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Airbus A350XWB - Reaches 400+ Orders/Commitments.

Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:07 pm

Despite a very difficult birth, the Airbus A350XWB has quickly turned into one of the fastest selling widebody's in Aviation history.

Congratulations to Airbus on a job well done.  Smile




(*) Currently a MOU/LOI

AIRBUS A350-800

Aeroflot x 18
Aer Lingus x 6* (No model breakdown given)
Afriqiyah x 6* (No model breakdown given)
Alafco x 12
CAAC China x 20* (No model breakdown given)
CIT x 5
DAE Capital x 30* (No model breakdown given)
ILFC x 12
Kingfisher x 20*
Libyan Airlines x 4* (No model breakdown given)
Pegasus x 2
Qatar x 20
TAM x 22* (No model breakdown given)
US Airways x 18
Yemenia x 10

TOTAL: 205 Frames


AIRBUS A350-900

Aeroflot x 4
CIT x 2
Emirates x 50
Finnair x 11
Group Marsans x 10*
ILFC x 8
Qatar x 40
Singapore Airlines x 20
US Airways x 4
Vietnam Airlines x 10*

TOTAL: 159 Frames

AIRBUS A350-1000

Emirates x 20
Qatar x 20

TOTAL: 40 Frames


AIRBUS A350 CUSTOMERS (NON -XWB)

Tap Portugal x 10
Air Europa x 10
Eurofly x 3
GECAS x 10 (never firmed up)
Bangkok Airways x 6 (never firmed up)

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RE: Airbus A350XWB - Reaches 400+ Orders/Commitments.

Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:23 pm

Excellent news. I'd love to fly it.
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:30 pm

As for future orders...........................................?

BA ,Qantas, Gulf, Thai, Etihad, Lufthansa, Air France, Iberia

These are among the potential orders coming over the next 24 months.
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:33 pm



Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
AIRBUS A350 CUSTOMERS (NON -XWB)

I think the non XWB won't be built. These orders are all changed into XWB.
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:37 pm



Quoting ZRH (Reply 3):

I think the non XWB won't be built. These orders are all changed into XWB.

I'm aware of this. It was presented to highlight the airlines that commited to the non-XWB version, and have yet to confirm a conversion into the A350XWB.

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Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:38 pm



Quoting ZRH (Reply 3):
I think the non XWB won't be built. These orders are all changed into XWB.

the non XWB is definitely not being built, but not all the orders may end up as XWB orders that is still obviously being discussed by the customers and Airbus.
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:38 pm



Quoting ZRH (Reply 3):
I think the non XWB won't be built.

That is correct.

Quoting ZRH (Reply 3):
These orders are all changed into XWB.

No, they aren't, these orders have to be renegotiated, since the XWB is an entirely new aircraft compared to the earlier A350, both when it comes to the price tag and its capabilities.
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2007 7:46 pm



Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
Congratulations to Airbus on a job well done.

Indeed. I wasnt that interested in the XWB but I have come to like it and the number of orders to date is very impressive. Congrats to Airbus.
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:56 pm

Bangkok Aw has said recently they will stay with Airbus and will place an A350XWB order.

If one airline having commitments for the A350 , and not order A350XWB , i believe Air Europa will be this one , and could go to the 787, as Boeing is pushing hard for that.
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:04 pm



Quoting Brendows (Reply 6):
No, they aren't, these orders have to be renegotiated, since the XWB is an entirely new aircraft compared to the earlier A350, both when it comes to the price tag and its capabilities.

Which means if you subtract the 87 orders they booked in 2005 for a canceled program, Boeing won the orders 2005 order race.

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Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:05 pm

Unbelievable!!

I wonder how many records Airbus has broken the last 30 days. There are at least 2:

1. Fastest selling widebody.
2. Largest passenger jet in Service.

I think the biggest order inflow for a year.
But I also wonder if Airbus now has the largest backlog of Jets in history as well.

Anyone to correct the last two, or add some more?
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:08 pm

They've done well to claw back a lot of orders. Now it's down to engineers to produce a killer plane.
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:16 pm



Quoting N1786b (Reply 9):

Which means if you subtract the 87 orders they booked in 2005 for a canceled program, Boeing won the orders 2005 order race.

Sure, if you do inconsistent stuff like that then you can make anyone win the orders race - even Bombardier!

Cancellations are counted in the year they happen, not in the year of the order - that is why Airbus has a large difference between net and gross for the A350XWB this year, many are cancellations of the A350 and new orders for the A350XWB and provide very little net increase to the EOY numbers.
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:21 pm

I am sure that soon LH will order the A 350 including aircrafts for Swiss.
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:32 pm



Quoting N1786b (Reply 9):
Quoting Brendows (Reply 6):
No, they aren't, these orders have to be renegotiated, since the XWB is an entirely new aircraft compared to the earlier A350, both when it comes to the price tag and its capabilities.

Which means if you subtract the 87 orders they booked in 2005 for a canceled program, Boeing won the orders 2005 order race.

 no 

Orders which were originally placed in 2005 for the old version are NOT being recounted on the Airbus spreadsheet.

If an airline ordered a dozen A350's in 2005 and converted them to a dozen A350XWB's in 2007, the net increase on Airbus' spreadsheet is zero
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:40 pm

Despite claims to the contrary by some, I think the fact the A350 and 787 have sold so strongly so quickly is a sign that they truly are "revolutionary" planes and airlines understand this and are willing to invest so heavily in them, years before they first took to the skies.
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:47 pm



Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
Despite claims to the contrary by some, I think the fact the A350 and 787 have sold so strongly so quickly is a sign that they truly are "revolutionary" planes and airlines understand this and are willing to invest so heavily in them, years before they first took to the skies.

Will do my ornery self and say that I disagree. I think that it shows that both are great products that are well timed with the current market (i.e. higher costs of oil, expansion of the traveling public, etc.).

cheers.
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:03 pm



Quoting WINGS (Reply 4):
I'm aware of this. It was presented to highlight the airlines that commited to the non-XWB version, and have yet to confirm a conversion into the A350XWB.

It seemed to me, that in general the conversions in the past often included a rise in the number of planes ordered.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
Despite claims to the contrary by some, I think the fact the A350 and 787 have sold so strongly so quickly is a sign that they truly are "revolutionary" planes and airlines understand this and are willing to invest so heavily in them, years before they first took to the skies.

They are using a lot less fuel than current planes which makes them very very attractive, given how fuel prices have developed in the past couple of years and are feared to develop in the future. Who knows how much a barrel will be in 2015.
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Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:08 pm



Quoting EI321 (Reply 14):
Orders which were originally placed in 2005 for the old version are NOT being recounted on the Airbus spreadsheet.

 yes  The entire orders are being recounted in the Aircraft Orders in 2007 tab.  redflag 


http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...items/11_29_05_USAirways_A350.html

US Airways firms up order for 20 A350s
29 November 2005

Following a commitment announced in May 2005 by US Airways and America West, US Airways Group - the merged entity of the two low-cost carriers - has firmed up their order and signed the contract for 20 Airbus A350 aircraft.

http://www.airbus.com/en/presscentre...items/11_29_05_USAirways_A350.html

US Airways firms up order for 92 Airbus aircraft; order includes 22 A350 XWBs
Press release
5 October 2007

Following an agreement announced in June 2007, US Airways has now signed the contract for the purchase of 92 Airbus aircraft, including: 18 A350-800s, 4 A350-900s...

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
This Firm order was counted in 2005 totals. It is currently sitting on Row 87 of their Aircraft Orders in 2007 tab on their spreadsheet as 18+4 (thus a total net gain of two).

Yet all 22 are counted in this years totals. Just like all 20 of ILFCs order, ALAFCO's 12 ordered in Dubai 2005, and Finnair's 2006 order.

I'll grant you that they are not double-counted in the Worldwide tab. But counting the entire order in 2007 is misleading at best.


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Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:24 pm



Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
AIRBUS A350-800

TOTAL: 205 Frames

97 FIRM + 108 MOU/LOI




Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
AIRBUS A350-900

TOTAL: 159 Frames

139 FIRM + 20 MOU/LOI

Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
AIRBUS A350-1000

TOTAL: 40 Frames

40 FIRM


FIRM ORDER grand total today is = 276
MOU/LOI grand total today is = 128



For a perspective...does anyone have the Boeing current 787 FIRM + MOU/LOI count? I know the 787 firm order count is 738 + ?? MOU/LOI (QFx20 + BAx24??)
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:13 pm

This whole "lets count MOIs...sometimes" thing gets really tiring.
 
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Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:30 pm



Quoting EI321 (Reply 2):
Qantas

I think qantas will take a serious look at the 787-10 since it will give great fleet commanality
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:16 am



Quoting Dank (Reply 16):
Will do my ornery self and say that I disagree. I think that it shows that both are great products that are well timed with the current market (i.e. higher costs of oil, expansion of the traveling public, etc.).



Quoting Thorben (Reply 17):
They are using a lot less fuel than current planes which makes them very very attractive, given how fuel prices have developed in the past couple of years and are feared to develop in the future. Who knows how much a barrel will be in 2015.

But they lose less fuel in new ways. It would be one thing if they found a new alloy of Al that was significantly lighter and building them just like they do current planes.

But CFRP and bleedless engines (for the 787) are new and untried technologies for commercial airliners. Yes, Boeing and Airbus has tested them up the wazoo and have done a masterful job of showing the airlines these planes will be safe. But NH and AY were the first airlines to "take the leap" and put their trust in Boeing and Airbus to pull it off. They saw something special in these planes and their commitment convinced others to follow.
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:31 am



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 21):
I think qantas will take a serious look at the 787-10 since it will give great fleet commanality

The 787-10 isn't for sale... so if QF were looking for that capacity to be ordered now.... then they would only have the A350 to choose from
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:05 am



Quoting ANstar (Reply 23):
The 787-10 isn't for sale... so if QF were looking for that capacity to be ordered now.... then they would only have the A350 to choose from

i guess you didnt see the recent thread about boeing getting close to firming up the 787-10 saying they already had a number of customers to fill orders for about 200 planes. So one of those is probably QF since they really wanted the 787-10 in the beginning.
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:12 am



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 24):
i guess you didnt see the recent thread about boeing getting close to firming up the 787-10

Nor did I.  Sad

Quoting DL767captain (Reply 24):
they already had a number of customers to fill orders for about 200 planes

Should we assume that some of these will be conversions from -9s?
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:24 am

It is amazing how things change . One year ago Airbus was struggled with the A350XNB and the A380 delay, and the 787 was in the spot light. Today Airbus is gaining momentum, delivering the A380 and selling the A350 XWB as a hot cakes, and Boeing is struggled with the 787 delay, its software problems and overweight, 0 new sales for the 747-800, the 748 delay.
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:48 am



Quoting Carls (Reply 26):
It is amazing how things change.

And yet:


  • Both companies are having their third consecutive 1000+ order year.  goldmedal 
  • The A388 is now in revenue service and the 787 continues towards first flight.  highfive 
  • Airlines continue to order the A388 and the 787, even with the delays.  dollarsign 
  • Airlines continue to order the A330 and 777 in near-record or record numbers even with the 787 and A350 on the horizon.  champagne 
  • Both companies have huge backlogs of product across the board that are continuing to be added to.  up 


It is truly amazing times for both.  goodvibes 
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:09 am



Quoting Stitch (Reply 27):
It is truly amazing times for both

If you're an airline in need to place an order for aircraft, and the suppliers are essentially an oligopoly, the aircraft manufacturer has little choice but to be successful.
At this point, airlines are placing orders just to get into the cue!
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:11 am



Quoting Caljn (Reply 28):
If you're an airline in need to place an order for aircraft, and the suppliers are essentially an oligopoly, the aircraft manufacturer has little choice but to be successful. At this point, airlines are placing orders just to get into the cue!

Very true. The future holds great promise from two new airplane families, yet two proven airplane families are also available right now. An embarrassment of riches.  Smile
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:24 am



Quoting Dank (Reply 16):
Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
Despite claims to the contrary by some, I think the fact the A350 and 787 have sold so strongly so quickly is a sign that they truly are "revolutionary" planes and airlines understand this and are willing to invest so heavily in them, years before they first took to the skies.

Will do my ornery self and say that I disagree. I think that it shows that both are great products that are well timed with the current market (i.e. higher costs of oil, expansion of the traveling public, etc.).

I think you're both right - they are revolutionary aircraft and are well-timed to take advantage of the marketplace.
Amazing how well the 787 has done and how quickly the A350 is now gaining momentum. These things are selling like the 737 & A320 used to. I think many forget the days when 300-400 orders for the entire year, across the entire product line, was a decent year for Boeing or Airbus. I know those days may come again, but for now, let's all enjoy the order tsunami.
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2007 2:35 am



Quoting ER757 (Reply 30):
I know those days may come again, but for now, let's all enjoy the order tsunami.

 highfive   yes 
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2007 3:57 am



Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
the Airbus A350XWB has quickly turned into one of the fastest selling widebody's in Aviation history.

There are already about as many orders & commitments (a bit over 400) for the A350 as for the entire A340 series, 14 years after A340 EIS and 6 years before A350 EIS. That's crazy!
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:31 am



Quoting Carls (Reply 26):
It is amazing how things change . One year ago Airbus was struggled with the A350XNB and the A380 delay, and the 787 was in the spot light. Today Airbus is gaining momentum, delivering the A380 and selling the A350 XWB as a hot cakes, and Boeing is struggled with the 787 delay, its software problems and overweight, 0 new sales for the 747-800, the 748 delay.

I had to laugh when reading this one.

Airbus has delivered exactly ONE A380 after all this time.

The A350XWB has finally gained some momemtun after numerous embarrassing and expensive missteps but is still far behind the 787 in sales.

The 787 delay is a six months behind and has not caused Boeing to significantly restate their earnigns guidance or post a major loss (which Airbus did recently and probably will for quite some time in the future).

The 747-8 (frieghter and passenger) has outsold the A380 significantly during the time each were available for sale and their were recent orders for it during the show.

Sorry to burst your bubble but Boeing is doing just fine.
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:42 am



Quoting N1786b (Reply 9):
Which means if you subtract the 87 orders they booked in 2005 for a canceled program, Boeing won the orders 2005 order race.

n1786b

The won orders in 2005 stay in the 2005 books regardless of whether they they were ever delivered. Now those orders count as cancellations in the current calendar, but at the same time these are filled with orders for the new aircraft. It looks like a trick but it was never planned to have an airplane help with the order book fictitiously. Airbus was going to build an A350, but they canceled and now they're building the A350XWB, which is a different plane.
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Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:44 am



Quoting Klkla (Reply 33):

Sorry to burst your bubble but Boeing is doing just fine.

And so is Airbus, sorry to disappoint you.

Quoting Klkla (Reply 33):

The A350XWB has finally gained some momemtun after numerous embarrassing and expensive missteps but is still far behind the 787 in sales.

But still has a lot of time between 787 EIS and A350 EIS to catch up, or so I think  duck 
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2007 4:55 am



Quoting Kbdude (Reply 19):
For a perspective...does anyone have the Boeing current 787 FIRM + MOU/LOI count? I know the 787 firm order count is 738 + ?? MOU/LOI (QFx20 + BAx24??)

The A350XWB has 276 firm orders, and technically, let's say they are all ordered from Dec 1, 2006.

For perspective, the 787 has sold 290 firm frames this year. 10.5 months. And 305 since Dec 1, 2006. Sort of blows the A350X "fastest selling widebody ever" theory out of the water, since over the same time period that A350X has been available for sale, the 787 has sold more frames. That would make the 787 a faster selling widebody over that period.

This is not to discount the A350X success. It's amazing to have 400 commitments for a plane that won't fly for 6 years!
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Wed Nov 14, 2007 5:46 am



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 36):
over the same time period that A350X has been available for sale, the 787 has sold more frames

Airbus traditionally firms a significant number of orders in the last few days of the year, making the order total at the 10.5 month mark seem low. The 787 firm order intake can probably be linearly extrapolated to the end of this year, while the A350 probably cannot. A more valid comparison will be possible after Airbus announces their 2007 order totals in January.
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:22 am



Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
Aer Lingus x 6* (No model breakdown given)

EI have firmed this order with Airbus and have coosen the 900 variant for the first 6 firm oders. The rmeinaing 6 options they hold on the model are interchangable between the 800 & 900 variant.

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Wed Nov 14, 2007 7:25 am



Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 38):
EI have firmed this order with Airbus and have coosen the 900 variant for the first 6 firm oders.

Have they officially committed to the RR trent yet?
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:18 am



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 21):
I think qantas will take a serious look at the 787-10 since it will give great fleet commanality



Quoting DL767captain (Reply 24):
i guess you didnt see the recent thread about boeing getting close to firming up the 787-10 saying they already had a number of customers to fill orders for about 200 planes. So one of those is probably QF since they really wanted the 787-10 in the beginning.

I also seemed to have missed that thread, I only have read that EK choose Airbus because of the non availbility of the 787-10.
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Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:45 am



Quoting PM (Reply 39):
Have they officially committed to the RR trent yet?

No announcement on the Engine choice yet, I suppose they've a few years to decide, and they may wait to see if GE climb onboard the programme.

Also, sincere apologises for the spelling in my previous post, I quickly typed the information and selected and cleared the spell checker, but for some reason the changes didn't take affect, but apologises again.

Quoting Columba (Reply 40):
I also seemed to have missed that thread, I only have read that EK choose Airbus because of the non availability of the 787-10.

I did see yesterday a news story from Boeing that they are close to firming up the B787-1000, however, I always thought EK's issue with any stretch of the current B787 body (which is what Boeing is doing) is that it lacks the thrust for EK's needs. EK had said they felt the aircraft needed more thrust, while Boeing were happy to leave the thrust levels as is.

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Wed Nov 14, 2007 8:48 am



Quoting N1786b (Reply 18):
The entire orders are being recounted in the Aircraft Orders in 2007 tab.

At the same time Airbus counts cancellation of the original A350 order. Sorry to disappoint you.
 
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Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:28 am

Add one more. C-JET of Hong Kong have ordered the first VIP A350-XWB, it is not yet stated which model the VIP variant is based upon.

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Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:43 am



Quoting Pilot21 (Reply 38):
Quoting WINGS (Thread starter):
Aer Lingus x 6* (No model breakdown given)

EI have firmed this order with Airbus and have coosen the 900 variant for the first 6 firm oders. The rmeinaing 6 options they hold on the model are interchangable between the 800 & 900 variant.

I always thought they would be thye 900, even after many thought the 900 was too big for them.
 
n1786b
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RE: Airbus A350XWB - Reaches 400+ Orders/Commitments.

Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:45 am



Quoting Danny (Reply 42):
At the same time Airbus counts cancellation of the original A350 order. Sorry to disappoint you.

Please show me that on the 2007 Orders tab of their spreadsheet.

Can you please show me where the cancellations of the original A350s appear in the spreadsheet?

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RE: Airbus A350XWB - Reaches 400+ Orders/Commitments.

Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:50 am



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 36):
Sort of blows the A350X "fastest selling widebody ever" theory out of the water, since over the same time period that A350X has been available for sale, the 787 has sold more frames.

Errr, nobody said that the A350X is the fastest selling widebody ever.

Suggest you re-read the very first post in this thread.....
 
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RE: Airbus A350XWB - Reaches 400+ Orders/Commitments.

Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:56 am



Quoting Vfw614 (Reply 46):
Errr, nobody said that the A350X is the fastest selling widebody ever.

Suggest you re-read the very first post in this thread.....

Keesje tried a few days ago with a now deleted thread.
 
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RE: Airbus A350XWB - Reaches 400+ Orders/Commitments.

Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:00 pm



Quoting NorCal (Reply 47):
Keesje tried a few days ago with a now deleted thread.

Well it is still there but not in civ av: A350XWB: Fastest Selling WB In Aviation History? (by Keesje Nov 11 2007 in Aviation Polls & Prefs)

But it would not be a.net if there would be a response thread: A340: Slowest Selling Widebody In History? (by Futurecaptain Nov 12 2007 in Aviation Polls & Prefs)
It will forever be a McDonnell Douglas MD 80 , Boeing MD 80 sounds so wrong
 
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RE: Airbus A350XWB - Reaches 400+ Orders/Commitments.

Wed Nov 14, 2007 12:04 pm

Well, I guess this has shut up the "paper airplane" people :p

I'm guessing the performance guarantees from Airbus are good enough that customers are seemingly very willing to pony up vast amounts of cash... I think Airbus has the situation under control, particularly because they announced that the required thrust from the engines will be lower than the original calculations suggested.

Also, I do wonder if GE will be entering this race... I mean, if you were going to do it, wouldn't it best to do it now? Or quite a while ago? I do understand the arguments about them not wanting to be on the program because of saving the GE90 sales. But, Rolls-Royce came onboard and offered an engine with all the newest technology and if this continues, is going to make a big pile of money. Why wouldn't GE do this? GECAS won't order an RR powered aircraft, but would they relent if customers screamed loudly enough?

Also with the A330, I don't think people will stop ordering it, even after the A350 is introduced. I'm talking in particular about the A330F... Also, if the 787/A350 sales continue at this rate, the only place you can get a relatively early delivery date is on the A330.

Either way, what a charmed time we live in...  Smile