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Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:37 pm

Per the 8-K filed on November 6th:

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On November 2, 2007, the Company entered into an agreement for the purchase of four MD-88 aircraft. The aircraft are expected in service before the end of second quarter 2008. The seller has agreed to provide financing. The closings are subject to customary conditions.

Is a new destination city in the works or are these aircraft going to be used to "connect the dots" between cities like Lansing currently without service to Phoenix and Fort Lauderdale? I believe it's the latter but am interested in what you think.
 
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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:48 pm

Are these coming from Aeromexico, Onur Air, Aerolineas, Midwest or whom?
 
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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Fri Nov 09, 2007 5:55 pm

Quoting National757 (Thread starter):
Is a new destination city in the works or are these aircraft going to be used to "connect the dots" between cities like Lansing currently without service to Phoenix and Fort Lauderdale?

Personally I think G4 should concentrate on getting established in IWA and FLL before opening a new base. Maybe the odd route not to a base, like BLI-Laughlin or RFD-Gulfport but mainly focus on 'connecting the dots'
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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Fri Nov 09, 2007 6:16 pm

Great airline. Wonderful business plan. Customer service at the top of their list. Flight attendants smile. Crews dress professionally. They don't run out of "buy on board." Small airports. Excellent fares. Very clean equipment. Comfortable seats.............I could go on and on!

Allegiant focuses on everything that makes an airline successful while keeping customers happy.

If you haven't flown with them, do it! You will be impressed! It's alot like flying used to be.
 
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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:06 pm

Quoting Earlj (Reply 3):
Great airline. Wonderful business plan. Customer service at the top of their list. Flight attendants smile. Crews dress professionally. They don't run out of "buy on board." Small airports. Excellent fares. Very clean equipment. Comfortable seats.............I could go on and on!

Allegiant focuses on everything that makes an airline successful while keeping customers happy.

If you haven't flown with them, do it! You will be impressed! It's alot like flying used to be.

Um, I hate to bust your bubble, but on my last Allegiant flight, Allegiant had ANYTHING but customer service on their mind. it's all about $$:

This flight attendant got very crabby and yelled at pax for "talking" while she was trying to count.

They ran out of half the soft drinks.

Small airports are a plus, I do agree.

Fares are great, but with the fee going up to $10/bag each way, I will be considering total price.

Plane smelled like jetfuel on the interior, and appeared to have some type of black stuff around the intakes of the inside air.

Seats didn't recline period on my return flight. There wasn't even a button to recline on ANY of the seats.

Also, they managed to lose my bag on a Wednesday outbound flight from Las Vegas. Ended up in Colorado Springs. Filed a report in CID, but her excuse was "we are outsourced, so don't blame us." After 2 days of calling COS (nice gentlmen by the way) finally got it Fed Exed home.

Bag got home, stuff inside was broken, which was packed VERY well. Allegiant refused to pay for any damage to the bag or anything inside broken. Did get the $3 each way I paid for my bag refunded however.

Will be looking elsewhere for my next Vegas trip in January or Feb.
 
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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:14 pm

could they be using these a/c on ABE routes?
 
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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:20 pm

Well, as soon as we have the tail numbers for the new planes we cn let you know where they come from. In the meantime, connecting Mesa and Ft. Lauderdale would make sense as with the Mesa expansion I continue to scratch my head and wonder why there is not an Allegiant Mesa - Ft. Lauderdale flgiht.

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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:24 pm

I must say National757, I am glad to see you think of Lansing  Smile

Quoting National757 (Thread starter):
"connect the dots" between cities like Lansing currently without service to Phoenix and Fort Lauderdale?

I think with 4 new aircraft they might base 2 at FLL and 2 at IWA and start connecting more dots. It seems the PHX service has started off great, so I am sure they will continually add on there.

I think Lansing is in line for FLL service and then IWA service. If they start either, and it is like a Thursday-Sun service, I will defiantly buy a couple of tickets on the first flight.

Customer Service is great and I love that I can go 10 minutes from Aircraft to car. Friendly staff and short waits

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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:43 pm

I honestly *think* the M88s would be for longer stage length flights to increase revenue due to fuel being more expensive. Does anyone know what kind of seating they are going to have? Anything more then the 150 would need to add an FA increasing cost a bit. Would they be something like 170? I *think* they'll be based at LAS and running routes to TYS, LAN, FWA, SBN, etc.

Any other ideas?
 
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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Fri Nov 09, 2007 8:47 pm

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 4):
Will be looking elsewhere for my next Vegas trip in January or Feb.

Or you'll try them again, because we all know that you can have a bad flight and a crabby flight attendant on any airline on any day (and aircraft with dirt around the air vents and the smell of jet fuel when on the ground (because you're at an airport, which often smells like jet fuel)). As to the beverages, I have to say that I'd rather that they give the whole can and NOT worry about a possible run on YooHoo, rather than give me a thimble-size slurp of the beverage I want so that there's "enough for everybody".
 
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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:06 pm

Quoting Wjcandee (Reply 1):
Are these coming from Aeromexico, Onur Air, Aerolineas, Midwest or whom?

I believe these will probably be coming from Delta as they have begun to take some MD-88's out of service. N902DL comes to mind. Midwest has recently added a pair of MD-88s (the ex Air Aruba, Southeast ones), Onur Air has either leased out or given back their MD-88s (now flown in Atlas Jet and Eritrean colors). Aerolineas/Austral are painting theirs, etc.

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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Fri Nov 09, 2007 10:48 pm

So what exactly is the difference between a MD-83 and a MD-88?
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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:05 pm

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 4):
Plane smelled like jetfuel on the interior

Um, I just have a quick ?

Why are you a member of A-Net if the smell of Jet Fuel bothers you??
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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Fri Nov 09, 2007 11:32 pm

Quoting Georgebush (Reply 12):
Why are you a member of A-Net if the smell of Jet Fuel bothers you??

Um, no one wants to feel sufficated or feel half high from the fumes. I wasn't the one complaining, but people around me were.
 
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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Sat Nov 10, 2007 12:02 am

the MD-88 (first flight August 1987) with the JT8D-219s of the MD-83 with an EFIS flightdeck and redesigned cabin interior, with other improvements. It is a upgraded and updated verion of the MD-83. Probably the MD-80 of choice when shopping? I took the info from this site.

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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:02 am

So Allegiant gets four more aircraft added to their fleet right as they drop 6 cities. Makes lots of sense. I guess you might be seeing quite a few new cities poping up around the country. Maybe they should start LAS-SPS like they said they were going to back in 2005.
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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:18 am

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 15):
So Allegiant gets four more aircraft added to their fleet right as they drop 6 cities

What cities are they dropping?
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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:56 am

Quoting A340Spotter (Reply 10):
Onur Air has either leased out or given back their MD-88s (now flown in Atlas Jet and Eritrean colors).

AFAIK, the Atlasjet MD-80 flown in Eritrean colors (TC-AKN) is actually an MD-83, not an -88.
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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:05 am

Quoting Falcon flyer (Reply 17):
AFAIK, the Atlasjet MD-80 flown in Eritrean colors (TC-AKN) is actually an MD-83, not an -88.

Falcon, you are correct. I mistook the AtlasJet ones for the Onur ones when they were actually ex World Focus, etc. The Turks are definitely into the Mad Dogs, but seem to change colors every month with them (not the Onurs though)...

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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Sat Nov 10, 2007 5:38 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 4):
Seats didn't recline period on my return flight. There wasn't even a button to recline on ANY of the seats.

Those are new, pre-reclined seats.

[Edited 2007-11-09 21:42:33]
 
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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:18 am

Yes, you can get a bad flight experiance some times. But, my father and step-mother fly out of LAN to LAS 2 or 3 times a year. They have stopped flying Allegiant. They have had nothing but trouble with them. So now they book their flights thru me and I can get them to LAS close to the same price as G4 out of DTW on a main carrier. And they don't have to pay to have their seats assigned at the time of booking and no $10/each way per bag per person either. By the time you add up all the nickle and diming G4 does to a client. They are better off with going with a major carrier at the same or lower price.

That is why it is smart to use a travel agent. We know these little things that airlines like G4, NK, and the new one Skybus don't tell their clients until after they book with them. ALWAYS check with a travel agent you like and trust.

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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Sat Nov 10, 2007 6:32 am

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 4):
Plane smelled like jetfuel on the interior

Oh my god, how can you not love that smell, I worked on a ramp at PIT and I loved it, I do not care if my brain is dead now that smell is the best. along with the jet exhuast fumes....are you sure you like aviation?
 
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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:09 am

Quoting D328 (Reply 21):
Oh my god, how can you not love that smell, I worked on a ramp at PIT and I loved it, I do not care if my brain is dead now that smell is the best. along with the jet exhuast fumes....are you sure you like aviation?

Dude, did you even read my post?

Quoting Iowaman (Reply 13):
Um, no one wants to feel sufficated or feel half high from the fumes. I wasn't the one complaining, but people around me were.
 
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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:23 am

Quoting D328 (Reply 21):
Oh my god, how can you not love that smell, I worked on a ramp at PIT and I loved it, I do not care if my brain is dead now that smell is the best. along with the jet exhuast fumes....are you sure you like aviation?

Those vapors can actually do much more harm to you than good. I hate the smell of jet fuel, but I LOVE the smell of jet EXHAUST.
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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Sat Nov 10, 2007 10:59 am

Quoting A340Spotter (Reply 10):
I believe these will probably be coming from Delta as they have begun to take some MD-88's out of service. N902DL comes to mind. Midwest has recently added a pair of MD-88s (the ex Air Aruba, Southeast ones), Onur Air has either leased out or given back their MD-88s (now flown in Atlas Jet and Eritrean colors). Aerolineas/Austral are painting theirs, etc.

Don't be so sure. IB seems to be dumping their MD-88s quickly so my money is on them.
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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Sat Nov 10, 2007 1:48 pm

Quoting A340Spotter (Reply 18):
Quoting Falcon flyer (Reply 17):
AFAIK, the Atlasjet MD-80 flown in Eritrean colors (TC-AKN) is actually an MD-83, not an -88.

Falcon, you are correct. I mistook the AtlasJet ones for the Onur ones when they were actually ex World Focus, etc. The Turks are definitely into the Mad Dogs, but seem to change colors every month with them (not the Onurs though)...

JSD

I highly doubt that Onur will part with their Md88s. Those are first time Onur Air planes that they ordered fresh from the factory and with Md83s they make up a nice (and cheap to operate) fleet mix for domestic routes. Now, if they merge with Pegasus and go all 737 , that's a different story.

The ones that you mentioned (TC-AKN) are bastardized former Reno Air aircraft. After the airline went belly up, they were purchased by Freebird Airlines but departed the fleet when the airline wanted to all Airbus. Since then they flew under so many different color schemes that is very hard to keep track of.. including the national flag carrier THY. Worldfocus is known with their shady mx practices, so if I was Allegiant I wouldn't touch these planes with 10 foot stick.
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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:26 pm

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 20):
And they don't have to pay to have their seats assigned at the time of booking

Unless you want a aisle seat on NW, then it's 15 dollars extra.

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 20):
That is why it is smart to use a travel agent

Most travel agents have to charge a booking fee these days since the airlines no longer pay commissions, so that is an extra charge to the passenger also.


Is that fee less than the G4 fee for online booking though?
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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:36 pm

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 26):
Most travel agents have to charge a booking fee these days since the airlines no longer pay commissions, so that is an extra charge to the passenger also.


Is that fee less than the G4 fee for online booking though?

Last time I checked, most agents here charge between $10-$20 per person. (G4's online fee is $8.50 per person.)
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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Sat Nov 10, 2007 2:51 pm

Quoting Bahadir (Reply 25):

The ones that you mentioned (TC-AKN) are bastardized former Reno Air aircraft. After the airline went belly up, they were purchased by Freebird Airlines but departed the fleet when the airline wanted to all Airbus.

Reno Air didn't go belly up, they were bought out by American, who eventually returned the former QQ fleet of Mad Dog 80s to the lessors (QQ's MD-90s were the first to go, as they were really an oddball in the AA fleet.).


Even with G4 axing 6 LAS routes, these four a/c are still needed. With the recent expansion of their charter arrangement with Harrah's Entertainment, G4 will be basing two a/c out of UTA (Tunica, MS) for charters, and G4 will also be doing charters for Harrah's to a number of other cities where Harrah's has properties. G4 may be depending on charters to help weather the storm, and need the extra a/c.
 
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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Sat Nov 10, 2007 3:11 pm

Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 23):
Those vapors can actually do much more harm to you than good. I hate the smell of jet fuel, but I LOVE the smell of jet EXHAUST.

I'm almost positive that's what our Iowa friend was smelling. It's a lot harder to smell jet FUEL in the cabin than jet EXHAUST.
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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Sat Nov 10, 2007 9:19 pm

How many pax does their config. of the 88 hold?? The G4 83's hold 150 and their 87's hold

Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 27):
Last time I checked, most agents here charge between $10-$20 per person. (G4's online fee is $8.50 per person.)

G4 Charges 10$ to book online, but unlike most every other airline, free to book at the airport. Fuel is their biggest expense, and with that going up they are raising the bag fees. The also launched a fuel burn program which tracks the exact amount of fuel burned on EACH flight, and they can see statistics based on individual tail numbers, pilots, and stations.

They have a pretty solid operation currently, in my opinion. Last night at FWA the inbound SFB flight had a MX problem (Slats and Flaps only went FULL extend or FULL retract, which can obviously be a problem). They ferried that aircraft (874GA) out and flew up (892GA). It went 7hrs late, but definitely beats a cancellation and having to wait 3 more days to pick up your expired Disney World tickets.

From what I was told, the pilot told pax at the gate: "Ladies and Gentlemen, this airplane is a bit broken... So we are going to fly it back to Florida and pick us up a nice new shinier one, and we will be RIGHT back to pick you up!"
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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:37 am

Quoting Srbmod (Reply 28):

Reno Air didn't go belly up, they were bought out by American, who eventually returned the former QQ fleet of Mad Dog 80s to the lessors (QQ's MD-90s were the first to go, as they were really an oddball in the AA fleet.).

I should have known that.. I guess I am getting old  Smile

Quoting Georgebush (Reply 30):
From what I was told, the pilot told pax at the gate: "Ladies and Gentlemen, this airplane is a bit broken... So we are going to fly it back to Florida and pick us up a nice new shinier one, and we will be RIGHT back to pick you up!"

I highly doubt it was the same crew.
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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:23 am

Quoting Bahadir (Reply 31):
I highly doubt it was the same crew.

I was actually looking at this on Flight Following on Allegiants AARES system. Then called my mate at the airport.
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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:22 am

So any word yet on exactly where these aircraft came from?
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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:54 pm

Either way G4 needs these aircraft pretty quickly as they continue to ramp up their IWA and FLL focus cities.

[Edited 2007-11-12 06:56:17]
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RE: Allegiant Acquires Four MD-88 Aircraft

Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:55 pm

Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 34):
Either way G4 needs these aircraft pretty quickly as they continue to ramp up their IWA and FLL focus cities

You got that right. Do you think they will split the 4 2 and 2 between each?

2 aircraft in FLL could open up 3-4 new routes, same with IWA. Thinking about it, I wonder if part of the reason they only opened up about 13 routes initially was 2 fold:

1. Make sure people used it
2. Not enough a/c to open up more. Giving them max utilization on the ones they decided to base there. But now they are getting more, it allows them to potentially relax some of the utilization, and get more routes that are closer so they burn less fuel. It would give them more flexability with shorter routes (especially considering they just dropped 6 LAS-Midwest routes.)
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