EL-AL
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Changes In TLV Terminal 3

Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:23 am

Israel Airports Authority announced about a major change in Ben Gurion Airport International Terminal - Terminal 3.

The Terminal contains toady a shopping area called "bye and buy" and is known in it's Hebrew name "shakim". This area is located after the check in hall and before the security and border control, so everyone arriving to to terminal could enter it. The idea was to create a shopping center that will attract those who fly, their relatives that take them to the airport and stay with them till the border control (common phenomena in Israel), the airport employees, and to became a regional mall for the neighborhoods around the airport (Yahud, Neve Monoson etc).

Terminal 3 was opened on November 2nd 2004 and Shakim mall lost money ever since. Most of the stores there were not adjusted to young people, those who work at the airport, and the passengers themselves waited to the Duty free area to do the shopping. The parking in the airport cost money, unlike other malls around, so residents who do not fly didn't came to the airport just to do shopping. As the time passed most of the stores colsed dawn and the only part that was successful was the McDonald's restaurant.

According to the IAA, the hole area will be closed, except for a post office and 2 restaurants, and in the mall area new check in counters will be build to replace the check in area in floor G, the arriving floor.
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RE: Changes In TLV Terminal 3

Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:29 am



Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
check in counters will be build to replace the check in area in floor G,

Not too smart. They should build extra counters , not replace existing ones, to shorter the waiting time for the pax.
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RE: Changes In TLV Terminal 3

Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:13 am



Quoting EL-AL (Thread starter):
the mall area new check in counters will be build to replace the check in area in floor G, the arriving floor.

This is the LH,OS,LO check-in area, right ?

Quoting LY7E7 (Reply 1):
Not too smart. They should build extra counters , not replace existing ones, to shorter the waiting time for the pax.

That's one thing I've noticed at TLV - check-in lines are really short. This is because everyone is in the huge queue for security, and the trickle-through rate is very slow, so you never wait long at the actual check-in.

What they could do is build a bigger premium check-in area for LY - the current one is quite small.
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RE: Changes In TLV Terminal 3

Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:21 am

Weren't there also plans to get rid of all the suitcase screening / security equipment and introduce a automated system simmilar as found at ZRH or FRA and other places with modern luggage screening systems where the suitcasess are screened through automatically when processed after check in? This is also estetically nicer and I don't know why they didn't equip Terminal 3 with such a system as it is a completely new terminal.

I would assume this new Check in area could become the "Star Alliance" Check in area which would really include all airlines including LX as they are the only Star carier currently not getting checked in in the G area. Yes this mall was never a success, I mean why buy things there if your relatives can get you the same stuff a few steps after at cheaper prices in the duty free.

Nevertheless in long term if concourse A and E should be built to extend the termina more check in areas would be needed so it would be smart to keep the G area.
 
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RE: Changes In TLV Terminal 3

Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:21 pm

It will be nice to have LH check in on the main floor. I always forget to tell the taxi to go downstairs because they always go upstairs given th most departures are upstairs. The Buy and bye was never a success. I am glad to see that they are putting the area to good use.
 
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RE: Changes In TLV Terminal 3

Tue Nov 13, 2007 1:26 pm



Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 2):
This is the LH,OS,LO check-in area, right ?

Yes, it is.

Quoting JGPH1A (Reply 2):
That's one thing I've noticed at TLV - check-in lines are really short. This is because everyone is in the huge queue for security, and the trickle-through rate is very slow, so you never wait long at the actual check-in.

What they could do is build a bigger premium check-in area for LY - the current one is quite small.

There are actually 2 security lines - and I guess you are right - people spend most of their time in secuirty line than in the actual check in. Anyway they should add a third one than and keep G counters.
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avi
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RE: Changes In TLV Terminal 3

Tue Nov 13, 2007 2:10 pm

My fear now is that if the Buy and Bye area will become a check in area (and I guess it is the smart thing to do), it will be closed for the general public (only passenger could go in) and there will be no access anymore to the windows where you can seat and watch the runways.
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RE: Changes In TLV Terminal 3

Tue Nov 13, 2007 4:20 pm



Quoting Avi (Reply 6):
My fear now is that if the Buy and Bye area will become a check in area (and I guess it is the smart thing to do), it will be closed for the general public (only passenger could go in) and there will be no access anymore to the windows where you can seat and watch the runways.

Don't forget the Mc Donald's will definetly stay and one or 2 other snack places like the places with the fresh juices will also remain so you will still have access to it.
 
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RE: Changes In TLV Terminal 3

Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:19 pm



Quoting LXA340 (Reply 7):
Don't forget the Mc Donald's will definetly stay and one or 2 other snack places like the places with the fresh juices will also remain so you will still have access to it.

I thought about it but I still have my doubts.
The Buy and Bye hall is much smaller than the main hall. There is no enough space for waiting lines, scan machines and check-in counters. If the waiting lines and scan machines have to remain in the main hall, there will have to be some "sterile" area between the main hall and the new check-in counters (otherwise the security checks will be worth exactly nothing) and there is no enough space between the halls for everybody.

I hope they will figure something out (there are 2 very narrow passages at the side of the halls) but from the past I know that the airport authority guys are always looking for the easy way out and sealing that area is the easy way out.

For only 3 years old terminal, it is quite disappointing that such a big change is needed (and it is needed).
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RE: Changes In TLV Terminal 3

Tue Nov 13, 2007 5:30 pm



Quoting LXA340 (Reply 3):
Weren't there also plans to get rid of all the suitcase screening / security equipment and introduce a automated system simmilar as found at ZRH or FRA and other places with modern luggage screening systems where the suitcasess are screened through automatically when processed after check in? This is also estetically nicer and I don't know why they didn't equip Terminal 3 with such a system as it is a completely new terminal.

Sure T3 should have been equipped with the most modern and efficient screening systems. But the Israel Airport Authority is terribly run, with lots of internal power struggles; the result of this can be seen in the poor security level of BGN airport, as documented in several studies, including by international bodies. The air control equipment is "antiquated" according to these studies, so it's no surprise if the safety standard is not at the best level available......
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RE: Changes In TLV Terminal 3

Tue Nov 13, 2007 6:45 pm



Quoting TodaReisinger (Reply 9):
the Israel Airport Authority is terribly run



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