nwab787techops
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NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:24 am

Flight 68 DTW-AMS is going to a B747-400 next summer....
 
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:34 am

Seriously? Wow, im gonna definitely have to use my flying benefits and hop on that one. Is it daily, and where did you find this info at?
 
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:37 am

Here's the proof!!!



Finally I'm no longer forced to fly a faux (Boeing) heavy transatlantic out of here.

Now give me the 777, KLM.  goodvibes 
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:45 am

Not bad at all! Thats awesome news, i sure hope it lasts long enough. And it's right around my birthday, too! I'll take 2 days off, pack a change of clothes n stuff, hop on the flight there and hop on it back. Looks like i'd only be waiting 3.5 hours for the return flight anyway.
 
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 4:54 am

This was initially mentioned in another thread in the proposed AMS slot allocation.

NWA.com is indeed showing a 744 on 67/68 for next summer, and it is also showing KLM 617/618 A332 for next summer too.

However the DTW-AMS schedule currently is showing some oddities - leading me to believe they are still playing with things. Eastbound is showing 4x daily (2x NW 333, 1x NW 744, 1x KLM 332). Westbound is showing 5x daily (2x NW 333, 1x 744, 1x KLM 332, 1x "n/a" or sometimes a 757). It appears as if an Eastbound flight is currently missing.

NW 53/54 appears to have been replaced by KLM since it is gone from the schedule and the KLM flight is nearly at the same time.

Talk about a hodge-podge of aircraft on this route once again. After they finally got it to all A330, now with a mix of A330's, 744, 752, and KLM - offering a very inconsistant product, particularly in coach. For Y pax the A330 offers the by far the best product. WBC on the 744 & A330 is essentially the same, but the 752 is significantly less.

FYI.....
MEM-AMS has been upgraded to an A330-300 for next summer, as the A332 will be used to launch PDX-AMS.
 
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:05 am

Where does the relocated DTW-FRA A330 go?
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centrair
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:16 am

Where is this 744 coming from?

What is changing in the Pacific?
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:37 am

Well its hard to say what that 744 is doing,.

Quoting Indy (Reply 5):
Where does the relocated DTW-FRA A330 go?

PARS is no longer showing a second daily flight to Frankfurt, why I don't know with bookings looking promising for both flights as of about two months ago some of the summer flights were already 70% full for both flights on the same day.

With that said however, the summer schedule is not set until early next year, so look for a lot to still change.
 
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:00 am

Quoting Indy (Reply 5):
Where does the relocated DTW-FRA A330 go?

My guess is the new MSP-CDG route.
 
SiouxATC
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:22 am

Awesome news

NW havent had a 744 on this route since '02-'03 I think?

Quoting Centrair (Reply 6):
Where is this 744 coming from?

What is changing in the Pacific?

I am wondering that myself, it will be interesting to see.
 
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:57 am

Excellent for next "summer spotting" in AMS !!!  Cool  Cool

FB.
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:08 am

Quoting SiouxATC (Reply 9):
I am wondering that myself, it will be interesting to see.

Right now I am finding some minor changes.

Maybe they are just utilizing the 744 that is on spare in DTW? But wouldn't that be kind of risky?
Wasn't NRT-PEK going to go to a 744 and that A332 be moved to start PDX-AMS?

As PSU.DTW.SCE has said,

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 4):
they are still playing with things.

This makes me wonder if NW is going to be using more 757s next summer on AMS and other Europe routes and moving some A333s around in the Pacific?

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 10):
Excellent for next "summer spotting" in AMS !!!

Great for spotters....Not so great for those in Y expecting the A330 Y product. I think it is about time NW upgrades the 744 Y class to the A330 Y or introduce a New Y to conicide with the 787s. At least flying DTW-AMS in Y is only half as long as Japan-DTW and much of it is at night. I go crazy flying NGO-DTW (11 hours of strained neck).

[Edited 2007-11-11 23:12:57]
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:33 am

Quoting Centrair (Reply 11):
Maybe they are just utilizing the 744 that is on spare in DTW? But wouldn't that be kind of risky?
Wasn't NRT-PEK going to go to a 744 and that A332 be moved to start PDX-AMS?

I noticed that too, I also thought that NRT-PEK was going to a 744, and as you stated that would free up the 332 for PDX-AMS coming at the begining of the year.

I'm sure that we will continue to see tweeks in the schedule before the summer timetable comes out, which wont be for a couple of months.

Quoting Flying Belgian (Reply 10):
Excellent for next "summer spotting" in AMS !!!

FB.

No kidding. DTW is going to be interesting too.
 
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:41 am

Saw the AMS bound 747-400 in DTW tonite when coming back out to LAX. I was a little shocked to see it as I thought the 747's were off that route.
 
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:21 am

Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 4):
FYI.....
MEM-AMS has been upgraded to an A330-300 for next summer,

No surprise there, I think that's a trend with NW for that route. I took an A333 on the reverse leg in May.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 11):
I think it is about time NW upgrades the 744 Y class to the A330 Y or introduce a New Y to conicide with the 787s.

Indeed, this is overdue. It's bad enough the inconsistencies exist between the 744's and A330's, but once the 787's role around the jumbo's inferior product will really standout.
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:44 am

Interesting if they decide to send the 747 back on routes to Europe. Maybe they are checking the demand before a possible A380/747-8I purchase.
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 1:45 pm

Quoting Indy (Reply 5):
Where does the relocated DTW-FRA A330 go?

The second daily DTW-FRA A333 -> MSP-CDG A333
MEM-AMS A332 -> PDX-AMS A332
NW 67/68 A333 -> MEM-AMS A333
Spare 744 -> NW 67/68 DTW-AMS 744

Quoting Centrair (Reply 6):
Where is this 744 coming from?

What is changing in the Pacific?

There has been at least 1 or 2 unallocated 744's since the re-shuffle in the Pacific last summer, since KIX-HNL when from a 744 - > A330-300. Additional, NW was prepared to launch DTW-China service if needed. This answers part of the question regarding where the extra 744's were going to go next summer.

Quoting SiouxATC (Reply 9):
NW havent had a 744 on this route since '02-'03 I think?

Correct. At that time it continued on to AMS-BOM, which still appears to be a A330-200 for now.

Quoting Centrair (Reply 11):
Wasn't NRT-PEK going to go to a 744 and that A332 be moved to start PDX-AMS?

That was a consideration, but that isn't happening since the A332 is coming from MEM-AMS.

Quoting JKJ777 (Reply 13):
Saw the AMS bound 747-400 in DTW tonite when coming back out to LAX. I was a little shocked to see it as I thought the 747's were off that route.

DTW-AMS is not operating with a 744 until June '08. What you saw is the 744 that RON's nightly in DTW for the Asia flights.
 
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:30 pm

My first 747 flight was on NW from DTW-AMS. Almost brings tears to my eyes that the 744 is returning to this route.
 
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 7:29 pm

Next summer, NW will be stupid not to send its biggest aircraft to PEK.
 
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 8:24 pm

Quoting ZL (Reply 18):
Next summer, NW will be stupid not to send its biggest aircraft to PEK.

NW execs know where their planes will make the most money for them. NW has always done well with fleet utlization.
 
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:02 pm

Quoting ZL (Reply 18):
Next summer, NW will be stupid not to send its biggest aircraft to PEK.

NWA has already tried sending its largest aircraft to PEK before and it lost money doing it. The loads were full!
 
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:04 pm

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 20):
NWA has already tried sending its largest aircraft to PEK before and it lost money doing it. The loads were full!

Next year the olympics will be in PEK, that should change matters a bit.
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:24 pm

This is pretty cool .. first time I flew on a B744 was NW68 DTW-AMS ( N675NW) back in April of 2003. I would take a B744 across the ocean any day.
NW B744 B742 B753 B752 A333 A332 A320 A319 DC10 DC9 ARJ CRJ S340
 
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:09 pm

Quoting Nwab787techops (Thread starter):
Flight 68 DTW-AMS is going to a B747-400 next summer....

How unfortunate.

Spend 8 hours cramped inside with no IFE but a giant screen upfront. I thought those days of crossing the Atlantic like that were gone with the last DC-10. NW REALLY needs to upgrade their 747's. At least with the new 757 service heading over, they give you more legroom, and small screens throughout the aircraft to at least attempt to watch a movie. I'll be avoiding this flight next time I head over.
 
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:18 pm

Quoting Lobster (Reply 23):
How unfortunate.

Spend 8 hours cramped inside with no IFE but a giant screen upfront. I thought those days of crossing the Atlantic like that were gone with the last DC-10. NW REALLY needs to upgrade their 747's. At least with the new 757 service heading over, they give you more legroom, and small screens throughout the aircraft to at least attempt to watch a movie. I'll be avoiding this flight next time I head over.

Just off the top of your head, what % of aircraft on all airlines crossing the Atlantic today have IFE? How can they stand the ordeal the poor souls?
 
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:20 pm

Quoting Lobster (Reply 23):
How unfortunate.

Spend 8 hours cramped inside with no IFE but a giant screen upfront. I thought those days of crossing the Atlantic like that were gone with the last DC-10. NW REALLY needs to upgrade their 747's

At least with the AMS service, you should have plenty of options next summer, with five daily rotations . . . NW332/333, KL332/772, NW757
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:31 pm

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 24):
ust off the top of your head, what % of aircraft on all airlines crossing the Atlantic today have IFE? How can they stand the ordeal the poor souls?

And I care about other airlines why? Seeing as I try to fly NW as much as I can, I only care about what product NW is offering me. If I decide that I don't like their particular product ie... 747 service with no IFE and no plug in for my laptop, I won't book a ticket on it. Pretty simple eh? NW is doing a disservice to its customers by not upgrading its aircraft. This isn't 1985 anymore, people pay alot of money for fares and expect a quality, consistent product. Going from new A330 to old 747 is not consistent.
 
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:34 pm

Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 16):
DTW-AMS is not operating with a 744 until June '08. What you saw is the 744 that RON's nightly in DTW for the Asia flights.

Oh well......The 747 was parked at gate A 26 with the computer screen at gate 26 saying the bird was going to FRA later that evening. I mis typed AMS instead of FRA. My fault.....
 
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:40 pm

Quoting Lobster (Reply 23):
Spend 8 hours cramped inside with no IFE but a giant screen upfront.

We live in a time where so many people have laptop computers and devices like ipods and portable dvd players are cheap. Is IFE all that important?
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Mon Nov 12, 2007 11:54 pm

Quoting Lobster (Reply 26):
and no plug in for my laptop,

Read my last post. I'd take a plug-in for my laptop over IFE. But 747 gives me neither. It's time to upgrade.
 
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:25 am

Quoting Petertenthije (Reply 21):
Next year the olympics will be in PEK, that should change matters a bit.

Don't think so. There were no aircraft upgrades for Athens, Salt Lake City, Sydney, Atlanta or other olympics. PEK is in the news a lot becasue it is in China which will host its first olympics ever! China anticipates tourists for the olympics but so did the other places. There are limited event tickets and those people will travel. Other than that people will watch the olympics on TV. Plus it is only 10 days of upgraded lift. Waste.

Now... if China were hosting the the World Cup, might be different. Japan had a big boost in pax numbers when it co-hosted the World cup with Korea. But after it was all over...the numbers went back to normal.
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:52 am

Now the DTW-DUS flight has no allotted aircraft type. It says just N/A, so maybe DTW will stop being the 757 to europe hub that we thought was developing there. The NWA route system now lists the KLM flight as well as the 747400 to AMS from DTW. Interesting to see how many seats there will be daily between DTW and AMS. I thought NW had a good thing with the service commonality on flights to Europe. When the 757's were introduced, it changed a bit, but levels were pretty high since those craft were refurbished. I'm quite saddened that NW would tarnish it's good transatlantic service by deploying an old 747 on the route. It will really create a rift amongst their product. Good though that KLM will b
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:26 pm

Apparently NW/KL still appears to be unable to make up their minds.

NW 67

Depart (AMS): 10:10
Arrive (DTW): 12:50
Equipment: A330

NW 68

Depart (DTW): 17:45
Arrive (AMS): 7:35 +1
Equipment: A330

A bit unfortunate seeing that it was my only chance to fly a real Boeing heavy transatlantic from DTW.

Also it appears that NW 47 is the 75W while NW 48 is the A330. Perhaps it's the alternation of the BDL, EWR and BOS flights with the DUS flight out of DTW, now that DUS is the only 75W flight out of here.
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:15 pm

LHboyatDTW,

Not sure on the timeframe you are looking at, but just doing a quick check on nwa.com shows there is indeed still a 744 on DTW-AMS next summer.

The schedule as follows:

DTW-AMS
NW 40 DTW AMS 1610 0555 333
NW 68 DTW AMS 1720 0700 744
NW 36 DTW AMS 1905 0905 757
KL 618 DTW AMS 2040 1035 332
NW 48 DTW AMS 2130 1125 333

AMS-DTW
NW 39 AMS DTW 0800 1035 333
NW 67 AMS DTW 1030 1250 744
NW 47 AMS DTW 1145 1435 757
NW 35 AMS DTW 1310 1555 333
KL 617 AMS DTW 1520 1805 332

Note that the 75W flights are NW 36 eastbound and NW 47 westbound. This is to swap aircraft with the BOS/BDL/EWR aircraft. Last summer, the DTW-AMS 757 flight left after 9pm, but they moved it up this year due to other equipment adjustments.

DTW-DUS is showing n/a though, but it will still likely be a 757.
 
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:19 pm

Eff. 31May. Great news. That flight flew with B744 equipment for several years at least.

NW 068 JCZIYBMHQVLTK DTWAMS 1720 0700+1 747 0 M 31MAY
 
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RE: NWA B747-400 DTW-AMS

Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:11 pm



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 34):
Eff. 31May.



Quoting DTW.SCE" class=quote target=_blank>PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 33):
LHboyatDTW,

Not sure on the timeframe you are looking at, but just doing a quick check on nwa.com shows there is indeed still a 744 on DTW-AMS next summer.

The schedule as follows:

DTW-AMS
NW 40 DTW AMS 1610 0555 333
NW 68 DTW AMS 1720 0700 744
NW 36 DTW AMS 1905 0905 757
KL 618 DTW AMS 2040 1035 332
NW 48 DTW AMS 2130 1125 333

AMS-DTW
NW 39 AMS DTW 0800 1035 333
NW 67 AMS DTW 1030 1250 744
NW 47 AMS DTW 1145 1435 757
NW 35 AMS DTW 1310 1555 333
KL 617 AMS DTW 1520 1805 332

oops

I guess I made the mistake of looking at around the first week of May while looking for flights to CPH. I think I'll stay in a corner and pop out if anything interesting changes with our AMS flights.  embarrassed   footinmouth 
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