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Aeromexico To BCN, Any News?

Mon Nov 12, 2007 6:27 pm

I checked on AMs website for a MEX-BCN flight from Dec. 15 to Dec. 21 and a rather expensive connection through CDG is the only flight that showed up. Is AM really going to start flights to Barcelona?
 
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RE: Aeromexico To BCN, Any News?

Mon Nov 12, 2007 9:13 pm

I think so.

Perhaps AM's website doesn't return the direct flight because the entire flight is booked or sold out, so you receive an alternative, MEX-CDG-BCN?

Sometimes when I book a flight to MAD (MEX-MAD, nonstop), the website shows the codeshare to CUN (MEX-CUN-MAD) with UX, but after several attempts, apparently some seats are put available (maybe from expiring reservations), letting me to select the nonstop flight.

You may want run further searches or select other dates.

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RE: Aeromexico To BCN, Any News?

Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:00 pm

Quoting AM744 (Thread starter):
a rather expensive connection through CDG is the only flight that showed up

try www.vueling.com for a cheap connection CDG -BCN
 
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RE: Aeromexico To BCN, Any News?

Mon Nov 12, 2007 10:01 pm

Barcelona tendrá a partir del 16 de diciembre un nuevo vuelo diario con México operado por Aeroméxico

BARCELONA, 12 (EUROPA PRESS).- El Comité de Desarrollo de Rutas Aéreas (CDRA), creado por la Generalitat, la Cámara de Comercio de Barcelona, el Ayuntamiento y Aena (entidad gestora de los aeropuertos españoles), presentó hoy el nuevo vuelo directo Barcelona-México D.F. de la compañía Aeroméxico que se empezará a operar el 16 de diciembre, según informó la Generalitat.

Then. Will start on 16 dec.
 
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RE: Aeromexico To BCN, Any News?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:11 pm

N776AM is now on service. AM "virtually" would have no prob at all. So... AM should be landing @ BCN on Dec 16th 2007.

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RE: Aeromexico To BCN, Any News?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:37 pm



Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 4):
N776AM is now on service. AM "virtually" would have no prob at all. So... AM should be landing @ BCN on Dec 16th 2007

So, what does the AM widebody fleet consist of?

2 brand new 772ER's (Frida and Diego)

2 second hand 772ER's (ex-PP-VRA and VRB) one of which has the old seats without AVOD

1 763ER XA-APB

and

How many 762ERs???
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RE: Aeromexico To BCN, Any News?

Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:18 pm



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 5):
2 brand new 772ER's (Frida and Diego)

2 second hand 772ER's (ex-PP-VRA and VRB) one of which has the old seats without AVOD

1 763ER XA-APB

and

How many 762ERs???

Don't they have (4) -200s and a sole 300???? I'm also asking

About BCN, great news now that its official.
 
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RE: Aeromexico To BCN, Any News?

Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:16 am



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 5):

And XA-TOJ, XA-OAM and XA-JBC. It's 4 and 4 for a total of 8. XA-TNS and XA-RVZ are the ones gone. And cross your fingers, a 5th B777 might come. AM must decide as late as Dec 07.

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RE: Aeromexico To BCN, Any News?

Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:33 am

For this new flight Aeromexico has on scheduale the 767-200 to operate twice a week and maybe later they will increase the frequencies or introduce the 777-200, but since now the 767-200 are confirm for dec. 16, 2007

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 7):
And XA-TOJ, XA-OAM and XA-JBC. It's 4 and 4 for a total of 8. XA-TNS and XA-RVZ are the ones gone. And cross your fingers, a 5th B777 might come. AM must decide as late as Dec 07.

You are right the actual wide body fleet of Aeromexico are 3 767-200, 1 767-300, 2 777-200 (new), 2 777-200 (used)
and Aeromexico are waiting for the 5th new 777 by the end of january.
 
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RE: Aeromexico To BCN, Any News?

Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:08 am

Are they still flying their MTY-MAD route?
 
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RE: Aeromexico To BCN, Any News?

Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:08 pm



Quoting AM744 (Thread starter):
I checked on AMs website for a MEX-BCN flight from Dec. 15 to Dec. 21 and a rather expensive connection through CDG is the only flight that showed up. Is AM really going to start flights to Barcelona?

HI AM744,

all the AM flights from BCN to MEX on Christmas period are fully booked. This is the reason you are unable to find return flights.

Regards,

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RE: Aeromexico To BCN, Any News?

Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:37 pm



Quoting AR385 (Reply 9):
Are they still flying their MTY-MAD route?

Yes they are. MEX-MTY-MAD twice a week with 767-200. There's a timetable in electronic format at AM's website.

Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 10):
HI AM744,

all the AM flights from BCN to MEX on Christmas period are fully booked. This is the reason you are unable to find return flights.

Too bad, but at least the route looks promising.
 
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RE: Aeromexico To BCN, Any News?

Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:53 pm



Quoting RAFVC10 (Reply 10):
all the AM flights from BCN to MEX on Christmas period are fully booked



Quoting AM744 (Reply 11):
Too bad, but at least the route looks promising.

AM needs this route to work, and they better start thinking about seriously launching a couple more international routes, because their domestic market share, along with MX's is plummeting. Its time to look more towards the outside.

source-ATWonline.com
AeroMexico, Mexicana contend with plummeting domestic market share
Wednesday November 14, 2007
Mexico's flag carriers AeroMexico and Mexicana have seen their share of the domestic market decline from 84% to 50% since 2000, Mexicana Chairman Gaston Azcarraga said last week at the ALTA conference in Cancun. Azcarraga, who also is chairman of the airline's parent company Grupo Posadas, noted that the country is served by 14 domestic airlines--"that's where the problem starts," he told attendees--and that "if this industry is going to make a profit, eventually it has to come through consolidation." Mexicana tried to help that process along by bidding for AeroMexico last month, but the competition authority rejected its bid (ATWOnline, Oct. 15).
 
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RE: Aeromexico To BCN, Any News?

Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:22 pm



Quoting Juventus (Reply 12):
AM needs this route to work, and they better start thinking about seriously launching a couple more international routes, because their domestic market share, along with MX's is plummeting. Its time to look more towards the outside.

I hear you. As has been said many times before by Ghost, et al. AM could easily have 10 777s for daily flights to MAD, CDG, LHR, Sao Paulo and probably EZE. (a daily 762 to JFK and a frequency increase to NRT would be nice too).
 
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RE: Aeromexico To BCN, Any News?

Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:03 pm

Would this 5th 777 be fresh from the factory?
 crossfingers 
 
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RE: Aeromexico To BCN, Any News?

Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:45 pm



Quoting Zetineitor737 (Reply 8):
You are right the actual wide body fleet of Aeromexico are 3 767-200, 1 767-300, 2 777-200 (new), 2 777-200 (used)

I didn't know AM had so few widebodies, I thought they had a bigger 767 fleet. I think it's time for Mexican carriers to grow their stake in the long haul market out of MEX. It's impressing how big airlines such as AM and MX in a big market like Mexico have few long haul planes. I think at least 10-15 widebodies would make more sense for the main longhaul carrier in Mexico.
 
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RE: Aeromexico To BCN, Any News?

Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:42 pm



Quoting Zetineitor737 (Reply 8):
Aeromexico are waiting for the 5th new 777 by the end of january.

So this seems quite certain then! Good news. I ask the same as Erik... will this be brand-new?

Quoting Juventus (Reply 12):
because their domestic market share, along with MX's is plummeting.

Well, MEX-FCO should be launched in early 2008 too, so this would be the fourth destination in Europe for AM!!!

By the way, would anybody happen to know if AM has been able to refit ex-PP-VRA with the new seats??? It is terrible that due to problems with the supplier of the seats, one of the members of AM's 777 family is flying with the old Clase Premier seats.
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RE: Aeromexico To BCN, Any News?

Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:32 pm

Quoting BSBIsland (Reply 15):
I didn't know AM had so few widebodies, I thought they had a bigger 767 fleet. I think it's time for Mexican carriers to grow their stake in the long haul market out of MEX.

I posted a thread about 4-5 months ago. Foreign carriers have anywhere from 70-75% of the total Int'l traffic in and out of Mexico. I'm sorry but MX and AM need to do something about this.

As far as the widebodies, AM has 4 767s, 4 777s, and 1 777pending. MX has two 767s (EZE run). For Mexico, the 8th most visited country in the world, and a population of 105 milion people, yes that's small.

I'm sorry to be negative tonight, back to the topic, good luck to AM on their BCN venture.

[Edited 2007-11-14 15:36:16]
 
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RE: Aeromexico To BCN, Any News?

Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:36 pm



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 16):
Well, MEX-FCO should be launched in early 2008 too, so this would be the fourth destination in Europe for AM!!!

That would be great strategy. Flying to untapped markets such as BCN, FCO or even ZRH could work. MEX-Europe is a BIG market that is taken by big American and European carriers via connections. Nonstops would work IMO.
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:56 pm

There are also some other cities in Mexico that could support nonstop international services. Even if seasonal. I know that during the summer months, you are hard pressed to find anything from MTY-CDG or ORY and that includes connections. The ones that immediately come to mind are MTY-CDG, MTY-FRA, MTY-GRU, GDL-MAD, MTY- Central America and all the various ones with CUN as starting point.
 
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RE: Aeromexico To BCN, Any News?

Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:00 am



Quoting Zetineitor737 (Reply 8):
For this new flight Aeromexico has on scheduale the 767-200 to operate twice a week and maybe later they will increase the frequencies or introduce the 777-200, but since now the 767-200 are confirm for dec. 16, 2007

Impossible! With the current B777 fleet is impossible to do this rotation, even with the 4th B777 which just started to see revenue 10 days ago.

Quoting Zetineitor737 (Reply 8):
You are right the actual wide body fleet of Aeromexico are 3 767-200, 1 767-300, 2 777-200 (new), 2 777-200 (used) and Aeromexico are waiting for the 5th new 777 by the end of january.

Not yet confirmed. AM must take a decision at the latest in Dec 07 and del of this new bird would be taking place by mid-late 08. As we speak Boeing is delivering LN +-670, ILFC's last B777-2Q8ER must be near the LN 7 something.

Quoting Juventus (Reply 17):
As far as the widebodies, AM has 4 767s, 4 777s, and 1 777pending. MX has two 767s (EZE run). For Mexico, the 8th most visited country in the world, and a population of 105 milion people, yes that's small.

I'm sorry to be negative tonight, back to the topic, good luck to AM on their BCN venture.

Pure facts... being realistic... not pessimistic.

Quoting AM744 (Reply 18):
That would be great strategy. Flying to untapped markets such as BCN, FCO or even ZRH could work. MEX-Europe is a BIG market that is taken by big American and European carriers via connections. Nonstops would work IMO.

Amen

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RE: Aeromexico To BCN, Any News?

Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:11 am

I got word today that AM is starting up Non-stop service from ORD-MEX sometime this month or next. An Airlines sales rep for AM called me today at the agency to let us know about it.

I thought they already had service in ORD, But, I was thinking of Mexicana.....

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RE: Aeromexico To BCN, Any News?

Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:58 am



Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 20):
With the current B777 fleet is impossible to do this rotation, even with the 4th B777 which just started to see revenue 10 days ago.

So where is this fourth 777 being deployed too? Are MAD and GRU finally all-777 routes? I hope ex-PP-VRB has the new seats, just like Diego and Frida.

Quoting DTWAGENT (Reply 21):
I got word today that AM is starting up Non-stop service from ORD-MEX sometime this month or next. An Airlines sales rep for AM called me today at the agency to let us know about it.

I thought they already had service in ORD, But, I was thinking of Mexicana...

But they do! There is flight AM 0682 and flight AM 0686!!! What gives?
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Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:45 am

Mexicana Mexicana... Where For Art Thou???

Anyway, congrats to AM! Way to go on the BCN flight, hope to catch it next summer!!! Big grin

Regards,

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Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:51 am

All of the following are just rumors, but here it goes:

As already stated, the next European destination to be launched is FCO. FCO is a natural choice because not only is there a big demand that remains untapped from Italy-Mexico, but it is also a Skyteam hub. However, it just might be launched as MEX-MTY-FCO. Not only would it pick up passengers in MTY, but it would allow the flight to go out at full capacity due to the weight restrictions impossed by MEX and the long distance of the flight.

The next long-haul international route will be MEX-TIJ-Shanghai. Just in time to transport all the demand from Mexico and many parts of Latin America to the 2008 Olympic games to be held in Beijing.

The new owners of AeroMexico are studying the expansion of new long distance routes to support their growth strategy of the company because the domestic market is practically stagnant with all the LLC. So you bet that AeroMexico will be turning more into a long distance airline service four different continents and proudly taking its name to places that its never been to before.

  LatinPlane

P.S. BTW, AR385, welcome back!

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Thu Nov 15, 2007 2:57 am



Quoting LatinPlane (Reply 24):
P.S. BTW, AR385, welcome back!

Thankyou very much. It's really good to be back! The controversy, the disagreements, the knowledge, oh how I missed it all!
 
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Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:05 am



Quoting LatinPlane (Reply 24):
However, it just might be launched as MEX-MTY-FCO. Not only would it pick up passengers in MTY, but it would allow the flight to go out at full capacity due to the weight restrictions impossed by MEX and the long distance of the flight.

Yes, I read this too at Ghost's forum, but I am still unsure about how I feel about it.

First... would a 767-200ER really be weight restricted? Wow!

Second, MTY is not a bad choice at all; as Mexico's second city and industrial centre, it can produce lots of high-yielding passengers. However, did AM consider CUN (demand for travel to CUN by Italians is HUGE), MIA (AM still has fifth freedom rights to Europe via MIA if I am not mistaken) or MAD (less impact to its limited widebody fleet and, assuming AM could secure fifth freedom rights, the promise of additional clientele) as stopovers?

Third, this is why AM needs more 772ERs!!! MEX-FCO deserves at least 4x weekly service with 777s!

Quoting LatinPlane (Reply 24):
The next long-haul international route will be MEX-TIJ-Shanghai. Just in time to transport all the demand from Mexico and many parts of Latin America to the 2008 Olympic games to be held in Beijing.

I read this too, but Ghost mentioned a few days ago that this is likely going to be shelved... he usually has good sources, so let's see what he tells us.
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Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:32 am



Quoting EddieDude (Reply 26):
First... would a 767-200ER really be weight restricted? Wow!

Second, MTY is not a bad choice at all; as Mexico's second city and industrial centre, it can produce lots of high-yielding passengers. However, did AM consider CUN (demand for travel to CUN by Italians is HUGE), MIA (AM still has fifth freedom rights to Europe via MIA if I am not mistaken) or MAD (less impact to its limited widebody fleet and, assuming AM could secure fifth freedom rights, the promise of additional clientele) as stopovers?

Third, this is why AM needs more 772ERs!!! MEX-FCO deserves at least 4x weekly service with 777s!

Yes, Eddie CUN would be the natural choice. In fact last time when AM flew to FCO (early 90s) one of the flights operated as MEX-CUN-MAD-FCO with a 763. However, CUN as you know is a long distance low-yield market for which AM doesn't cater to because it cannot compete with the low fare packages that are offered by the Italian charter airlines.

Secondly, it could be the case that they are planning on getting a 767-300, which as you also know is heavily restricted out of MEX. The thing is that MTY offers the posibility of collecting extra passengers, especially those business travelers from Monterrey that will be paying a premium for Clase Premier and for which can also connect to Alitalia's extensive European and Middle Eastern system.

A one stop in MTY is better than a connection at CDG, or MAD as AM will be the only airline on the route, so putting a 767 for the interim until it figures out what the deal is with its future widebody fleet makes perfect sense.

AM must have something like this up its sleave because a few days ago they sent one of their 777 to MTY to try out the facility for those big birds similarly as they did to TIJ before they started ops to NRT. Here's the footage of the 777 taking off from Monterrey's Int. airport.



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Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:06 am

Awesome video, Latinplane.

I do not know if they could fill a 777 type plane on routes out of MTY. They would certainly fill up a 762 or even a 763. But I agree. The trick would be taking adavantage of the high yield business market. As I mentioned earlier, there is a big number of business people currently using, for example, IAH and or DFW for connections to Europe out of MTY. Given this and other facts, I believe flights out of MTY to Europe would be successful.

[Edited 2007-11-15 00:13:14]

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Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:58 pm



Quoting AR385 (Reply 28):
As I mentioned earlier, there is a big number of business people currently using, for example, IAH and or DFW for connections to Europe out of MTY.

IAH, DFW, ATL, MIA, and the New York airports.

Mexico to Europe via CUN or MTY, hummm. MTY gives you business people, and no competition, CUN has the tourism, but a bunch of European charters.
 
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Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:41 pm

Seasonally, MTY gives you a lot of tourism traffic.
 
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Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:09 am



Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 20):
Impossible! With the current B777 fleet is impossible to do this rotation, even with the 4th B777 which just started to see revenue 10 days ago

I´m surprised why you are so sure about it, that information is official for the Aeromexico corp.

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 20):
Not yet confirmed. AM must take a decision at the latest in Dec 07 and del of this new bird would be taking place by mid-late 08. As we speak Boeing is delivering LN +-670, ILFC's last B777-2Q8ER must be near the LN 7 something.

As you said its not confirmed, but I could tell you that Aeromexico are starting the crew training for this new 777, they are sure what are they doing.
 
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Fri Nov 16, 2007 5:31 am



Quoting Zetineitor737 (Reply 31):
I´m surprised why you are so sure about it, that information is official for the Aeromexico corp.

Affecting frequencies from current routes. YES, then, not impossible. But, with a 5th, all would be totally different. And hopefully not only a 5th... we need 10 B767s and 10 B777s in AM. JJ and LA are over the 20th widebody and in 1992 AM original order in 1992 for 26 B757/767s in which only 15 were delivered., that order was for 12 B767-300ERs. Hopefully now this and more turns real.

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RE: Aeromexico To BCN, Any News?

Fri Nov 16, 2007 6:31 pm



Quoting Zetineitor737 (Reply 8):
You are right the actual wide body fleet of Aeromexico are 3 767-200, 1 767-300, 2 777-200 (new), 2 777-200 (used)
and Aeromexico are waiting for the 5th new 777 by the end of january.



Quoting LH498 (Reply 14):
Would this 5th 777 be fresh from the factory?

Boeing has 6 unidentified orders for 772, one of them with GE Engines:

Orders for October 2006 through October 2007



Hope this one is for AM, but don't quote me on this!

Quoting Ghost77 (Reply 20):
Not yet confirmed. AM must take a decision at the latest in Dec 07 and del of this new bird would be taking place by mid-late 08. As we speak Boeing is delivering LN -670, ILFC's last B777-2Q8ER must be near the LN 7 something.



Quoting Zetineitor737 (Reply 31):
As you said its not confirmed, but I could tell you that Aeromexico are starting the crew training for this new 777, they are sure what are they doing.

If the plane is due to be delivered by January, at least the MSN and LN would have been assigned, so this is just around the corner. Let's sit and wait  crossfingers  ...

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