Umfolozi
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Delta's JFK - CPT Flights Now Loaded

Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:35 pm

I have just checked out DL's website and notice that the Cape Town flights are now loaded. The first flight (DL128) will depart JFK on June 4th, 2008. The flight will operate 3 times a week, via Dakar and a 763ER will be used on this route.
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Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:43 pm

Yep, its DL128 departing 15:50, arriving 15:55, days 2, 4, 7 only, on a 763.

However says "Subject to Government approval", but it is for sale.
Cheapest fare approx 1046USD + Taxes

Interesting new route anway, congrats if they make it work! I was curious to know why Delta has such a big south african interest though? Did they cease their agreements with SA?
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Sat Nov 17, 2007 2:50 pm



Quoting Carledwards (Reply 1):
Interesting new route anway, congrats if they make it work!

I'm sure the route is going to be extremely popular with our North American visitors.
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Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:05 pm



Quoting Carledwards (Reply 1):
Did they cease their agreements with SA?

Indeed. When SAA joined Star, the partnership with Delta was dropped in favor of Star Alliance member United.
 
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Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:13 pm

However, because of the DL codeshare for many years ATL-JNB, DL could start its own service to South Africa with great confidence. What will prove interesting is the crossing middle of the night connections at Dakar with eventual Nairobi flights as well.

I have no idea what the DKR airport is like, but it doesn't sound like a fun place to spend many hours if one of the flights is delayed or cancelled.
 
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Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:14 pm



Quoting UnitedFirst (Reply 3):
Indeed. When SAA joined Star, the partnership with Delta was dropped in favor of Star Alliance member United.

SAA also dropped ATL in favor of IAD service.
 
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Sat Nov 17, 2007 3:30 pm



Quoting Umfolozi (Thread starter):
The first flight (DL128) will depart JFK on June 4th, 2008.

Actually, the inaugural from JFK will depart on Tuesday June 3, 2008, arriving CPT on June 4. The inaugural from CPT will leave on June 4 in the late afternoon/early evening.

Quoting Carledwards (Reply 1):
However says "Subject to Government approval", but it is for sale.

Yes, this is standard - it is still subject to 'foreign govt approval' (like other new destinations) but since DL did recently receive US govt approval for it (they needed to clear this with the US DOT first because the US-South Africa bilateral only allows a limited number of US frequencies hence they had not been able to load the schedules or sell the flight until recently), they are now able to offer the flight for sale, at least from the US side.
 
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Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:54 pm



Quoting UnitedFirst (Reply 3):
Indeed. When SAA joined Star, the partnership with Delta was dropped in favor of Star Alliance member United.

thanks for the reply. did I read somewhere also that United are planning flights to SA too?
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Sat Nov 17, 2007 4:58 pm



Quoting Carledwards (Reply 7):
did I read somewhere also that United are planning flights to SA too?

Sounds like just a rumor. UA is more focused on adding more Asia destinations with their already high-utilized widebody fleet, and they have SAA after all. Next US carrier to add SA would probably be AA with service from MIA.

Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 4):
However, because of the DL codeshare for many years ATL-JNB, DL could start its own service to South Africa with great confidence.

Yup, knowing the loads and yields of your codeshare partner can come in quite handy Big grin .
 
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Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:00 pm

Where is Delta getting all this metal from - their expansion in the past 12 months has been phenomenal....
 
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Sat Nov 17, 2007 5:19 pm



Quoting Algoz (Reply 9):
Where is Delta getting all this metal from - their expansion in the past 12 months has been phenomenal....

764s being pulled off domestic routes (13 out of 21 so far) and 15 ex-TW 757s coming that both replace 763s on existing routes such as JFK-SNN and open up some of the new routes like JFK-LYS. And those 763s freed up by the 757s and 764s are being used for DL's push into Africa as well as Eastern Europe and the Middle East.
 
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Sat Nov 17, 2007 6:12 pm

Good move by DL.... Perhaps AA could start up a MIA-CPT/JNB route with a 777... that would be a sure money maker!!

SAA would i think still be flying the route if they didnt have to move it to ATL for DL. But now thats all over maybe we shall see SAA restart the route soon!!
 
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Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:31 pm

Great news for DL and CPT.
I wish - as usual - that DL would fly to South Africa (both JNB and CPT) via REC and not DKR.
What stop en route would passengers preffer between REC and DKR?
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Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:51 pm



Quoting Albird87 (Reply 11):
Good move by DL.... Perhaps AA could start up a MIA-CPT/JNB route with a 777... that would be a sure money maker!!

AA has stated, and it has been mentioned on this board on occasion, that American would rather serve JNB than CPT. Unfortunately for them, JNB is out of range, though a one stop via a West African destination (Lagos?) would be feasible.

Good luck to Delta, it is great to see them do what they are doing in Africa.
 
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Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:18 pm

Delta needs to upgrade their fleet. The 767 international fleet is horrible. I will continue to avoid Delta as long as they fly old junkers like 767s on their routes. However, I do recommend their 777s. I have been to JNB and CPT few times in my life, and the idea of flying the great distance from NYC to South Africa in a 767 is not appealing at all. However, Delta is building out a nice international network and as a Skyteam Elite Plus member I look forward to using their flights a lot more often once they complete some type of fleet upgrade.
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Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:39 pm



Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 14):
The 767 international fleet is horrible. I will continue to avoid Delta as long as they fly old junkers like 767s on their routes.

How is it horrible? The only thing I can think of is a lack of PTV's. Other that, the 767 is a comfortable aircraft with only 1 middle seat, the rest being aisles or windows. Their 767's would be junk if they fell apart consistently or had crap interiors (like AA 757's), but I see no evidence to prove that.
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Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:48 pm



Quoting RobertS975 (Reply 4):
because of the DL codeshare for many years ATL-JNB, DL could start its own service to South Africa with great confidence.

I'm not doubting you, but why exactly is that? Did DL originate a lot of traffic for SAA that didn't follow them to Star Alliance? For those in South Africa at least, I'd imagine they'd be members of the SAA FF program and thus would now be therefore be more interested in flying Star carriers.
 
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Sat Nov 17, 2007 10:50 pm



Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 14):
Delta needs to upgrade their fleet. The 767 international fleet is horrible. I will continue to avoid Delta as long as they fly old junkers like 767s on their routes. However, I do recommend their 777s. I have been to JNB and CPT few times in my life, and the idea of flying the great distance from NYC to South Africa in a 767 is not appealing at all. However, Delta is building out a nice international network and as a Skyteam Elite Plus member I look forward to using their flights a lot more often once they complete some type of fleet upgrade.

Guess you've never flown a DL international 764 then huh? Delta puts a 764 on their flight to Johannesburg which is just 7 years old. The seats have brand new leather fabric, new carpet, AVOD PTV's throughout, and a chance of only one middle seat. To top it all off, Delta has free booze on it's South Africa runs. Delta hardly flies 'old junkers' on the flight to JNB. You need to look up your facts the next time you come to such conclusions to avoid looking like such a fool!


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Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:23 am



Quoting Schipholjfk (Reply 14):
Delta needs to upgrade their fleet. The 767 international fleet is horrible. I will continue to avoid Delta as long as they fly old junkers like 767s on their routes. However, I do recommend their 777s. I have been to JNB and CPT few times in my life, and the idea of flying the great distance from NYC to South Africa in a 767 is not appealing at all. However, Delta is building out a nice international network and as a Skyteam Elite Plus member I look forward to using their flights a lot more often once they complete some type of fleet upgrade.

ok so with the avg. plane age of around 12 thats hardly old......but hey if want to give Delta the money to by 787s (or more T7s for that matter) I'm sure they would gladly take it
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Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:46 am



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 17):
Delta puts a 764 on their flight to Johannesburg which is just 7 years old

are DL flying the 764 to JNB yet? Last DL craft i saw at JNB was a 763...

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 17):
The seats have brand new leather fabric, new carpet, AVOD PTV's throughout, and a chance of only one middle seat

Go check out the SAA offering - Flat beds in business, AVOD in C and Y, new A343 and A346 on NYC and IAD, 33in pitch throughout Y (which makes a huge difference on a 15hour - 20 hour haul)

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 17):
Delta has free booze on it's South Africa runs

Only because SAA serves free booze on ALL its runs...

Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 12):
What stop en route would passengers preffer between REC and DKR?

My vote would be DKR as it would be slightly quicker. You dont get off the plane anyway.

I am glad to see DL opening these routes. SAA have had a monopoly on these routes for too long. Maybe the competition will drive prices on the direct US routes down as well - its ridiculous that its cheaper to fly to the US via Europe in most instances (especially if you need to get to the west coast). The only thing that keeps me on SAA is the legroom...
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Sun Nov 18, 2007 8:48 am



Quoting Pfletch1228 (Reply 19):
Quoting Evan767 (Reply 17):
Delta has free booze on it's South Africa runs

Only because SAA serves free booze on ALL its runs...

No, because DL serves free booze on all its trans-Atlantic and Pacific runs.
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Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:41 am



Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 20):
No, because DL serves free booze on all its trans-Atlantic and Pacific runs.

In C of course, but I think in Y it is only one free drink with the main meal, am I correct?

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Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:16 pm



Quoting Pfletch1228 (Reply 19):
Go check out the SAA offering - Flat beds in business, AVOD in C and Y, new A343 and A346 on NYC and IAD, 33in pitch throughout Y (which makes a huge difference on a 15hour - 20 hour haul)

SAA is a notoriously expensive airline for long haul flights. Sure, they have great seats, but value for your money, I would rather fly another airline if budget is a concern. On long haul trips from CPT to the US, I much rather fly via LHR on BA in Club or World Traveller Plus. Delta creates another option now!
 
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Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:19 pm



Quoting Jasondn (Reply 22):
Delta creates another option now!

Though oddly Delta to Europe tends to be expensive in the C cabin (unless you catch one of the irregular sales). Normally, a European carrier is cheaper.

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Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:28 pm



Quoting Davescj (Reply 23):
Though oddly Delta to Europe tends to be expensive in the C cabin (unless you catch one of the irregular sales). Normally, a European carrier is cheaper.

To be honest, I can never get my head around pricing! I do try, but it never works! I recently enquired a price from SAA in business class Johannesburg to Hong Kong and was quoted a fare of +/- ZAR 80,000 ($12,000). I flew then business class via Doha on Qatar for a little less than half of that price. It was about a month before the trip I enquired and my stay was for 6 days!
 
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Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:45 pm



Quoting Jasondn (Reply 24):
To be honest, I can never get my head around pricing!

I don't think anyone can. All you can do is watch what pops up. With expertflyer, or simlar, at least you can watch the fare buckets and have some hope of knowing what the range is, but that's it.

Or as I like to think of buying airline tickets: PLAYING CHICKEN.

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Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:00 pm



Quoting Davescj (Reply 21):
In C of course, but I think in Y it is only one free drink with the main meal, am I correct?

Yes, you are correct, but SA)">DL does not serve free alcohol because SA does.
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Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:42 pm



Quoting AirTranTUS (Reply 26):
Yes, you are correct, but SA)">DL does not serve free alcohol because SA does

OK, I stand corrected then  Wink When DL first started flying to JNB, they charged for booze. When I queried why they had subsequently made it free, the DL rep told me it was because they matched the competition in new markets. Glad to hear that they are doing it across all their new markets. Most full service flights into and out of SA, as well as domestic, offer free booze  Smile
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Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:32 pm



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 17):
The seats have brand new leather fabric, new carpet, AVOD PTV's throughout, and a chance of only one middle seat.

However 6-abreast (2-2-2) in business class on international 767s isn't very good. Carriers with 5-abreast (2-1-2 or 2-2-1) like CO/AZ and a few others (also AC 763s that haven't yet been converted to the 1-1-1 flat bed layout) are much more spacious.
 
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Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:43 pm



Quoting Davescj (Reply 21):
In C of course, but I think in Y it is only one free drink with the main meal, am I correct?

Correct, however South Africa is an exception. You get as much alcohol as you can handle on the ATL-JNB run.

Quoting Pfletch1228 (Reply 19):
are DL flying the 764 to JNB yet? Last DL craft i saw at JNB was a 763...

Guess you haven't been to JNB lately... It's been a 764 for almost a month.

Quoting Pfletch1228 (Reply 19):
Go check out the SAA offering - Flat beds in business, AVOD in C and Y, new A343 and A346 on NYC and IAD, 33in pitch throughout Y (which makes a huge difference on a 15hour - 20 hour haul)

Delta will soon have flat beds in Business as well. But for now you'll just have to save hundreds of dollars and put up with Delta's current Business product. Wow alright, so SAA is offering AVOD in C and Y, so is Delta. New A343 and A346? Alright, Delta has a 7 year-old 764, hardly old. Delta also has 33 in pitch throughout Y. Delta also offers 18" width in Y, SAA 17" (which makes a huge difference on a 15hour - 20 hour haul).

Quoting Pfletch1228 (Reply 19):
Only because SAA serves free booze on ALL its runs...

Yep..... Your point? Delta still offers free booze.
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Mon Nov 19, 2007 5:36 pm



Quoting Evan767 (Reply 29):
Delta also has 33 in pitch throughout Y.

Oh. I was told pitch on the 764 was between 31 and 33 inches, with the bulk of the seats being at 31 inches. All the SAA seats are at 33 inch pitch. Do you perhaps know which rows on the 764 are at 33in? I was also told that the pitch on the 763 was between 31 and 32 inches, with the bulk of the seats again being at 31 inches. The DL website seems to substantiate this. Ideal for me would be 33 in pitch with 18in width - I am a very tall lad  Smile

Quoting Evan767 (Reply 29):
Guess you haven't been to JNB lately

Yip, saw one this eve. It is indeed the 764 now. My apologies.

Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 28):
However 6-abreast (2-2-2) in business class on international 767s isn't very good. Carriers with 5-abreast (2-1-2 or 2-2-1) like CO/AZ and a few others (also AC 763s that haven't yet been converted to the 1-1-1 flat bed layout) are much more spacious.

The new DL Biz product is identical to the new AC biz product (and a knock off of the Virgin Upper Class). It is a very good product...
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Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:41 pm



Quoting Pfletch1228 (Reply 30):
Oh. I was told pitch on the 764 was between 31 and 33 inches, with the bulk of the seats being at 31 inches. All the SAA seats are at 33 inch pitch. Do you perhaps know which rows on the 764 are at 33in? I was also told that the pitch on the 763 was between 31 and 32 inches, with the bulk of the seats again being at 31 inches. The DL website seems to substantiate this. Ideal for me would be 33 in pitch with 18in width - I am a very tall lad

No, I am not aware which rows are 33".

Quoting Pfletch1228 (Reply 30):
Yip, saw one this eve. It is indeed the 764 now. My apologies.

Its allright, sorry for being defensive. I've flown SAA from JNB-CPT-JNB and thought they were an amazing airline. Was shocked to be served a full meal with free booze.
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