn't make much sense to spend big bucks to put winglets on N300SW and then turn around and retire it 1, 2, or 3 years later--no time for a "payback."

Quoting 747fan (Reply 35):
OPNLguy, thanks for all the great information you've been providing us in this thread - very valuable contributor to a.net.

Thanks.. Happy to do so...
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:17 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 11):
The first -300 from Nov 1984 is still flying

Wasn't this either the first or the second customer -300 delivered? I seem to recall that there was some contention as to whether it was WN or US Airways that was the first to place the -300's in revenue service, but as I recall WN was the launch customer  Smile
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:33 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 38):
WN or US Airways

I think that would have been Piedmont  Smile
 
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:48 am

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 38):
Wasn't this either the first or the second customer -300 delivered? I seem to recall that there was some contention as to whether it was WN or US Airways that was the first to place the -300's in revenue service, but as I recall WN was the launch customer

There's a picture out in the hall with aircraft in both airline's paint schemes, and I'll see if I can get a registration number off theirs.

As best as I can recall, one airline was first to take a delivery, and the other was first to put it into revenue service. I don't recall who did what or when, not it's important for other than some kind of bragging rights... AFAIC, BFD...  Wink
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:53 am

Quoting SW733 (Reply 7):
I see this website as an educational one.

.......What's that thread in the non-av section, "who would you bang"?  Wink

Quoting RamperMAF (Reply 29):
old N300SW

I don't think I've seen that ship with my own two eyes..

Quoting FlyHoss (Reply 32):
There are at least 2 wingletted -500s flying at CO.

Are there any pics in the database?

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 38):
I seem to recall that there was some contention as to whether it was WN or US Airways that was the first to place the -300's in revenue service, but as I recall WN was the launch customer Smile

I thought it was United...
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:58 am

Quoting LASOctoberB6 (Reply 41):
I thought it was United...

Which one? Launch customer? First to be delivered? First to fly in revenue service?  spin 

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RE: WN And 737-500's

Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:55 am

Quoting 717-200 (Reply 24):
Are the ex-Ford 73G's still in the 128 seat configuration?

Yep, both until sometime in 1Q2008. All 4 will get wingletted, N271LV painted, and all 4 get HUDs, last I heard...

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 40):
There's a picture out in the hall with aircraft in both airline's paint schemes, and I'll see if I can get a registration number off theirs.

The pictures get moved every so often, and it's not where it was, and is now somewhere else at HDQ. Eventually, I may find it again...  Wink
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:53 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
Seriously, we have dedicated "lines" on the flow chart for the -500s, and they usually stay on those, wthin Texas or close to it ,or the central time zone. A few still escape onto other city-pairs, but we try and corral them back onto their lines...

After looking at www.flightaware.com on their live traking for 735's, today's Flt. 84 goes OAK-ONT-PHX-MCI. Except that all of the others either were flying inside Texas or they begin or are ending there day somewhere in Texas. I do believe as a personal thought that the 735's are mostly out of Texas. Does anybody know what the range of a 735 is?
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:13 am

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 44):
Does anybody know what the range of a 735 is?

I don't know if WN's 735's have the standard MTOW or the higher one, I think they have the lower MTOW; maybe someone can provide that info. What I do know is that standard MTOW 737-500's have a range of about 1500 nm., while the higher MTOW 735's have a range of about 2400 nm.; these ranges are with max passenger loads. If Southwest has the lower MTOW on these airplanes, than they're good for a flight of about 3 hours in length, such as DAL-OAK/SFO. HOU-OAK or SFO would be pushing it. The higher MTOW 735's are good for transcon's, which WN used to fly with 73G's. They still do fly some 4-5 hour flights however, such as IND and SDF-LAS/PHX and BNA-LAX.
 
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:06 am

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
Seriously, we have dedicated "lines" on the flow chart for the -500s, and they usually stay on those, wthin Texas or close to it ,or the central time zone. A few still escape onto other city-pairs, but we try and corral them back onto their lines...

I've got the giggles thinking about dispatchers as "airplane wranglers". There's a really good TV commercial in that somewhere.

Quoting 747fan (Reply 35):
But WN's 737's have an all-glass cockpit, unlike the all-analog one on WN 733's/735's. Due to that, can WN (or any other airline, such as UA or CO) pilots fly interchangeably between a 733/735 and a 737-700, despite the significantly different cockpits?

There's (at least) two display modes for the 737NG glass cockpit. One mimics the look and layout of the analog gauges in the 737-Classics. This was a major requirement during the development of the NG to maintain commonality with the older 737's. Operators that don't use both, or maintain separate pilot pools, use the "normal" glass cockpit display mode that looks like pretty much every other glass cockpit.

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RE: WN And 737-500's

Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:27 am

Quoting 747fan (Reply 45):
I don't know if WN's 735's have the standard MTOW or the higher one, I think they have the lower MTOW; maybe someone can provide that info.

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Quoting 747fan (Reply 45):
The higher MTOW 735's are good for transcon's, which WN used to fly with 73G's. They still do fly some 4-5 hour flights however, such as IND and SDF-LAS/PHX and BNA-LAX.

Sometimes, it's not just a matter of range, or takeoff weight at the departure point, or landing weight at the destination.

A couple of winter's ago, one of our equipment routing folks asked if he could replace the -700 assigned to my PHL-LAX flight with a -300. The flight was only half-full. No problem, right?

Problem. The problem was that, even with a half payload, the winds aloft were so strong that day that I got a "Need MBF" error, i.e. "need more burnable fuel." Between the fuel needed to get PHL-LAX, the :45 minute FAR reserve, the fuel for the alternate and some holding fuel, the fuel tanks on the -300 couldn't carry it all. The only way I could have made it on this aircraft was if the -300 had "drop tanks" to carry the extra gas we needed. As that was not doable for obvious reasons, we stuck with the -700 originally assigned, and took of advantage of its larger fuel capacity.
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:39 am

I can tell you, in the previous month I have worked a -500 on....

Dallas-Austin
Austin-Phoenix

Dallas-Oklahoma City
Oklahoma City-Las Vegas

Saint Louis-Kansas City
Kansas City-Oklahoma City
Oklahoma City-Houston
Houston-Midland
Midland-Dallas

San Antonio-Houston
Houston-Saint Louis
Saint Louis-Chicago
Chicago-Saint Louis
Saint Louis-Little Rock
Little Rock-Dallas

For the rest of the month I am scheduled to work a -500 on....

Chicago-Saint Louis
Saint Louis-Chicago
Chicago-Cleveland

Corpus Christi-Houston
Houston-Dallas
Dallas-Lubbock
Lubbock-Dallas

Dallas-Houston
Houston-Corpus Christi
Corpus Christi-Houston
Houston-Dallas
Dallas-New Orleans
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RE: WN And 737-500's

Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:09 am

SAN gets a daily -500 route or two about every other schedule change or so. Just a couple months ago we had one -500 RON every night.
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