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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Sat Nov 10, 2007 4:59 pm

Oh I forgot to mention one thing. It may go without saying, but just for clarification, I'm also interested in information regarding Eagle's ops there during that time period, so if anyone could offer guidance finding information on that it would also be greatly appreciated.

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Nashville Hub/AA Question

Sat Nov 10, 2007 8:20 pm

I'm an aeronautical science major and am writing a research paper on hub airports and the impact that hub status has on the local community. I have tentatively chosen to analyze Nashville (BNA) and its evolution from an American hub through closure and onto Southwest's current dominance.
I need information for the paper and I turn to the best resource I know of, my fellow a.net'ers LOL. Any guidance that you could give me would be great, especially on the subject of AA's hub (Timetables, destination cities, history, etc.) I am finding that this information is reasonably difficult to come by so any help, guidance, links, or suggestions that you folks could offer (both on AA and Southwest) will be GREATLY appreciated.

Thanks,
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:20 am

I'll offer what I can though not sure on some dates - I'm in the process of moving so all my timetables are packed up. You can look on departedflights.com for timetables, etc. I do know the hub open around early 86, when the terminal was still on the west side of the airfield. Several temporary gates and jetbridges were built over there. The new terminal on the east side was planned and built along with runway 2R/20L and 2C/20C extended. Concourse C has 25 gates, and all were dedicated to AA's use. The concourse was built in a sort of "crooked elbow" design to minimize connecting distances for pax although it wasn't all so pleasant for O&D pax, especially if you were using the 20's gates. Concourse D was a short one used for Eagle flights, although at it's zenith, Eagle also operated out of gates on concourse B.

There were six connecting banks, three in each direction. It sort of started out as a north/south directional hub but when RDU opened, AA made it "omni-directional" (their words, for whatever they meant it). IIRC, at it's peak, mainline had about 135 daily departures, mostly 727's and M80's. A rare DC10 made an appearance, but very rare. Eagle flew pretty much everything they owned at one time or another. EM2, SWM, SF3, ATR, J31. Of course no RJ's then. They also flew around 130-140 departures a day. The only international flights were to Toronto, San Juan (some could argue it's not international, but...for a short time only) and in 1994 they flew n/s to LGW with a 763. That lasted maybe a year. By then, EA had died and AA had swooped into MIA, realized hubs at BNA and RDU were expendable. Mainline drew down, replaced by Eagle - I flew a couple Saab flights, one to JAX and one to PIT. Long flights on that plane back then. I don't recall the exact date they officially announced the hub dead. The only services they left were to the ORD and DFW hubs; their long standing service to LGA and LAX. MIA service was reinstated and a few years ago, DCA flights returned, another route AA had flown since the 60's.

As for WN, I'll let someone else fill in that piece. Hope any of this helps, I think I got it all close!
 
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:39 am

Skyy summed up a lot of the operations well. BNA was a great hub to go through in those days - I remember flying through the hub as a kid coming back to Texas from the northeast - it was calm, convenient, not as crazy as, say, ORD or certainly JFK/LGA.

The hub officially opened in 1985, along with Raleigh and San Juan. This was during the height of the 1980s "Growth Plan" years. Essentially, Crandall got all of the mainline unions on AMR property (APA, APFA, TWU) to agree to "B-scales," a revolutionary concept for the time that has now long since done away with because it basically - in time - destroyed the backbone of the whole union concept. It meant that, for that time, the existing union employees at AMR would continue to get paid their inflated regulation-era compensation, but new workers brought in would be paid at new, lower "B-scales." Obviously, this was an enormous boost to AMR's bottom line, and lowered their labor costs substantially, making it possible for Crandall to commit to massive amounts of new aircraft spurred by the lower operating costs. (Virtually every other airline in the United States soon tried to get their unions to go along with "B-scales" to mixed success - it was part of why United's pilots did their infamous 1985 walkout.)

As such, Crandall had planes (MD80s) arriving at the rate of, believe it or not, 1-2 per week. They were coming in so fast he didn't know what to do with them all, and AMR began looking at opening up other U.S. hubs to develop traffic and take some of these planes, as it was obvious that neither DFW nor ORD could handle all of this new capacity alone. They determined that BNA and RDU would both be viable hubs in the eastern U.S., serving different markets. BNA was primarily the southeastern U.S. hub, linking lots of smaller cities in Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi, Tennessee, etc. to other AA hubs and major cities throughout the central and eastern U.S. (BNA did also have a nonstop link to LAX, and for a few years, LGW, too, and possibly LAS, but most of the BNA hub flights stayed east of the Rockies.) The hub worked well at serving its purpose - it was a great alternative to ATL and CLT if you were going to a lot of smaller cities in the region.

RDU was intended more as a hub for eastern-seaboard north-south traffic. Most of the hubs traffic was generated by linking up many major cities in the northeast (just about every big one you could name) with big destinations in Florida and, to a lesser extent, other large and small southeastern U.S. cities.

A few things led to the downfall of both hubs, and BNA especially. RDU began to collapse around 1994-1995 (ultimately closed in 1995) because, once AA bought the MIA hub from Eastern in 1990, there was no longer a need to shuttle people from the northeast to Florida over RDU. AA's own flights were now overflying RDU anyway and getting people to MIA/Florida nonstop. Second, with the economic downturn and air travel collapse (seems almost comical to call it that now, in hindsight, considering what post-9/11 was like), AA had to cut capacity in a big way, and it was easy to sacrifice two marginal hubs in RDU and BNA, as they certainly weren't going to touch DFW or ORD.

As for BNA specifically, some claim that Crandall's spat with the airport authority (to keep the hub, he demanded totally free landing fees, and they refused) was a contributor to their departure. I personally don't buy this, though. I think the hub was on its way out anyway and this was just a last-ditch effort to stave off the inevitable. AA had tried to make the hubs work, but it just wasn't going to be feasible: the hubs were competing with each other, which is not a good strategy when you're an airline. BNA was largely covering the same traffic flows that DFW and ORD could already handle, albeit as a reliever, just as RDU was now handling traffic that MIA was already taking over. In that environment, it just wasn't necessary to keep a BNA hub just for the 10-15 points in the southeast that it served exclusively (many of which, ironically, are now once again seeing AA/Eagle service for the first time in decades due to the Delta DFW pullout and ensuing AA/Eagle DFW-southeast expansion.)

So, in summary, here's what I'd say about BNA. It was a great hub from a customer service standpoint, and for its time, it did serve an important purpose in plugging many smaller cities in the region into the global AA network. However, long-term, it probably was not ever really viable as a legacy airline hub: the market there is just not big enough to support the type of hub AA wanted to use it for, and it was a small hub trying to tread water while basically doing about the same thing as two much, much larger hubs (DFW/ORD). AA definitely gave it a shot: they built the entire Concourse C, they added the London flights, etc., but they soon recognized that there was a compelling enough case for having a full-blown hub at BNA.

So, the hub was drawn down (I think either 1994 or 1995, like RDU) to just a regular spoke, although, just like with RDU, you still see the remnants of the hub there - they're unavoidable. For years after the pullout, even up until I believe about 1999, Eagle was still flying 3x daily SAABs BNA-RDU and rotating them back up to JFK. The London and hub flights might have disappeared, but even today, AA still maintains a sizeable schedule at BNA: nonstops to LaGuardia and LAX, plus the obligatory DFW/ORD/MIA. They also now have Eagle flights to DCA that were put in to bribe Tennessee's congressional delegation to vote against repealing the Wright Amendment, but apparently they're actually doing not bad. AA still uses the same hub-designed concourse it had then, now shared with Southwest. Nashville still has (back - it closed for a while) an Admirals Clubs, while there are AA stations larger than BNA that don't.

In the final analysis, I think BNA really did get a good deal. Sure, they lost the AA hub, but they have done just fine with Southwest there, which - much like in RDU and many other cities - came in after the hub pullout of the legacy carrier and picked up the pieces and reinvigorated the market. BNA is now a hub of sorts for Southwest, one of it's busiest stations, and still a great place overall!
 
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:32 am

Wow! Thanks for that great information. That's exactly along the lines of what I'm looking for. At the risk of sounding ungrateful, do you happen to know any net or print sources for this so I can document access to it as hard information? And does anyone know how I could find out how many people AA employed at BNA during that time?

Thanks again, and by all means keep it coming if anyone has anything else.

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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Sun Nov 11, 2007 1:43 am

Here's an article from the Cincinnatti Enquirer from November 27, 2005 which talks about how Nashville recovered from the loss of the AA hub.

Nashville shows way to recovery
A decade after American Airlines pullout, lines bustle and fares are competitive.

http://archives.californiaaviation.org/airport/msg36428.html

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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:25 am

I think had the RJ's been around in significant numbers during the days of the BNA/RDU hubs, one may have survived on a scale such as CLE is for CO, or MEM for NW - a few dozen mainline flights and the rest regional jets. Obviously RDU got back some of their lost service after the collapse of Midway, and Nashville benefited from WN's expansion. One thing I do recall was that when the BNA-London flight was faltering, the city of Nashville tried to persuade the feds to allow the city/MNAA to purchase the route authority rather than have it awarded to a specific airline. That plan obviously never happened. Also, before WN began their buildup, a number of local investors attempted to raise capital to form "Nashville Air" and had already selected the A320 as it's aircraft of choice. That one too we all know what happened, and as they say, the rest is history.
 
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:34 am

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 6):
I think had the RJ's been around in significant numbers during the days of the BNA/RDU hubs, one may have survived on a scale such as CLE is for CO, or MEM for NW - a few dozen mainline flights and the rest regional jets.

Agreed.

I think that BNA or RDU, though probably not both simultaneously for the same airline, would have each probably made a good RJ hub a la AA/STL, DL/CVG, CO/CLE, etc. Of the two, I must say, I think RDU probably has the stronger fundamentals, and would have made the better RJ hub, because of its location further east, but I think that it is definitely true that RJs would have gone a long way towards help one or both of these cities retain more a hub-like service level from AA back in the early 1990s.
 
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:46 am

Quote:
International airport code: BNA

Daily airline departures: 408

Direct destinations served: 47

Average daily passengers: 11,000

11,000 daily? Is that right? On 408 daily departures? 27 passengers per? One of the numbers has to be wrong. Right?
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:24 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 8):
11,000 daily? Is that right? On 408 daily departures? 27 passengers per? One of the numbers has to be wrong. Right?

No, there's an error there. That 408 figure is all movements, arrivals and departures, not sure what month they are quoting, but, if I counted right - the totals for departures in November are: (for statistical purposes, I count anything not made by Boeing, Airbus or McDD as mainline, everything else RJ)

Air Canada Jazz = 2 - RJ
American = 30 - 15 mainline, 15 RJ
Continental = 16 - all RJ
Delta = 19 - 4 mainline, 15 RJ
Frontier = 3 mainline
JetBlue = 3 (going away in January)
Midwest = 4 RJ
Northwest = 12 - 8 mainline, 4 RJ
Southwest = 84 mainline
United = 10 all RJ
US Airways = 18 - 4 mainline, 14 RJ (2 PIT flights go away in Jan)

If I count correctly, thats 201 departures, 402 daily movements. I beleive WN has a couple more flights to add in the spring but no other announcements I know of. We can also brag that we have 6x weekly China Cargo 744F's!
 
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:30 am

402 movements makes a lot more sense than what the article had. An average of 54 passengers per flight is a realistic number.
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:45 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 10):
402 movements makes a lot more sense than what the article had. An average of 54 passengers per flight is a realistic number.

That daily pax number looks way off too. According the the official airport website, (the latest figures are for 2004 for some reason), the airport handled 8.6 million pax. (I'm sure it's higher now) That averages to over 23,000 a day. Again thats in and out, still close to your 54 figure. We all here on a.net know the media isn't exactly correct on a lot of it's facts when it comes to airports and airlines.
 
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:57 am

When I saw the 11,000 I figured that was one way. So I doubled it. That came to just a hair over 8 million. That made sense. So it sounds to me like they doubled the wrong number.
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:49 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 3):



Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 2):

Fascinating! Absolutely fascinating read fellas. I totally enjoyed that "to the last drop" (a little Nashville flair on my comment there if you noticed it and you know your coffee history).

BNA borders close to 10 million pax a year right now with over 9.5 last year in total pax.

[Edited 2007-11-10 20:53:40]
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:19 pm

What type of a/c did AA use on BNA-LHR nonstop? flight?
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Sun Nov 11, 2007 12:38 pm

Quoting AirAmericaC46 (Reply 14):
What type of a/c did AA use on BNA-LHR nonstop?

I believe it was a 767-200ER.
 
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:27 pm

Wasn't a fair number of the F-100's deployed in BNA to right-size routes that weren't big enough for 727/MD-80, but larger than a turboprop?

Did RDU ever see the F-100?
 
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:35 pm

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 16):
Did RDU ever see the F-100?

Oh yes.
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Sun Nov 11, 2007 2:41 pm

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 9):
If I count correctly, thats 201 departures, 402 daily movements

That is still low if your including the Air China 747F..... don't forget about the FedEx 727 and MD-11, the DHL 727.. and all the other cargo planes that run through during the off hours. BNA is a busy little airport. It's funny though.. I can just about set my watch by aircraft departures. I get to the airport at 0530, and like clock work the first outbounds start leaving at about 0620... and the first inbound at about 0645

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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:41 pm

I wish I could remember where I downloaded these excel documents from, but it details Southwest Airline's history in all cities by year.

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 2):
I do know the hub open around early 86

I find it interesting that Southwest started up Nashville in 1986;

The following cities/frequencies for BNA are the average flights a day for a year; so weekdays are averaged in with weekends, etc. If Southwest opened up a new route with 2x frequency in the middle of the year, it will be listed below as 1x frequency for the entire year.

1986:
HOU 3x; MDW 3x

1987:
BHM 2x; HOU 4x; MDW 5x; PHX 1x

1988:
BHM 3x; DET 1x; HOU 4x; MDW 5x; PHX 2x

1989:
BHM 4x; DET 2x; HOU 4x; MDW 6x; PHX 2x

1990:
identical to 1989.

1991:
BHM 3x; HOU 3x; MDW 7x; PHX 2x (I double-checked this. Yes, there was a reduction in flights.)

1992:
identical to 1991.

1993:
BHM 4x; HOU 4x; MDW 7x; PHX 2x

1994:
BHM 4x; HOU 4x; MDW 8x; PHX 2x

1995:
BHM 4x; BWI 2x; HOU 5x; MCI 1x; MSY 1x; MDW 8x; PHX 2x

1996;
AUS 1x; BHM 3x; BWI 4x; CLE 3x; HOU 6x; LAS 1x; MCI 2x; MCO 2x; MDW 8x; MSY 2x; PHX 2x; SAT 1x; TPA 2x

Wow this is getting long; let me change to avg. departures per day by year;

1997; 50.7 departures/day
1998: 60.9 departures/day
1999: 70.1 departures/day
2000: 80.4 departures/day
2001: 84.5 departures/day
2002: 82.5 departures/day

and that's all I have.

One other oddball tidbit I found out; In July 2007, WN averaged 13.5 daily departures per gate at Oakland. WOW.

Another tidbit; the forum's spell check recognizes everything in this post but DET.

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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Sun Nov 11, 2007 3:51 pm

BNA was a crew base for the F100. That's why commuting from BNA is a pain for current AA people. TC
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:34 pm

Quoting EMBQA (Reply 18):
That is still low if your including the Air China 747F..... don't forget about the FedEx 727 and MD-11, the DHL 727.. and all the other cargo planes that run through during the off hours. BNA is a busy little airport. It's funny though.. I can just about set my watch by aircraft departures. I get to the airport at 0530, and like clock work the first outbounds start leaving at about 0620... and the first inbound at about 0645

Yeah, I'm not sure I've ever been at the airport when any of those birds are on the ground. I do frequently see the China 744 taking off on one of the 2's climbing out, as they are around 0700-0900 time frame. I'm still surprised FedEx flies in, I'd assume they'd truck everything to MEM - or do they fly to another hub also? Do we get UPS or do they truck to SDF?

I'd forgotten about those little Fokkers. I used to see them alot when I'd fly in. I think I was also wrong on the LGW flight, for some reason I thought it was a 767-300, but now that I think of it, I do beleive it was indeed a 200.
 
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:35 pm

I think (including the new frequencies out of BNA to MSY and FLL) WN's total number of departures would be around 87 or so today. I may be off on that, but then again who knows. But I believe it would be best to describe the growth that WN has put into BNA as that of slow and calculated growth. A perfect model for their business model.

Nice tables BooDog!

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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:38 pm

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 21):
I'm still surprised FedEx flies in, I'd assume they'd truck everything to MEM - or do they fly to another hub also? Do we get UPS or do they truck to SDF?

UPS trucks to SDF and to their ground hub in North Nashville. FX flies to MEM and IND from here. The 727 is overnight express runs to MEM and the MD-11 is overnights to IND. BNA is a reliever for the two hubs (MEM primarily) according to the FX spoksperson that was at the facilities opening last year.

According to FX, they had wanted in this market for some time and just didn't have the land available to get it done. Now that the airport freed that land up for them to build on, FX came in and took a considerable chunk out of the landscape with their sorting facility here.

To date these are the only all-cargo carriers at BNA:

China Airlines Cargo: Boeing 744F
FedEx Express: McDonnell Douglas MD-11 and Boeing 727 (Occasional A300/310)
DHL: Boeing 727(occasional DC9 add-on)
Capital Cargo: Boeing 727
ATI: (Doglas DC8) Occasional visitor, but not regular
Kitty Hawk used to fly here two or three times a night, but we all know what happened to them unfotunatly.

[Edited 2007-11-11 08:46:58]
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Sun Nov 11, 2007 4:50 pm

Quoting Lexy (Reply 22):
I think (including the new frequencies out of BNA to MSY and FLL) WN's total number of departures would be around 87 or so today. I may be off on that, but then again who knows. But I believe it would be best to describe the growth that WN has put into BNA as that of slow and calculated growth. A perfect model for their business model.

That makes sense. The total of 84 I listed shows the 3 additions they announced back during the summer. If I'm not mistaken, WN's high was 88 departures, so we're almost back to that level!

Quoting Lexy (Reply 23):
UPS trucks to SDF and to their ground hub in North Nashville. FX flies to MEM and IND from here. The 727 is overnight express runs to MEM and the MD-11 is overnights to IND. BNA is a reliever for the two hubs (MEM primarily) according to the FX spoksperson that was at the facilities opening last year.

Thanks for the FYI.
 
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Sun Nov 11, 2007 5:11 pm

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 24):
That makes sense. The total of 84 I listed shows the 3 additions they announced back during the summer. If I'm not mistaken, WN's high was 88 departures, so we're almost back to that level!

We are very close to that now. THANK GOD!

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 24):
Thanks for the FYI.

My pleasure. One of my coworkers is a former UPS guy from here in town. Plus, UPS is my company's main carrier for national and international freight.
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:50 am

Quoting Commavia (Reply 7):
I think that BNA or RDU, though probably not both simultaneously for the same airline, would have each probably made a good RJ hub a la AA/STL, DL/CVG, CO/CLE, etc. Of the two, I must say, I think RDU probably has the stronger fundamentals, and would have made the better RJ hub, because of its location further east, but I think that it is definitely true that RJs would have gone a long way towards help one or both of these cities retain more a hub-like service level from AA back in the early 1990s.

RDU was a N/S hub carrying traffic along the east coast. It did well (not outstanding) until AA purchased the MIA operation. Within 2 months we went from 90% F100 load factors to less than 30% --simply overflying our own hub. BNA was a hub to move traffic from mid-west to southeast (primarily) and northeast to mid-continent (and beyond). F100s were based there for two reasons: the F100 failed to qualify for SNA's EE noise exemption (ever so slightly too loud) so it made no sense to fly the plane along the west coast (the original plan), and BNA hub routes were (on average) shorter than RDU, so when the hubs opened (same date) RDU was a 727 base while BNA was a F100 base.

BNA was a "break-even" operation until adding west-coast ruoutes (LAX, SJC & SAN). BNA-LGW was marginally successful, but every time AA raised the cheapest fare $5 the reservations dropped 75-80% (a very elastic market). The west-coast routes, while successful, were not overly successful financially (full flights, but low profit). With the next downturn in the economy, AA decided to protect its ORD/DFW hubs and one way to do that was to cancel the BNA-west coast flights. When AA did that, 80% of those pax continued to fly w/AA, but through DFW or ORD (and AA eliminated the costs for the BNA flights). Without the west-coast flights, BNA became unviable as a hub and was closed. Coincidentally on the same day that RDU was closed as a hub (opened on same day, closed on same day).

Quoting AirAmericaC46 (Reply 14):
What type of a/c did AA use on BNA-LHR nonstop? flight?

762ER. Routing was normally DFW-BNA-LGW.

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 16):
Did RDU ever see the F-100?

Yes. Its last year as a hub the vast majority of flights were F100s (flown by BNA crews).
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:05 am

Quoting AAR90 (Reply 26):
Yes. Its last year as a hub the vast majority of flights were F100s (flown by BNA crews).

I flew LGA-RDU on a F100 in November 1993. My family and I continued onto PBI with an S80. The return was PBI-RDU on the S80 and an evening flight from RDU-LGA on a 727.

I'm guessing they had some F100 routes in the Early 1990s?

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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Mon Nov 12, 2007 12:57 pm

Even though AA pulled out of RDU and dehubbed and built up MIA and closed up BNA.. I still wish AA would offer intra-MidAtlantic service from RDU on the SAABs.. I think they could do very well opening up with service from RDU to smaller cities in NC, SC, and VA. I also think they would do well connecting some of them.. since US has virtually killed all it's non-CLT intra-MidAtlantic flying, the market is way free.. I think starting with 2 flights a day (1 on some non-RDU flights) would bring a big surprise.. ORF-CHS, ORF-EWN, CAE-RIC.. some of these trips that take over 2 hours to drive could work.. especially for those who connect to these flights..

but oh well, will never happen unless I do it myself.. and fly them under DL brand name.. ohh.. or VA.. think they would let someone do at risk flights to Virgin standards?
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Mon Nov 12, 2007 2:33 pm

Quoting Simairlinenet (Reply 29):
This will be useful: http://web.archive.org/web/200502050....html

Thank you!!!

I've been trying to find this article/website for a while. Does anyone know what happened to this site? And how to get access to other articles that were on it? (There were many articles about many airlines and aircraft.)
 
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Mon Nov 12, 2007 3:39 pm

Did BNA lose their local service on American after RegionsAir pulled out or was their local service already dismantled with the hub-loss?
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:13 pm

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 2):
The new terminal on the east side was planned and built along with runway 2R/20L and 2C/20C extended.

Speaking of runway work at BNA during the AA hub era, I think remember 13/31 being lengthened so that AA could fly the B762ER to LGW with suffiicient amounts of fuel, pax, and cargo. Is that correct?

Quoting SkyyMaster (Reply 6):
I think had the RJ's been around in significant numbers during the days of the BNA/RDU hubs, one may have survived on a scale such as CLE is for CO, or MEM for NW - a few dozen mainline flights and the rest regional jets.

I agree that RJs might have let RDU remain an AA hub. However, if the RJ boom happened sooner and AA still bought TW, BNA might have been de-hubbed anyway because of its closeness to STL.
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:29 pm

Quoting ERJ170 (Reply 31):
Did BNA lose their local service on American after RegionsAir pulled out or was their local service already dismantled with the hub-loss?

3C flew BNA-STL, BNA-TRI, and BNA-ATL up until fairly recently (some time in 2005 maybe). BNA-ATL had a major corporate contract supporting it (BellSouth IIRC), and BNA-TRI may have as well. BNA-TRI also, naturally, did pick up some government traffic and the like. BNA-STL is now flown by AX (and MQ), and TRI and ATL are gone. 3C did m/x at MQY, so BNA flying was also a good way to minimize the length of ferry flights.
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:52 pm

Quoting Tommy767 (Reply 27):

I'm guessing they had some F100 routes in the Early 1990s?

BNA had F100 service up until nearly the very last days of American F100 service. I thought I heard one of the very last F100 flights came from Nashville (not THE last)
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:33 pm

Quoting Commavia (Reply 30):
Quoting Simairlinenet (Reply 29):
This will be useful: http://web.archive.org/web/200502050....html

Thank you!!!

I've been trying to find this article/website for a while. Does anyone know what happened to this site? And how to get access to other articles that were on it? (There were many articles about many airlines and aircraft.)

You can just use that link to access most of the site...or archive.org itself.
 
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:49 pm

FYI, as of December 15, 1989, American had 145 flights (88 mainline, 57 Eagle) to and from Nashville, to and from 49 airports. (ATL, AVL, BHM, BOS, BTR, BWI, CHA, CLE, CMH, CSG, CVG, DAY, DCA, DFW, DTW, EVV, EWR, FWA, GTR, HSV, IAH, IND, JAN, JFK, LAX, LEX, LGA, LIT, MCO, MEM, MGM, MIA, MKE, MOB, MSY, ORD, OWB, PAH, PHL, RDU, SBN, SDF, SJU, TCL, TPA, TRI, TUP, TYS, YYZ)

By comparison, AA had 166 flights (115 mainline, 51 Eagle) to and from Raleigh/Durham, to and from 55 airports. (ALB, ATL, AVL, BDL, BNA, BOS, BUF, CAE, CHS, CLE, CLT, CMH, CUN, DAB, DCA, DFW, DTW, EWN, EWR, FAY, FLL, FLO, GSO, GSP, IAD, ILM, ISP, JAX, JFK, LGA, MCO, MDT, MIA, MLB, MYR, OAJ, ORD, ORF, PBI, PGV, PHF, PHL, PIT, PVD, RIC, ROA, ROC, RSW, SAV, SJU, SRQ, SYR, TPA, TRI, TYS)

AA had 70 flights (40 mainline, 30 Eagle) to and from Miami, to and from 22 airports (APF, BNA, BOS, DCA, DFW, EYW, GCM, KIN, LAX, LGA, MBJ, MSY, MTH, ORD, PAP, PBI, PHL, POP, RDU, RSW, SDQ, SJU)

Sources for all above: Departedflights.com

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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:01 am

Quoting Simairlinenet (Reply 29):
This will be useful: http://web.archive.org/web/200502050....html

I think SHUPirate covers it better, the destinations on this map/list are incomplete. There were quite a few other destinations served not shown on this link. I wouldn't have called BNA a mini-hub as well, but I guess that depends on how people define the terms. To me, CMH for HP was a mini-hub. BNA and RDU for AA would have been considered small to medium sized hubs. Regardless, thanks for the updated list SHU.
 
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:19 am

Here we go....

Effective August 31, 1986:

Asheville 3x (via Eagle)
Baton Rouge 3x
Birmingham 3x
Boston 3x
Chattanooga 3x
Chicago O'Hare 3x
Cincinnati 3x
Cleveland 3x
Columbus, MS 3x (via Eagle)
Columbus, OH 3x
Dallas/Fort Worth 5x
Detroit 3x
Evansville 3x (via Eagle)
Greensboro 1x
Houston Intercontinental 3x
Huntsville 3x
Indianapolis 3x (via Eagle)
Jackson, MS 3x
Knoxville 6x (via Eagle)
Lexington 3x (via Eagle)
Little Rock 3x
Los Angeles 1x
Marion 3x (via Eagle)
Memphis 3x
Mobile 3x
Montgomery 3x (via Eagle)
New Orleans 3x
New York LaGuardia 3x
Newark 3x
Paducah 3x (via Eagle)
Philadelphia 3x
Raleigh 2x
Roanoke 3x (via Eagle)
Springfield, MO 2x (via Eagle)
Tri-City Airport 4x (via Eagle)
Tupelo 3x (via Eagle)
Tuscaloosa 3x (via Eagle)
Washington National 3x


Effective September 8, 1987:

Asheville 3x (via Eagle)
Baltimore 3x
Baton Rouge 3x
Birmingham 3x
Boston 3x
Chattanooga 3x
Chicago O'Hare 3x
Cincinnati 3x (via Eagle)
Cleveland 3x
Columbus, MS 3x (via Eagle)
Columbus, OH 3x (via Eagle)
Dallas/Fort Worth 5x
Detroit 3x
Eansville 5x (via Eagle)
Greensboro 2x
Houston Intercontinental 3x
Huntsville 3x
Indianapolis 3x (via Eagle)
Jackson, MS 3x
Knoxville 5x (via Eagle)
Lexington 3x (via Eagle)
Little Rock 3x
Los Angeles 1x
Memphis 3x
Meridian 1x (via Eagle)
Milwaukee 3x
Minneapolis 3x
Mobile 3x
Montgomery 3x (via Eagle)
New Orleans 3x
New York LaGuardia 3x
Newark 3x
Orlando 3x
Paducah 3x (via Eagle)
Philadelphia 3x
Raleigh/Durham 1x
Tampa 3x
Tri-City Airport 5x (via Eagle)
Washington National 3x


Effective July 1, 1988

Asheville 3x (via Eagle)
Atlanta 3x
Baltimore 3x
Boston 3x
Chattanooga 3x
Chicago O'Hare 3x
Cincinnati 3x (via Eagle)
Cleveland 3x
Columbus, MS 3x (via Eagle)
Columbus, OH 3x (via Eagle)
Dallas/Fort Worth 7x
Dayton 3x (via Eagle)
Detroit 3x
Evansville 5x (via Eagle)
Greensboro 2x
Houston Intercontinental 3x
Huntsville 3x
Indianapolis 3x (via Eagle)
Jackson, MS 3x
Knoxville 6x (via Eagle)
Lexington 3x (via Eagle)
Little Rock 3x
Los Angeles 1x
Louisville 3x
Memphis 3x
Meridian 1x (via Eagle)
Milwaukee 3x
Mobile 3x (via Eagle)
Montgomery 3x (via Eagle)
New Orleans 3x
New York Kennedy 1x
New York LaGuardia 3x
Newark 3x
Orlando 3x
Paducah 3x (via Eagle)
Philadelphia 3x
Raleigh 1x
Tampa 3x
Tri-City Airport 4x (via Eagle)
Tupelo 3x (via Eagle)
Tuscaloosa 2x (via Eagle)
Washington National 3x


Effective July 1, 1989:

Asheville 3x (via Eagle)
Atlanta 3x
Baltimore 3x
Baton Rouge 3x
Birmingham 3x
Chattanooga 3x
Chicago O'Hare 4x
Cincinnati 3x (via Eagle)
Cleveland 3x
Columbus, MS 3x (via Eagle)
Columbus, OH 3x (via Eagle)
Dallas/Fort Worth 6x
Dayton 3x (via Eagle)
Detroit 3x
Evansville 3x (via Eagle)
Fort Wayne 3x (via Eagle)
Houston Intercontinental 3x
Indianapolis 3x (via Eagle)
Jackson, MS 3x
Knoxville 7x (via Eagle)
Lexington 3x (via Eagle)
Little Rock 3x
Los Angeles 2x
Louisville 3x (via Eagle)
Memphis 3x
Miami 3x
Milwaukee 3x
Mobile 3x
Montgomery 3x (via Eagle)
Raleigh 3x
San Antonio 3x
San Juan 1x
South Bend 3x (via Eagle)
Tampa 3x
Toronto 2x
Tri-City Airport 3x (via Eagle)
Tupelo 3x (via Eagle)
Washington National 3x


Effective June 15, 1990:

Asheville 3x (via Eagle)
Atlanta 3x
Baltimore 3x
Baton Rouge 3x
Birmingham 3x
Boston 3x
Chattanooga 3x
Chicago O'Hare 4x
Cincinnati 3x (via Eagle)
Cleveland 3x
Columbus, GA 3x (via Eagle)
Columbus, MS 3x (via Eagle)
Columbus, OH 3x (via Eagle)
Dallas/Fort Worth 6x
Dayton 3x (via Eagle)
Detroit 3x
Evansville 3x (via Eagle)
Fort Wayne 3x (via Eagle)
Greenville/Spartanburg 3x (via Eagle)
Huntsville 3x
Indianapolis 3x (via Eagle)
Jackson, MS 3x
Knoxville 6x (via Eagle)
Las Vegas 1x
Lexington 3x (via Eagle)
Little Rock 3x
Los Angeles 2x
Louisville 3x (via Eagle)
Memphis 3x
Meridian 2x (via Eagle)
Milwaukee 3x
Mobile 3x
Montgomery 3x (via Eagle)
New Orleans 3x
New York Kennedy 1x
New York LaGuardia 3x
Newark 3x
Orlando 3x
Owensboro 3x (via Eagle)
Philadelphia 3x
Raleigh 3x
South Bend 3x (via Eagle)
Tampa 3x
Toronto 3x
Tri-City Airport 3x (via Eagle)
Tupelo 3x (via Eagle)
Washington National 3x


Effective June 1, 1991:

Asheville 3x (via Eagle)
Atlanta 3x
Augusta, GA 3x (via Eagle)
Baltimore 3x
Baton Rouge 3x
Birmingham 3x
Boston 3x
Charlotte 3x (via Eagle)
Chattanooga 6x (via Eagle)
Chicago O'Hare 6x
Cincinnati 3x (via Eagle)
Cleveland 3x
Columbia 3x (via Eagle)
Columbus, GA 3x (via Eagle)
Columbus, MS 3x (via Eagle)
Columbus, OH 3x (via Eagle)
Dallas/Fort Worth 6x
Dayton 3x (via Eagle)
Denver 2x
Detroit 3x
Evansville 3x (via Eagle)
Fort Lauderdale 3x
Fort Walton Beach 3x (via Eagle)
Fort Wayne 3x (via Eagle)
Greensboro 3x
Greenville/Spartanburg 3x
Hartford/Springfield 3x
Houston Intercontinental 3x
Huntsville 3x
Indianapolis 3x
Jackson, MS 3x
Jacksonville, FL 3x
Kansas City 3x
Knoxville 6x (via Eagle)
Lexington 6x (via Eagle)
Little Rock 3x
Los Angeles 3x
Louisville 3x
Memphis 3x
Meridian 3x (via Eagle)
Miami 3x
Milwaukee 3x
Mobile 3x
Montgomery 5x (via Eagle)
New Orleans 3x
New York Kennedy 1x
New York LaGuardia 3x
Newark 3x
Norfolk 3x
Orlando 3x
Owensboro 3x (via Eagle)
Paducah 3x (via Eagle)
Pensacola 3x (via Eagle)
Peoria 3x (via Eagle)
Philadelphia 3x
Raleigh 3x
Richmond 3x
Saint Louis 3x
San Diego 2x
San Francisco 3x
San Juan 1x
South Bend 3x (via Eagle)
Tallahassee 3x (via Eagle)
Tampa 3x
Toronto 3x
Tri-City Airport 5x (via Eagle)
Tupelo 3x (via Eagle)
Tuscaloosa 3x (via Eagle)
Washington National 3x


Effective May 1, 1992:

Asheville 4x (via Eagle)
Atlanta 3x
Augusta, GA 3x (via Eagle)
Baltimore 3x
Baton Rouge 3x
Birmingham 3x
Boston 3x
Charlotte 3x (via Eagle)
Chattanooga 6x (via Eagle)
Chicago O'Hare 8x
Cincinnati 3x (via Eagle)
Cleveland 3x
Columbia 3x (via Eagle)
Columbus, GA 3x (via Eagle)
Columbus, MS 3x (via Eagle)
Columbus, OH 3x (via Eagle)
Dallas/Fort Worth 7x
Dayton 3x (via Eagle)
Denver 2x
Detroit 3x
Evansville 3x (via Eagle)
Fort Lauderdale 1x
Fort Walton Beach 5x (via Eagle)
Fort Wayne 3x (via Eagle)
Greenbrier 1x (via Eagle)
Greensboro 3x
Hartford/Springfield 3x
Houston Intercontinental 3x
Huntsville 3x
Indianapolis 3x
Jackson, MS 3x
Jacksonville 3x
Kansas City 3x
Knoxville 6x (via Eagle)
Lexington 6x (via Eagle)
Little Rock 3x
Los Angeles 3x
Louisville 3x
Memphis 3x
Meridian 3x (via Eagle)
Miami 3x
Milwaukee 3x
Mobile 3x
Montgomery 5x (via Eagle)
New York LaGuardia 3x
Newark 3x
Norfolk 3x
Orlando 3x
Owensboro 3x (via Eagle)
Paducah 3x (via Eagle)
Pensacola 3x
Peoria 3x (via Eagle)
Philadelphia 3x
Phoenix 2x
Raleigh 4x
Richmond 3x
Saint Louis 3x
San Antonio 2x
San Diego 2x
San Francisco 2x
San Juan 1x
South Bend 3x (via Eagle)
Springfield, IL 3x (via Eagle)
Tallahassee 3x (via Eagle)
Tampa 3x
Toronto 3x
Tri-City Airport 3x (via Eagle)
Tupelo 3x (via Eagle)
Tuscaloosa 3x
Washington National 3x

More to come shortly.....

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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:39 am

One good source of informaiton would be AMR annual reports from the early and mid 80s, when the hubs were being created. I remember there being a fair amount of detail about the hubs as the terminals were built and service was started.

When an airline has multiple hubs, each hub is supposed to have a specific role. For AA, ORD is supposed to connect cities in the upper Midwest (Michigan, Indiana, Illinois, Iowa, and Wisconsin) to the network, as well as handle east-west connections.

DFW is supposed to connect cities in Texas and the states bordering Texas to the network, as well as handle northeast-west connections.

RDU was supposed to handle traffic from the Northeast, Midwest, and West, connecting to Florida, while RDU was supposed to handle traffic from the Northeast, Midwest, and West, connecting to cities in the Southeast. The problem was, initially, that both hubs tended to duplicate each other. I know people that connected to Florida via BNA, and AA flew to a number of cities in the Southeast, such as GSP and ATL, from RDU.

I think there were several factors that contributed to the closing of BNA. There was the general downturn in the airline industry. The opening of MIA certainly reduced the need for Florida connections through BNA. A number of cities in the Southeast could be reached via ORD and/or DFW. Also, Nashville is a much smaller metropolitan area than Chicago and Dallas-Ft. Worth. AA learned that a hub airport needs to have a fairly substantial amount of O&D traffic to make it profitable. In terms of percentages, the O&D traffic for Nashville was much lower than ORD and DFW. I don't know how O&D compared for MIA. MIA is kind of unique, because AA became the dominant carrier for U.S. traffic going to Latin America and the western Carribbean.

Then there is the fact that there are a lot of hubs in and around the Southeast. Besides AA, DL had ATL and CVG. NW had MEM and DTW. US had CLT, BWI, PHL, and PIT. TW had STL. CO had EWR, CLE, and IAH. UA had ORD and IAD, although IAD tended to focus on traffic on the east coast. HP had CMH, but I think HP tried to make CMH more of an east-west hub.

All of these hubs had service to some or all of the Southeastern and Florida cities that BNA served. AA eventually decided that it could make do with ORD, DFW, and MIA handling traffic that had gone through BNA, and that it would focus on regions of the country that it had served for much longer.

A friend of mine is a pilot with AA, based out of ORD. Back in the early 90s, he was a 727 F/O and flew a lot through BNA and RDU. He liked both airports, because they weren't as frenetic as ORD and DFW.
 
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Tue Nov 13, 2007 3:29 pm

Effective April 4, 1993:

Asheville 5x (via Eagle)
Atlanta 4x (via Eagle)
Augusta, GA 3x (via Eagle)
Baltimore 3x
Baton Rouge 3x
Birmingham 3x
Bloomington, IL 3x (via Eagle)
Boston 3x
Champaign 3x (via Eagle)
Charleston, SC 3x (via Eagle)
Charlotte 3x (via Eagle)
Chattanooga 6x (via Eagle)
Cincinnati 6x (via Eagle)
Cleveland 3x
Columbia 3x (via Eagle)
Columbus, GA 3x (via Eagle)
Columbus, MS 4x (via Eagle)
Columbus, OH 3x (via Eagle)
Dallas/Fort Worth 8x
Dayton 3x (via Eagle)
Denver 2x
Detroit 3x
Evansville 6x (via Eagle)
Fayetteville, AR 3x (via Eagle)
Fort Lauderdale 3x
Fort Myers 2x
Fort Smith 3x (via Eagle)
Fort Walton Beach 5x (via Eagle)
Fort Wayne 3x (via Eagle)
Greensboro 2x (mainline); 1x (via Eagle)
Greenville/Spartanburg 3x (via Eagle)
Gulfport 4x (via Eagle)
Hartford/Springfield 1x
Houston Hobby 3x
Houston Intercontinental 3x
Huntsville 3x
Indianapolis 2x (mainline); 1x (via Eagle)
Jackson, MS 2x (mainline); 1x (via Eagle)
Kansas City 3x
Knoxville 6x (via Eagle)
Lexington 6x (via Eagle)
Little Rock 3x
Los Angeles 3x
Louisville 2x (mainline); 1x Eagle
Memphis 3x
Miami 3x
Milwaukee 3x
Mobile 3x
Montgomery 6x (via Eagle)
New Orleans 3x
New York LaGuardia 4x
Newark 3x
Norfolk 3x
Orlando 3x
Owensboro 5x (via Eagle)
Paducah 5x (via Eagle)
Panama City, FL 5x (via Eagle)
Pensacola 6x (via Eagle)
Peoria 3x (via Eagle)
Phoenix 2x
Raleigh 3x
Richmond 2x
Saint Louis 3x
San Antonio 2x
San Diego 2x
San Juan 1x
South Bend 5x (via Eagle)
Springfield, IL 3x (via Eagle)
Tallahassee 4x (via Eagle)
Tampa 3x
Toledo 4x (via Eagle)
Toronto 3x
Tri-City Airport 5x (via Eagle)
Tupelo 5x (via Eagle)
Tuscaloosa 3x (via Eagle)
Washington National 3x
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:37 pm

What hurt RDU the most was US Air....for instance AA's flights to LGA/BOS/DCA ddint depart until say 9am, after the arrivals from Florida and the rest of the SE...problem is US served these cities at 7am...Also the flights into RDU at 8am from Florida were quite empty.


RDU's pull down was the opposite from Eagle...Eagle pulled out first, then mainline. At BNA is was mainline that pulled down first then Eagle.

I believe both hubs were opened in 1986 or 1987
 
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RE: Nashville Hub/AA Question

Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:46 pm

OAG Dec 1989

Arriving From Airline Flight Departs Arrives Meal Equipment Frequency

Asheville, NC American Eagle AA 4627 7:30am 7:45am SWM Daily
Asheville, NC American Eagle AA 4629 12:45pm 1:00pm SWM Daily
Asheville, NC American Eagle AA 4631 6:00pm 6:15pm SWM Daily

Atlanta, GA American AA 974 7:53am 7:56am S/ M80 Daily
Atlanta, GA American AA 604 12:47pm 12:50pm 72S Daily
Atlanta, GA American AA 437 6:13pm 6:18pm 72S Daily


Baltimore, MD American AA 941 8:05am 9:07am B M80 Daily
Baltimore, MD American AA 1323 1:13pm 2:12pm L/S M80 Daily
Baltimore, MD American AA 485 6:35pm 7:32pm D M80 Daily

Baton Rouge, LA American AA 1212 6:32am 7:54am S 72S Daily
Baton Rouge, LA American AA 1190 11:34am 12:56pm 72S Daily
Baton Rouge, LA American AA 530 5:05pm 6:32pm S M80 Daily


Birmingham, AL American AA 916 7:09am 8:02am M80 Daily
Birmingham, AL American AA 896 12:06pm 12:55pm M80 Daily
Birmingham, AL American AA 1138 5:37pm 6:28pm 72S Daily

Boston, MA American AA 593 7:15am 9:14am B M80 Daily
Boston, MA American AA 1057 12:26pm 2:22pm L M80 Daily
Boston, MA American AA 973 5:55pm 8:01pm D M80 Daily


Chattanooga, TN American AA 1009 8:00am 7:39am M80 Daily
Chattanooga, TN American AA 597 12:23pm 12:03pm 72S Daily
Chattanooga, TN American AA 639 6:34pm 6:17pm M80 Daily


Chicago, IL O'Hare American AA 967 7:35am 9:04am S 72S Daily
Chicago, IL O'Hare American AA 249 12:36pm 2:11pm S 72S Daily
Chicago, IL O'Hare American AA 327 6:29pm 7:52pm S 72S Daily
Chicago, IL O'Hare American AA 1228 8:15pm 9:45am M80 Daily

Cincinnati, OH American Eagle AA 4482 8:33am 8:48am SWM Daily



Cincinnati, OH American Eagle AA 4407 1:25pm 1:40pm SWM Daily
Cincinnati, OH American Eagle AA 4405 7:35pm 7:50pm SWM Daily


Cleveland, OH American AA 839 8:32am 9:12am S M80 Daily
Cleveland, OH American AA 483 1:29pm 2:03pm S M80 Daily
Cleveland, OH American AA 551 7:26pm 8:04pm S M80 Daily

Columbus, GA American Eagle AA 4421 7:45am 8:04am SWM Daily
Columbus, GA American Eagle AA 4423 12:35pm 12:54pm SWM Daily
Columbus, GA American Eagle AA 4425 6:01pm 6:20pm SWM Daily

Columbus, OH American Eagle AA 4626 8:35am 9:15am SWM Daily
Columbus, OH American Eagle AA 4493 1:15pm 1:55pm SWM Daily
Columbus, OH American Eagle AA 4425 7:20pm 8:00pm SWM Daily

Columbus/Starkville, MS American Eagle AA 4436 6:43am 7:58am SWM Daily
Columbus/Starkville, MS American Eagle AA 4440 5:27pm 6:37am SWM Daily


Arriving From Airline Flight Departs Arrives Meal Equipment Frequency

Dallas/Fort Worth, TX American AA 258 6:52am 8:30am B M80 Daily
Dallas/Fort Worth, TX American AA 1280 8:25am 10:14am B 72S Daily
Dallas/Fort Worth, TX American AA 1086 12:59pm 2:39pm L 72S Daily
Dallas/Fort Worth, TX American AA 1406 2:41pm 4:26pm M80 Daily
Dallas/Fort Worth, TX American AA 352 6:21pm 7:15pm S M80 Daily
Dallas/Fort Worth, TX American AA 440 8:03pm 9:44pm 72S Daily


Dayton, OH American Eagle AA 4422 8:37am 9:10am SWM Daily
Dayton, OH American Eagle AA 4428 1:20pm 1:53pm SWM Daily
Dayton, OH American Eagle AA 4426 7:17pm 7:50pm SWM Daily

Detroit, MI Metro American AA 1303 8:30am 9:09am S 72S Daily
Detroit, MI Metro American AA 1039 1:36pm 2:18pm M80 Daily
Detroit, MI Metro American AA 641 7:18pm 7:53pm S M80 Daily

Evansville, IN American Eagle AA 4610 7:59am 8:54am SWM Daily
Evansville, IN American Eagle AA 4612 1:15pm 2:10pm SWM Daily
Evansville, IN American Eagle AA 4472 5:30pm 6:25pm SWM Daily

Fort Wayne, IN American Eagle AA 4509 8:26am 9:01am SWM Daily
Fort Wayne, IN American Eagle AA 4511 1:18pm 1:53pm SWM Daily
Fort Wayne, IN American Eagle AA 4513 7:18pm 7:53pm SWM Daily

Houston, TX Intercontinental American AA 1278 6:20am 8:01am B 72S Daily
Houston, TX Intercontinental American AA 1282 11:01am 12:42pm L 72S Daily
Houston, TX Intercontinental American AA 582 4:37pm 6:16pm S 72S Daily

Huntsville/Decatur, AL American AA 444 7:19am 8:00am M80 Daily
Huntsville/Decatur, AL American AA 566 12:03pm 12:43pm M80 Daily
Huntsville/Decatur, AL American AA 1334 5:40pm 6:27pm M80 Daily

Indianapolis, IN American Eagle AA 4620 8:55am 9:15am SWM Daily
Indianapolis, IN American Eagle AA 4622 1:51pm 2:11pm SWM Daily
Indianapolis, IN American Eagle AA 4624 7:33pm 7:53pm SWM Daily

Jackson, MS American AA 350 6:44am 7:52am S/ 72S Daily
Jackson, MS American AA 980 11:43am 12:51pm M80 Daily
Jackson, MS American AA 1068 5:19pm 6:29pm M80 Daily

Knoxville, TN American Eagle AA 4410 8:03am 7:58am SWM Daily
Knoxville, TN Northwest NW 1444 8:40am 8:20am D9S Daily
Knoxville, TN American Eagle AA 4485 9:15am 9:10am SWM Daily
Knoxville, TN American Eagle AA 4402 12:45pm 12:40pm SWM Daily
Knoxville, TN American Eagle AA 4471 2:10pm 2:05pm SWM Daily
Knoxville, TN American Eagle AA 4404 6:30pm 6:25pm SWM Daily
Knoxville, TN American Eagle AA 4489 8:05pm 8:00pm SWM Daily

Lexington, KY American Eagle AA 4571 8:46am 8:46am SWM Daily
Lexington, KY American Eagle AA 4529 1:49pm 1:49pm SWM Daily
Lexington, KY American Eagle AA 4591 7:33pm 7:33pm SWM Daily

Little Rock, AR American AA 132 6:50am 7:53am S/ M80 Daily
Little Rock, AR American AA 914 11:49am 12:52pm M80 Daily
Little Rock, AR American AA 140 5:21pm 6:25pm M80 Daily

Los Angeles, CA American AA 946 6:50am 12:49pm B M80 Daily
Los Angeles, CA American AA 1222 12:26pm 6:21pm L M80 Daily

Louisville, KY American Eagle AA 4635 8:56am 8:51am SWM Daily
Louisville, KY American Eagle AA 4628 1:41pm 1:36pm SWM Daily
Louisville, KY American Eagle AA 4527 7:26pm 7:21pm SWM Daily

Memphis, TN American AA 1448 7:00am 7:53am M80 Daily
Memphis, TN American AA 398 11:53am 12:45pm M80 Daily
Memphis, TN American AA 961 5:28pm 6:19pm M80 Daily

Miami, FL American AA 348 6:36am 7:59am B 72S Daily
Miami, FL American AA 1192 11:25am 12:56pm L 72S Daily

Milwaukee, WI American AA 1017 7:34am 9:10am B M80 Daily
Milwaukee, WI American AA 879 12:34pm 2:07pm L M80 Daily
Milwaukee, WI American AA 327 6:29pm 7:55pm D 72S Daily

From Airline Flight Departs Arrives Meal Equipment Frequency

Mobile, AL/Pascagoula, MS American AA 1330 6:36am 7:55am S/ M80 Daily
Mobile, AL/Pascagoula, MS American AA 46 11:43am 12:58pm 72S Daily
Mobile, AL/Pascagoula, MS American AA 590 5:04pm 6:18pm 72S Daily

Montgomery, AL American Eagle AA 4500 6:39am 7:58am SWM Daily
Montgomery, AL American Eagle AA 4502 11:35am 12:54pm J31 Daily
Montgomery, AL American Eagle AA 4614 4:56pm 6:15pm J31 Daily

New Orleans, LA American AA 188 6:35am 7:57am S 72S Daily
New Orleans, LA American AA 948 11:21am 12:47pm M80 Daily
New Orleans, LA American AA 346 5:06pm 6:36pm M80 Daily

New York, NY Kennedy American AA 47 6:15pm 7:59pm D 72S Daily

New York, NY LaGuardia American AA 1255 7:40am 9:15am B 72S Daily
New York, NY LaGuardia American AA 253 12:40pm 2:15pm L 72S Daily
New York, NY LaGuardia American AA 675 6:15pm 7:54pm D 72S Daily

Newark, NJ American AA 1283 7:48am 9:10am B 72S Daily
Newark, NJ American AA 1275 12:49pm 2:20pm L M80 Daily
Newark, NJ American AA 1105 6:27pm 8:02pm D M80 Daily

Orlando, FL American AA 1045 7:03am 7:58am B M80 Daily
Orlando, FL American AA 1308 11:56am 12:53pm L M80 Daily
Orlando, FL American AA 934 5:20pm 6:24pm D M80 Daily

Owensboro, KY American Eagle AA 4470 7:10am 8:05am SWM Daily
Owensboro, KY American Eagle AA 4486 12:50pm 12:45pm SWM Daily
Owensboro, KY American Eagle AA 4463 5:25pm 6:20pm SWM Daily

Paducah, KY American Eagle AA 4530 6:55am 7:50am SWM Daily
Paducah, KY American Eagle AA 4550 11:50am 12:45pm SWM Daily
Paducah, KY American Eagle AA 4570 5:30pm 6:25pm SWM Daily

Philadelphia, PA American AA 1159 8:00am 9:18am B M80 Daily
Philadelphia, PA American AA 907 12:50pm 2:10pm L M80 Daily
Philadelphia, PA American AA 949 6:50pm 8:07pm D M80 Daily

Raleigh/Durham, NC American AA 469 8:39am 9:16am B 72S Daily
Raleigh/Durham, NC American AA 1211 3:35pm 4:16pm 72S Daily
Raleigh/Durham, NC American AA 35 7:25pm 8:00pm S 72S Daily

San Juan, PR American AA 680 4:00pm 6:30pm D 72S Daily

South Bend, IN American Eagle AA 4515 8:20am 9:05am J31 Daily
South Bend, IN American Eagle AA 4517 1:10pm 1:55pm SWM Daily
South Bend, IN American Eagle AA 4519 6:48pm 7:44pm J31 Daily

Tampa, FL American AA 1206 7:02am 7:50am B 72S Daily
Tampa, FL American AA 162 11:56am 12:44pm L 72S Daily
Tampa, FL American AA 1050 5:37pm 6:31pm D 72S Daily

Toronto, ON American AA 325 8:00am 9:17am B 72S Daily
Toronto, ON American AA 903 12:54pm 2:09pm L 72S Daily
Toronto, ON American AA 821 6:43pm 7:57pm D 72S Daily

Tri-City Airport, TN American Eagle AA 4465 7:30am 7:50am SWM Daily
Tri-City Airport, TN American Eagle AA 4451 1:35pm 1:55pm SWM Daily
Tri-City Airport, TN American Eagle AA 4504 5:55pm 6:15pm SWM Daily

Tupelo, MS American Eagle AA 4520 6:58am 7:58am SWM Daily
Tupelo, MS American Eagle AA  4581 11:40am 12:40pm SWM Daily
Tupelo, MS American Eagle AA 4522 5:37pm 6:37pm SWM Daily

Tuscaloosa, AL American Eagle AA 4443 11:50am 1:00pm SWM Daily

Washington, DC National American AA 1333 8:16am 9:15am B M80 Daily
Washington, DC National American AA 1213 1:15pm 2:17pm S 72S Daily
Washington, DC National American AA 1181 7:00pm 8:05pm D M80 Daily