smithfly114
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UPS Fleet

Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:40 pm

Hello All-
Anyone know a good resource which shows ALL aircraft types currently operated by UPS?
And before you say the UPS website, it only includes large body aircraft.

Thanks for the help
 
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RE: UPS Fleet

Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:42 pm

airfleets.net

The message you were about to post is too short and probably not of any higher value to the topic at hand. You should think long and hard before posting a message in this forum and make it detailed and a valuable addition to the topic discussed
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RE: UPS Fleet

Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:45 pm

Do you mean, by UPS? Or by UPS and all its contract carriers?
 
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RE: UPS Fleet

Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:48 pm

747-400: 2
747-200: 5
747-100: 4
MD11: 28
767: 32
A300: 53
DC8: 36
757: 75

http://airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/cargo/ups.html

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RE: UPS Fleet

Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:51 pm



Quoting Smithfly114 (Thread starter):
And before you say the UPS website, it only includes large body aircraft.

UPS only operate wide-bodied aircraft, so your reference regarding the UPS website is probably the most accurate source. So, this link is taken from the Press Release section.

http://www.pressroom.ups.com/mediaki...05,1278,00.html?mkname=upsairlines

On the other hand, could you be referring to other smaller carriers contracted to operate on behalf of UPS?
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RE: UPS Fleet

Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:55 pm



Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 2):
Do you mean, by UPS? Or by UPS and all its contract carriers?

Bingo,
Specifically a small twin engine turbo prop.
Guess it is a contract carrier.
Any ideas?
 
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RE: UPS Fleet

Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:04 pm



Quoting Smithfly114 (Reply 5):
Specifically a small twin engine turbo prop.

Where have you seen this aircraft?
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RE: UPS Fleet

Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:08 pm



Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 6):
Where have you seen this aircraft?

Quincy-Gansner Field
Plumas County, CA
ID: 2O1

And I have not seen it, but I need to find out what it is.
 
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RE: UPS Fleet

Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:12 pm

Anyone know which 747 shows up in Memphis everyday?

The big bird is a welcome addition(the only 747 at MEM), however I have never seen it take off or land.

Question 2: Anyone know the arrival and departure times? Destination? I would assume Louisville.

Thanks,
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RE: UPS Fleet

Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:13 pm

Whatever happened to the C130 they had. I can swear I have seen at least one in their colors.
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RE: UPS Fleet

Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:21 pm



Quoting Smithfly114 (Reply 5):
Specifically a small twin engine turbo prop.

Well, it's not twin-engined, but it's certainly small - this Grand Caravan gets contracted by UPS for feeder routes:


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I don't think UPS directly operates any other aircraft besides the ones I listed in reply 3.
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RE: UPS Fleet

Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:29 pm



Quoting Smithfly114 (Reply 7):
I need to find out what it is.

Don't like to admit it but you've stumped me altogether.

Is it painted in corporate colours? If so, then perhaps is a corporate aircraft used by company officials when travlling on business? But what it actually is, I've got no idea.

I've had a look at previous threads regarding the UPS fleet as a sort of double-check, and no such aircraft has ever been mentioned before as far as I could tell.

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RE: UPS Fleet

Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:46 pm



Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 11):
Is it painted in corporate colours? If so, then perhaps is a corporate aircraft used by company officials when travlling on business? But what it actually is, I've got no idea.

I have not personally seen it but I have been told by the airport manager that it operates at that airport 2x daily.
 
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RE: UPS Fleet

Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:55 pm

This what your looking for?


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As far as I know, we don't operate these anymore. They were not owned by UPS, just painted in the colors.

Look at the registration on the picture. N570UP, currently a B747-400.

UPS corporate does not own any aircraft for corporate use.

What airport?

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RE: UPS Fleet

Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:59 pm

Ameriflight does a lot of UPS feed. They fly Lancers, Navajos, 402s, 99s, 1900s, Metros, and Brasilias (maybe more). AFAIK they're all in faded/peeling ameriflight colors, but the Metro we used to get in PDX had part of a very faded UPS logo on the rudder panel.
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RE: UPS Fleet

Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:00 am



Quoting Fr8mech (Reply 13):
As far as I know, we don't operate these anymore.

Getting close, but from what I have heard they are still operating there today, 2x a day.

Thanks for all the help people.
Keep the ideas coming!
 
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RE: UPS Fleet

Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:07 am

Do you know if it wears UPS colors? I fly all over the US and have never seen anything small with UPS colors.
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RE: UPS Fleet

Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:16 am



Quoting Smithfly114 (Reply 15):
Getting close, but from what I have heard they are still operating there today, 2x a day

Where??
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RE: UPS Fleet

Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:25 am



Quoting Fr8mech (Reply 17):
Where??

He's gone asleep! Here's where he's talking about...

Quoting Smithfly114 (Reply 7):
Quincy-Gansner Field
Plumas County, CA
ID: 2O1

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RE: UPS Fleet

Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:47 am



Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 4):
UPS only operate wide-bodied aircraft, so your reference regarding the UPS website is probably the most accurate source. So, this link is taken from the Press Release section.

The 757 and the DC8 aren't wide-bodied, both operated by UPS.
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RE: UPS Fleet

Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:52 am

Quoting 777STL (Reply 19):
The 757 and the DC8 aren't wide-bodied, both operated by UPS

I was a bit too hasty there. It's late over on this side, you know!

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RE: UPS Fleet

Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:24 am

The 747 you see at MEM does indeed come from SDF. It operates Tue-Thur nights departs MEM 9:59 P , and arrives back into MEM at 4:17A

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RE: UPS Fleet

Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:25 am



Quoting Bobbidooley (Reply 8):
Anyone know which 747 shows up in Memphis everyday?

The big bird is a welcome addition(the only 747 at MEM), however I have never seen it take off or land.

Question 2: Anyone know the arrival and departure times? Destination? I would assume Louisville.

Thanks,
Bobbi

From Flightaware....

UPS 1384 arrives from Louisville every morning between 430 and 530.

UPS 1383 departs to Louisville every night between 2200 and 2300.

It is not always a 747, before mid August it was always at A300-6. Now it seems to alternate between 741,742,A306, and DC87. I am no expert and do not have a good guess as to why it alternates, or why such a large aircraft between the two cities. Increased capacity during the holidays? Does FEDEX and UPS do some sort of interline transfer with some packages to serve more cities? Just seems like a large aircraft between the two hubs.
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RE: UPS Fleet

Thu Nov 15, 2007 7:48 am



Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 4):
UPS only operate wide-bodied aircraft,

757?

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RE: UPS Fleet

Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:35 am



Quoting CXfirst (Reply 23):
757?



Quoting 777STL (Reply 19):
The 757 and the DC8 aren't wide-bodied, both operated by UPS.

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RE: UPS Fleet

Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:46 am



Quoting SDF880 (Reply 21):
The 747 you see at MEM does indeed come from SDF. It operates Tue-Thur nights departs MEM 9:59 P , and arrives back into MEM at 4:17A

Yep, it departs SDF (scheduled) at 4:13 AM EST and arrives in MEM at 4:16 CST (this morning it departed SDF at 4:47 as an A306). UPS1384/1383 has been an A300-600 everyday this week so far, hopefully it hasn't regressed to only an A306 and DC87. Its usually a DC-8-70 on Saturday mornings .

Quoting Dragon6172 (Reply 22):
I am no expert and do not have a good guess as to why it alternates, or why such a large aircraft between the two cities. Increased capacity during the holidays? Does FEDEX and UPS do some sort of interline transfer with some packages to serve more cities? Just seems like a large aircraft between the two hubs.

UPS has a large sorting hub down in MEM, hence the occasional use of a 747. UPS only has 2 daily flights on MEM-SDF, compared to 4 for FX (one of them is an AT43 operated by Mountain Air, a FX contract carrier; the rest are 2 A306's and a 722). The other flight is UPS1382/1382, which is a DC87; it departs SDF at about 3:30AM EST. UPS1384/1383 leaves SDF usually at around 4:30, and another earlier flight (UPS1382) that departed SDF at around 3:30AM EST.

Quoting Bobbidooley (Reply 8):
The big bird is a welcome addition(the only 747 at MEM), however I have never seen it take off or land.

Well it does land at around 4:30AM CST, so a little hard to catch that.  Smile However, you can catch it takeoff for Louisville at about 10PM CST. As I said before, that flight has been an A306 all week, so they may no longer use the 747 (usually a 741) on this route. But if they do, I highly recommend going out to MEM and watching it takeoff; those JT9D's make an absolutlely awesome sound on takeoff, not to mention that they have a neat, distinctive rotating beacon pattern at night (they lack strobe lights on the wings).
 
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RE: UPS Fleet

Thu Nov 15, 2007 11:48 am



Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 4):
UPS only operate wide-bodied aircraft

WRONG. UPS also operates the 757 and DC-8. However, the 757 and DC-8 are "heavies," so maybe you confused that with widebodies. They also recently operated the 721, which they retired in July and August.
 
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RE: UPS Fleet

Thu Nov 15, 2007 12:19 pm



Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 20):
Quoting 777STL (Reply 19):
The 757 and the DC8 aren't wide-bodied, both operated by UPS

I was a bit too hasty there. It's late over on this side, you know!



Quoting CXfirst (Reply 23):
757?



Quoting 747fan (Reply 26):
UPS also operates the 757 and DC-8.

Come on guys, gimme a break. I made a mistake at "stupid o'clock" in the morning.
That error's been established way back in reply 19/20. Please read the thread before
continuing to have a pop at me. Thanks.

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RE: UPS Fleet

Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:16 pm



Quoting N710PS (Reply 9):
Whatever happened to the C130 they had. I can swear I have seen at least one in their colors.

UPS never owned this airplane, they wet leased it, and had it painted in their colors. IIRC, the airplane was actually the cilivian version of the C-130, the L-100. It was leased by UPS to fly a killer whale from MEX to LAX, where the whale joined a water park. IIRC, this was the "Free Willy" whale.

UPS later flew the killer whale to Oregon, then later to Iceland where the whale was released into the North Atlantic. All of these flights were aboard that same "UPS" livery L-100.
 
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RE: UPS Fleet

Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:21 pm



Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 27):
Come on guys, gimme a break. I made a mistake at "stupid o'clock" in the morning.
That error's been established way back in reply 19/20. Please read the thread before
continuing to have a pop at me. Thanks.

We're sorry - I guess we're just way too picky on here.  Smile
But my post, unlike 19 and 20, did give you a bit of a break by claiming you may have been mixed up with heavies and widebodies (the 757 and DC-8 aren't widebodies, but are classified as heavies due to their MTOW). I skimmed through this thread pretty quickly, so I may have missed the earlier posts that corrected you.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 28):
UPS never owned this airplane, they wet leased it, and had it painted in their colors. IIRC, the airplane was actually the cilivian version of the C-130, the L-100. It was leased by UPS to fly a killer whale from MEX to LAX, where the whale joined a water park. IIRC, this was the "Free Willy" whale.
UPS later flew the killer whale to Oregon, then later to Iceland where the whale was released into the North Atlantic. All of these flights were aboard that same "UPS" livery L-100.

Wow, that's interesting - I never knew "Brown" carried "Free Willy." Big grin
I did know that UPS briefly leased a C-130 (technically L-100 in UPS' case) as I've seen pictures of it, I just didn't know why. Sorry, I couldn't find any pictures of it in the database.
This is slightly off topic, but DL also briefly operated the L-100 Hercules:

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RE: UPS Fleet

Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:27 pm



Quoting 747fan (Reply 29):
This is slightly off topic, but DL also briefly operated the L-100 Hercules:

Slightly? Does anyone even remember what this thread was regarding?
 
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RE: UPS Fleet

Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:45 pm



Quoting Doug_Or (Reply 14):
Ameriflight does a lot of UPS feed. They fly Lancers, Navajos, 402s, 99s, 1900s, Metros, and Brasilias (maybe more). AFAIK they're all in faded/peeling ameriflight colors, but the Metro we used to get in PDX had part of a very faded UPS logo on the rudder panel.



Quoting DeltaAVL (Reply 10):
I don't think UPS directly operates any other aircraft besides the ones I listed in reply 3.

Correct. I don't know if UPS is currently, but I do believe that they fly some for UPS relatively recently; I remember them bringing EMB-120's into SDF, I think. As some others have mentioned, there are lots of UPS feeder flights into/out of SDF and some other airports that are operated by contract carriers (not UPS), which generally fly turboprops. Some of these contract carriers and aircraft types include:
Air Cargo Carriers - Shorts 330 and 360
Suburban Air Freight - Beech 1900
US Check Airlines - Piper Navajo, Beech Baron
Mountain Air Cargo - Cessna 208 Caravan (all-freighter Cargomaster version), ATR-42
I may have missed some, but these are the ones that I can think of off the top of my head. FedEx also uses contract carriers, probably some of the same ones. From what I've noticed, these aircraft that fly for UPS don't have their livery. I know the Shorts have the Air Cargo Carriers livery, for example (I've only seen them at night, but they seem to have a white and navy blue fuselage, with the front half being white).
 
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RE: UPS Fleet

Thu Nov 15, 2007 4:49 pm

Wasnt the 100 series 747 just retired from ups in the last few weeks ???
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RE: UPS Fleet

Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:51 pm



Quoting BDKLEZ (Reply 27):
Come on guys, gimme a break. I made a mistake at "stupid o'clock" in the morning.
That error's been established way back in reply 19/20. Please read the thread before
continuing to have a pop at me. Thanks.

I tried to be as courteous as possible.

But yes, I agree, it's ridiculous to have multiple people correcting you for the same thing over and over, most in a not so pleasant manner. It only needs to be said once, otherwise you're just wasting bandwidth. This is kind of indemic to a.net though, I guess it makes them feel better about themselves to bash you for a simple mistake. Take it with a grain of salt. It's happened to me more times than I care to remember.
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RE: UPS Fleet

Thu Nov 15, 2007 5:57 pm



Quoting 777STL (Reply 1):
You should think long and hard before posting a message in this forum and make it detailed and a valuable addition to the topic discussed

Think long and hard? Besides the rather obvious innuendo, I think the last time I heard "long and hard" was when my dad was admonishing me when I was about 12. Smile
 
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RE: UPS Fleet

Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:28 pm



Quoting Aogdesk (Reply 34):
Think long and hard? Besides the rather obvious innuendo, I think the last time I heard "long and hard" was when my dad was admonishing me when I was about 12. Smile

That's the little warning a.net gives you when your post is too short.

"www.airfleets.net" was too short so I just decided to copy their little warning to make it long enough. Big grin
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RE: UPS Fleet

Thu Nov 15, 2007 9:53 pm



Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 32):
Wasnt the 100 series 747 just retired from ups in the last few weeks ???

I think we still have 5 -100's flying. I rode a/c 682 a -100 just last week.

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RE: UPS Fleet

Fri Nov 16, 2007 3:22 am

The 747 on the MEM-SDF route will be replaced by an MD-11 sometime next year when the 747s are retired. We need the large volume of the 747 because of our major customer out of MEM, Williams Sonoma, ships a large volume of packages on us.
 
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RE: UPS Fleet

Fri Nov 16, 2007 4:17 pm



Quoting JetJeanes (Reply 32):
Wasnt the 100 series 747 just retired from ups in the last few weeks ???

No, but through the next year, UPS will be retiring all of their 747 classics; all will be gone by January 2, 2009, just after next year's holiday rush. I will definitely miss seeing (and especially hearing) these grand old ladies at SDF.  cry 
The retirement process of these birds will start on 1/15/08, so it'll definitely be a fairly gradual retirement as their 6 remaining 744F's on order are delivered. UPS already has N570UP and N571UP, which are operating SDF-ANC.
Here's the schedule for retirement, which was posted by Jeffry747 in a previous thread about the retirement of this great aircraft:
N523UP: 1/15/07
N676UP (#70 off the production line): 2/9/08
N682UP: 3/15/08
N677UP: 5/10/08
N672UP: 7/5/08
N683UP: 8/9/08
N520UP: 12/26/08
N522UP: 12/28/08
N521UP: 1/02/09 (my 20th birthday!  bigthumbsup  )
 
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RE: UPS Fleet

Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:37 am



Quoting Smithfly114 (Reply 7):
Quincy-Gansner Field
Plumas County, CA
ID: 2O1

Ameriflight is one of the largest UPS contract carriers, with many stations in the west. Their route map ( http://www.ameriflight.com/About/about.asp ) shows Beckwourth, CA. Beckwourth is also in Plumas County, and is adjacent to Nervino Airport/Plumas County Airport (O02). 2O1 doesn't have published instrument procedures, while O02 does; cargo flights are often done at night, and poor weather performance is a big plus. Could he have been talking about O02 instead of 2O1?
 
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RE: UPS Fleet

Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:29 am



Quoting 747fan (Reply 26):
They also recently operated the 721, which they retired in July and August.

What happened to those 721s? They had all been recently re-engined too, no? Have they found another life?
 
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RE: UPS Fleet

Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:52 pm



Quoting Airnerd (Reply 40):
Quoting 747fan (Reply 26):
They also recently operated the 721, which they retired in July and August.

What happened to those 721s? They had all been recently re-engined too, no? Have they found another life?

The UPS 721 R-R Tay re-engining wasn't that recent. Mid-90s if not mistaken. The oldest A.net photo of a re-engined UPS 721 is dated 1993. Found the following posting dated 2004 in another forum re UPS 727s:

The 727-100’s are falling out of favor at UPS. With rapidly expanding volumes at most cities, it is easy to bulk out (most package companies have more of a problem with “bulking out” instead of “grossing out” an aircraft). Their use as a hot spare rescue aircraft is limited for this reason also……it takes more than one to rescue many cities volumes.
 
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RE: UPS Fleet

Sun Nov 18, 2007 11:12 pm



Quoting Airnerd (Reply 40):
What happened to those 721s? They had all been recently re-engined too, no? Have they found another life?

They were retired in July and August and flown out to the Roswell Air Center in New Mexico. So they're sitting out in the desert right now, I assume. They were re-engined with RR Tays in the early to mid-'90's (I think between about '93 and '96). They also had some LED displays installed in the cockpit, like the DC87's. I believe many, if not all of the UPS 721's are about 40 years old, so I wouldn't be surprised if they just end up being scrapped. However, I could see the engines on the aircraft to maybe find other lives, probably on Gulfstreams, as they're definitely pretty quiet, if not as quiet as the CFM56, V2500, or especially the BR715.
A side note: UPS also operated some 722's, none of which were re-engined with the RR's. I believe the last of these were retired about 6 or 7 years ago. I don't know the specifics of how many 722's UPS operated or when they were retired, as airfleets doesn't have the 727's on the UPS fleet page. I do know that there are currently no plans to retire proud old DC-8's within the next few years - what an incredible airplane. In fact, I saw a UPS DC87 taking off earlier this afternoon from SDF and even though it was probably pushing on 40 years of age, it still was climbing like a rocket, although that's probably because of they were re-engined with CFM's. By the way, those CFM's make a neat, almost spooky-sounding fan growl at takeoff power, definitely more noticeable than the CFM's on the 737/A320.
 
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RE: UPS Fleet

Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:45 am



Quoting 747fan (Reply 42):
Quoting Airnerd (Reply 40):
What happened to those 721s? They had all been recently re-engined too, no? Have they found another life?

They were retired in July and August and flown out to the Roswell Air Center in New Mexico. So they're sitting out in the desert right now, I assume. They were re-engined with RR Tays in the early to mid-'90's (I think between about '93 and '96). They also had some LED displays installed in the cockpit, like the DC87's. I believe many, if not all of the UPS 721's are about 40 years old, so I wouldn't be surprised if they just end up being scrapped. However, I could see the engines on the aircraft to maybe find other lives, probably on Gulfstreams, as they're definitely pretty quiet, if not as quiet as the CFM56, V2500, or especially the BR715.
A side note: UPS also operated some 722's, none of which were re-engined with the RR's. I believe the last of these were retired about 6 or 7 years ago. I don't know the specifics of how many 722's UPS operated or when they were retired, as airfleets doesn't have the 727's on the UPS fleet page. I do know that there are currently no plans to retire proud old DC-8's within the next few years - what an incredible airplane. In fact, I saw a UPS DC87 taking off earlier this afternoon from SDF and even though it was probably pushing on 40 years of age, it still was climbing like a rocket, although that's probably because of they were re-engined with CFM's. By the way, those CFM's make a neat, almost spooky-sounding fan growl at takeoff power, definitely more noticeable than the CFM's on the 737/A320.

Most of the 727s are sitting engineless as the engines were sold to Rolls to be used as oilfield pumps. The DC-8s will start being retired en masse starting in 2009.
 
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RE: UPS Fleet

Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:04 pm



Quoting BrowntailWhale (Reply 43):
The DC-8s will start being retired en masse starting in 2009.

Really? DARN!!! I'll miss the lovely, eerie takeoff sound (fan growl) of those CFM's! I wonder if those engines, like the Tays on the 721's, will also have a second life? I know they're not the same CFM56 variant as the ones on the 737/A320 series/A340, but they could maybe be used on KC-135's. I though I read somewhere that there were not current retirement plans for the DC87's, which meant they would've been around for probably another 5 years. I guess I was wrong! I'm guessing the 27 new 767's UPS has on order will replace these storied, grand old ladies that once proudly served UA and DL.
 
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RE: UPS Fleet

Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:27 pm



Quoting 747fan (Reply 26):
the 757 and DC-8 are "heavies

The 757-200's operated by UPS are not heavies. (They do not have the MGTOW mod to increase it over 255,000lbs). They fall under 757-200 wake turbulence seperation requirements. (Which differ from Heavies and other Large category aircraft).

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RE: UPS Fleet

Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:15 pm

In Europe thr B752 is considered has Heavy regarding wake turbulence category.
Spain even counts a B738 as a heavy! Have no idea why but they do
 
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RE: UPS Fleet

Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:41 pm



Quoting ATCT (Reply 45):
The 757-200's operated by UPS are not heavies. (They do not have the MGTOW mod to increase it over 255,000lbs). They fall under 757-200 wake turbulence seperation requirements. (Which differ from Heavies and other Large category aircraft).

I stand corrected; what about the DC-8's?
Changing the subject a bit, does anyone know when the next UPS 744F is scheduled to be delivered, or does anyone know the delivery schedule in general? All I know is that there are currently two of them in service: N570UP (the first one, delivered in late July) and N571UP (delivered in September).
 
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RE: UPS Fleet

Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:10 pm

The DC-8's are heavies. The -71's have a MTOW of 328.0 and the -73's are 355.0.

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RE: UPS Fleet

Tue Nov 20, 2007 9:40 am

Did UPS do something to commemorate their final 727 service, like FedEx did donating their last 727-100 to Le Bourget?
I didn't hear anything about the actual withdrawing, ferry flights or sightings at Roswell of their last 13 ships:
N918UP, 919, 922, 930, 932, 935, 936, 938, 940, 942, 944, 945 and 954
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