Summa767
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AV To San Jose, Costa Rica

Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:47 pm

AV will start serving SJO from 14th December 2007, 4 times weekly initially

Schedule: Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun

BOG Dep 0945
SJO Arr 1100, returning:

SJO Dep 1145
BOG Arr 1500

Flights will be operated with Fokker 100s by AVs subsidiary SAM.

AV had expressed it wanted to expand in Central America and the Caribbean. Currently it codeshares with Lacsa to SJO, and I expect that will continue.
 
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RE: AV To San Jose, Costa Rica

Tue Nov 13, 2007 8:54 pm

After around 7 years, it's great to see AV back in SJO. The market and Avianca's economics have both changed and matured a lot since then, and will certainly make this route work.

4x weekly is a good start. Hopefully for next year's summer season it will be daily.

San Jose is Avianca's 21st international destination.


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RE: AV To San Jose, Costa Rica

Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:31 pm

So MM finally makes a comeback to SJO. But I have a question: didn't they already announce that MM would start up service to SJO again? If yes, wasn't it out of MDE, or was the plan to return from BOG on behalf of AV all along?
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RE: AV To San Jose, Costa Rica

Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:39 pm

This is great news! Now we can hope that the trend continues - maybe SAL, GUA, MGA could be in the future? Has AV ever served those three cities before?

I think SDQ or SJU may be good Caribbean choices... I guess we'll have to wait and see! (and wait for more planes!)
 
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RE: AV To San Jose, Costa Rica

Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:45 pm

I think MM used to offer service to GUA in the early 90's with a BAe 146 if I am not mistaken
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RE: AV To San Jose, Costa Rica

Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:46 pm

Very good news Juan. I am glad AV and MM are adding new destinations (or reinstating them, if you will). AV has the potential to serve every major city in the Latin American region, so this is a great step. I can't wait for their A32xs, A332s and 787s!
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RE: AV To San Jose, Costa Rica

Tue Nov 13, 2007 9:47 pm



Quoting B747_A340 (Reply 4):
I think MM used to offer service to GUA in the early 90's with a BAe 146 if I am not mistaken

Isn't Colombia-GUA a bit too long for a BAe146?
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RE: AV To San Jose, Costa Rica

Tue Nov 13, 2007 10:26 pm



Quoting Turk223 (Reply 3):
maybe SAL, GUA, MGA could be in the future? Has AV ever served those three cities before?

SAM served Managua and San Salvador during the 70s when the airline decided to expand its Central American operations. These services didn't last very long.

More recently, SAM did serve GUA, SJO and PTY regularly on the RJ-100 era during the early and mid-90s.

Quoting LTU932 (Reply 6):
Isn't Colombia-GUA a bit too long for a BAe146?

But he's right though, SAM did serve BOG-GUA for some time in the mid-90s with the RJ-100. I'm not sure if there's a market for such a flight nowadays.


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RE: AV To San Jose, Costa Rica

Tue Nov 13, 2007 11:17 pm

Very happy to see AV expanding in the region !!!.. Where to and when the next step ???

Now, I take the opportunity to say that Avianca would do wonderfully out of MTY !!!

Monterrey is already a major LatAm business center, and traffic from this city to South America has been growing substantially in the recent years.

I hope there has been some thought about this at headquarters in Bogotá.

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RE: AV To San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:20 am

Finally!!

It's now about time to see AV put some competition against CM for the Central American market and start developing a competitive hub at BOG with the current and, hopefully some new, spokes to South America, the US and Europe.

CM fares are so much overrated that I support ANY initiative for competition. BOG 's potential as main connecting hub is definitely greater than the PTY 's only terminal with the bunch of overpriced electronic stores, and with just one (1) tiny coffee shop and one (1) hot-dog stand for all the passengers in transit.
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RE: AV To San Jose, Costa Rica

Wed Nov 14, 2007 1:31 am

Very nice. It was just a matter of time before AV re-started SJO. The route will probably go daily in June 2008, then, it could be upgraded to an A319. We would have three daily BOG-SJO rotations at that point.

I hope BOG can get the work on the new facilities done fast enough to cope with the expansion.
 
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RE: AV To San Jose, Costa Rica

Thu Nov 15, 2007 3:12 am



Quoting Summa767 (Thread starter):
AV had expressed it wanted to expand in Central America and the Caribbean. Currently it codeshares with Lacsa to SJO

There are likely good loads for TA BOG-SJO, due they are utilizing the 321 in such daily route.
The understanding between TA-AV also includes connections to GUA and SAL.





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Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 7):
SAM served Managua and San Salvador during the 70s when the airline decided to expand its Central American operations. These services didn't last very long.

More recently, SAM did serve GUA, SJO and PTY regularly on the RJ-100 era during the early and mid-90s.

If I remember correctly:
MM served SJO during the Lockheed Electra era.
By the 80s, a common service was BOG-ADZ-SJO-GUA and vice versa with Boeing 727-100 equipment.
Alliances and code-shares were inventions from the 90s. Nonetheless, Lacsa tied up an agreement with Varig, Ecuatoriana and [Avianca / SAM] for operations to some South American destinations around 1989.
I think MM operated TGU for a little while.

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RE: AV To San Jose, Costa Rica

Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:27 am



Quoting Turk223 (Reply 3):
maybe SAL, GUA, MGA could be in the future? Has AV ever served those three cities before?



Quoting B747_A340 (Reply 4):
I think MM used to offer service to GUA in the early 90's with a BAe 146 if I am not mistaken

Yes, MM did serve GUA with stops at SJO and San Andres Island.
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RE: AV To San Jose, Costa Rica

Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:51 am



Quoting Summa767 (Thread starter):
Schedule: Mon, Wed, Fri, Sun

BOG Dep 0945
SJO Arr 1100, returning:

SJO Dep 1145
BOG Arr 1500

Flights will be operated with Fokker 100s by AVs subsidiary SAM.

MM again? Is the mainline AV fleet spread so thin that they can't send an M83 our way, or are they just testing the waters for now? How about eventually considering an additional 3x MDE-SJO as well?

Quoting Turk223 (Reply 3):
Now we can hope that the trend continues - maybe SAL, GUA, MGA could be in the future?

I dunno about that, given that none of our neighboring countries (except their former runaway departamento next door to us) have such a large Colombian community (not to mention bilateral trade) as we do here in Costa Rica.
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RE: AV To San Jose, Costa Rica

Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:15 am



Quoting XA744 (Reply 8):
Monterrey is already a major LatAm business center, and traffic from this city to South America has been growing substantially in the recent years.

I hope there has been some thought about this at headquarters in Bogotá.

At this rate, if the folks at MX or AM do not realize this, it will be AV, CM or TA who will eventually test the waters. Heck, it might even be one of the Mexican LCC's... I would not be surprised to see the tandem of Volaris and TA exploring this possibility.

I hope the new directors of AM will figure this out first!
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RE: AV To San Jose, Costa Rica

Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:01 pm



Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 13):
have such a large Colombian community (not to mention bilateral trade) as we do here in Costa Rica.

That's a pretty big market for the route itself. Costa Rica is home for thousands of Colombians nowdays. I bet AV will suceed in the route, and will upgrade as soon as the new fleet arrives.

Quoting Hagic (Reply 9):
(1) hot-dog stand for all the passengers in transit.

I know, I was stuck in PTY last year for almost 3 hours and there were little if none, options in the food department. I think they can invest a bit in this and improve this area.


Juan, out of topic, any news on when the Airbii will strart arriving??

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RE: AV To San Jose, Costa Rica

Thu Nov 15, 2007 8:39 pm



Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 13):
MM again? Is the mainline AV fleet spread so thin that they can't send an M83 our way, or are they just testing the waters for now? How about eventually considering an additional 3x MDE-SJO as well?

The MD83 fleet is indeed stretched, but it is also true that AV would want to start with a lower capacity to start with, as routes can take a while to mature. I don't think that AV thinks in terms of "mainline" and "subsidiary", but rather what is the most appropriate aircraft to cover a route. MM already operates both GYE flights, VLN and some of the ones to AUA and CUR.

Quoting Viaggiare (Reply 13):
Quoting Turk223 (Reply 3):
Now we can hope that the trend continues - maybe SAL, GUA, MGA could be in the future?

I dunno about that, given that none of our neighboring countries (except their former runaway departamento next door to us) have such a large Colombian community (not to mention bilateral trade) as we do here in Costa Rica.

Costa Rica is definitely of utmost importance as you say, but there are some very positive things happening on the trade front between Colombia and the "triangle of northern central America", namely: Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras. There was a free trade agreement signed between this trio and Colombia just 3 months ago. So business ties will surely increase. Avianca has already established their ambition to serve more of central America. I would expect GUA and SAL at least, but not until the A319s arrive, that would be an appropriate airplane for this destinations, a bit too far for the F100s.

Talking of A319s..

Quoting 777jaah (Reply 15):
any news on when the Airbii will strart arriving??

Not updated info, only that the first 2 A319s should be delivered Feb and April.

MSN : 3408 (A319)
Start of assembly : 19.12.07
First Flight : 29.01.08
Delivery : 21.02.08

MSN : 3467 (A319)
Start of assembly : 05.03.08
First Flight : 08.04.08
Delivery : 17.04.08

On the first A330:

MSN : 948 (A330)
Start of assembly: 15.05.08
First Flight: 22.07.08
Delivery: 02.09.08

There are also the 3 A320s leased from CIT, but I hve no news as to when these would arrive. I would expect that this would be early on as to join the first 2 A319s. So I can only guess that there was an initial operational overhaul around May, with a "reshuffle" in aircraft used on some routes, and probably some new destinations.
 
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RE: AV To San Jose, Costa Rica

Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:35 pm

very nice news! well I was aware that AV will restart the route but not so quick... had the information that they will do a come-back in SJO with the A319 starting October 2008... but hey great to see AV (MM) earlier back in SJO.
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RE: AV To San Jose, Costa Rica

Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:43 pm

Plenty of "this would be a good A319 route" lately, and not many A319s were ordered. I expect they plan very well how to use them.


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RE: AV To San Jose, Costa Rica

Fri Nov 16, 2007 12:11 am

Quoting SOUTHAMERICA (Reply 18):
Plenty of "this would be a good A319 route" lately, and not many A319s were ordered. I expect they plan very well how to use them

Very true! We have mentioned IAD, GUA, SAL, MCO and maybe even CLO and MDE to JFK in the wish list, as well as SCL (probably daily) that AV specifically mentioned when presenting the order.
I expect that we'll see very little of the A319 for domestic routes, where the F50, F100s will do thinner routes, and the A320 the ones currently operated by the MD83s.
I guess we won't be seeing the back of the 757s very soon either, and so there should be time for the deliveries of the exercised A319s options.

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