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ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Sat Nov 17, 2007 7:27 pm

I was wondering if it was true that ANC is (or is planning/wishing to be) U.S.A. only airport to allow TWOV these days.
Anybody has more info about this?
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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:42 pm



Quoting 2travel2know (Thread starter):
I was wondering if it was true that ANC is (or is planning/wishing to be) U.S.A. only airport to allow TWOV these days.
Anybody has more info about this?

What is TWOV?
 
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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Sat Nov 17, 2007 8:43 pm



Quoting COERJ145 (Reply 1):
What is TWOV?


I was wondering the same thing.
 
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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:01 pm

Transit Without Visa?
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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:02 pm

TWOV = Transit With Out Visa

Arrive on an Int'l flight to ANC and depart on another Int'l flight from ANC without holding a Visa for the US
 
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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Sat Nov 17, 2007 9:48 pm

I believe that's hardly true.. Please provide references to what you're saying.

At least in ANC's north terminal, whenever there is a flight coming in from Asia, they close off part of the hallways in the upper deck in order to redirect the incoming passengers towards the customs area. Once everyone is through, they reopen the hallways and use all the gates for domestic flights. If they want to allow in-transit international passengers without having a US Visa, they would have to build an special secure area or in-transit lounge with some minimum amenities. I believe such idea wouldn't make much economic sense for ANC or the city.

Please provide references or avoid making speculative comments.
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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Sat Nov 17, 2007 10:55 pm

Ok, I think you are confusing the program I will post below with TWOV -- I think they are two separate programs. Alas, the program linked below is the only such one in the United States and took quite a bit of work to get in place.

http://ktuu.com/Global/story.asp?s=6069300

Quoting Hagic (Reply 5):
I believe that's hardly true.. Please provide references to what you're saying.

The orignal poster clearly was asking a question and not stating it as solid fact. No need to jump on him for asking "if something is true" or asking for further information.

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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Sat Nov 17, 2007 11:16 pm



Quoting RyDawg82 (Reply 6):
Ok, I think you are confusing the program I will post below with TWOV -- I think they are two separate programs. Alas, the program linked below is the only such one in the United States and took quite a bit of work to get in place.

http://ktuu.com/Global/story.asp?s=6...69300

That's exactly what I was looking to confirm.
This means that any Asian airline wishing to fly to Latinamerica could stop in ANC and the passengers won't need U.S. visas just to transit in the same aircraft thru a U.S. Airport.
Doubt a Latinamerican airline would fly to Asia via ANC soon, but at least those athletes flying charters to Beijin Olympics 2008 won't be needing visas if they stop in ANC.
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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:29 am



Quoting 2travel2know (Reply 7):
That's exactly what I was looking to confirm.
This means that any Asian airline wishing to fly to Latinamerica could stop in ANC and the passengers won't need U.S. visas just to transit in the same aircraft thru a U.S. Airport.
Doubt a Latinamerican airline would fly to Asia via ANC soon, but at least those athletes flying charters to Beijin Olympics 2008 won't be needing visas if they stop in ANC.

Keep in mind, all that is allowed is if a flight in your example was going from Asia to Latin America....The passengers could deplane while the aircraft is serviced. They could enjoy the shops and dining in the airport. They wouldn't be connecting to other flights, or leaving the secured area. This is simply and exemption to allow them to just not have to be stuck on board, as was previously the case..

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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:59 am

I work at ANC and can confirm the details of this program, although I have never heard it referred to by TWOV.
But yeah- up until last year, apparently all the Cathay Pacific pax had to sit onboard those A340s (which is torture in the first place, but I digress) during the refuel process. Which necessitates emergency vehicles be present in case of a fueling mishap...
But yeah, now they are allowed off the plane.
 
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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:23 am



Quoting AA737-823 (Reply 9):
But yeah- up until last year, apparently all the Cathay Pacific pax had to sit onboard those A340s (which is torture in the first place, but I digress) during the refuel process. Which necessitates emergency vehicles be present in case of a fueling mishap...
But yeah, now they are allowed off the plane.

Only one way, to YTO, not allowed off on the way to HKG. They seem to change their mind there almost yearly, use to be the other way around.

Fire trucks are still present on the return leg for the refuel.
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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:46 am

What airlines currently use ANC for tech-stops?

During it's peak, how many different airlines used to make the tech-stops in ANC on their way across the pacific?
 
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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Sun Nov 18, 2007 5:31 am



Quoting Twolz2rn (Reply 11):
During it's peak, how many different airlines used to make the tech-stops in ANC on their way across the pacific?

In the early 80s, LH, SwissAir, BA, AF, KL, Sabena, SK, JL, KL, and CI all made at least a tech stop, if not having full traffic rights. I loved going out there in the late afternoon and seeing them all bunched up around the N Terminal. At the time, they were the only ones that used it, everyone else was in the S Terminal. The most common visitor was JL, always at least two daily, but I remember days when there would be four on the ground at the same time.
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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:05 am

Same here in GUM with PAL refuel PAX have to stay on and refuel with firetucks standing by...but all pax are from USA ,LAX/SFO so dont know if they have to do it that way????? I think they want the pax to nap so they can get on to MNL ASAP
 
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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:14 pm

What airlines currently use ANC for tech-stops?
 
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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:18 pm



Quoting Twolz2rn (Reply 14):
What airlines currently use ANC for tech-stops?

Tons of cargo carriers, plus passenger carriers like CX, KE and CI
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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:18 pm

You can transit the US in many airports (Asia to DTW, ORD DFW SFO LAX NYC etc) to Canada or Mexico or South America. In these cases, an airline employee usually walks the passenger(s) to their next gate to ensure they continue out of the US.
 
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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Sun Nov 18, 2007 6:49 pm

Related question: So what if I want to fly to CDG (for example) from the U.S. via BA? Do I have to clear UK customs before continuing to CDG? Or can all PAX with intl origins and destinations connect through LHR? Or is it just Visa Waiver Program countries? Why is it such a big deal for people just to get off the plane for an hour (in the int'l terminal?) And why couldn't they connect int'l to int'l at ANC?

I'm just a little confused because I know people connect through places like LHR and FRA all the time without "entering" the hub country. Is it just a U.S. thing that people couldn't for instance fly AA NRT-ORD-LHR (not that you'd want to take the long way around) without clearing U.S. customs?
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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Sun Nov 18, 2007 7:03 pm



Quoting MQTmxguy (Reply 17):
Is it just a U.S. thing that people couldn't for instance fly AA NRT-ORD-LHR (not that you'd want to take the long way around) without clearing U.S. customs?

yes because 1. Homeland Security are paranoid about foreigners, 2. US airports are too cheap to invest in the necessary infrastructure in buildings to segregate screened passengers
 
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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:52 pm



Quoting MQTmxguy (Reply 17):
I'm just a little confused because I know people connect through places like LHR and FRA all the time without "entering" the hub country.

If you connect at LHR to any other international destinations you don't have to clear customs/immigration at LHR. You just clear security before proceeding to the connecting terminal/gate. If the UK was part of the Schengen agreement then you would have to clear immigration at LHR if you were connecting to another Schengen country since it would be your first point of arrival in the Schengen area which for practical purposes is treated like one country for immigration/border control purposes, i.e. you only clear border controls at your first point of entry and last point of departure from any of the 15 Schengen countries (currently Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Iceland, Italy, Greece, Luxembourg, Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, Spain and Sweden). More countries (e.g.Switzerland) are due to join the Schengen agreement within the next year or two.

If you were connecting at FRA/CDG/AMS which are Schengen countries, then you clear immigration there if you are connecting to another Schengen destination, but not if you're connecting to a non-Schengen point.
 
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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:23 pm



Quoting MQTmxguy (Reply 17):
Is it just a U.S. thing that people couldn't for instance fly AA NRT-ORD-LHR (not that you'd want to take the long way around) without clearing U.S. customs?

I believe that you can still transit LAX on Air NZ's NZ1/NZ2 en route AKL-LAX-LHR and v/v without formally "entering" the USA, but that there are more restrictions than there used to be. Anyone been on that flight recently?
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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:39 am



Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 20):

I believe that you can still transit LAX on Air NZ's NZ1/NZ2 en route AKL-LAX-LHR and v/v without formally "entering" the USA, but that there are more restrictions than there used to be.

I think the reason for this is that there is a rudimentary transit lounge set up in T2. From what I hear, it isn't much of a place.
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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Mon Nov 19, 2007 2:51 pm



Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 20):
I believe that you can still transit LAX on Air NZ's NZ1/NZ2 en route AKL-LAX-LHR and v/v without formally "entering" the USA, but that there are more restrictions than there used to be. Anyone been on that flight recently?

Not according to my travel agent.. was planning my trip back to the UK next year, my wife who holds a Philippines passport was told she would require a transit visa if we went CHC-AKL-LAX-LHR-EDI. As a result SQ wins our custom yet again CHC-SIN-LHR-EDI it is.
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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:31 pm



Quoting N1120A (Reply 21):
I think the reason for this is that there is a rudimentary transit lounge set up in T2. From what I hear, it isn't much of a place.

congratulations on that overstatement you made here. It's a disgrace for the USA, actually. Not sure if that is still in use, but transitting through this place was really no fun. When I did that, I actually had a Visa (that was before the waiver prgram) but there was no proivision for passengers with Visa entering.

I transitted through ANC several times when flights had to stop there on the way Europe to Asia and vv. That was more pleasant. they had a huge Polar Baer in the lounge and duty free shops.

Except that the US wants to know who is on a flight crossing their airspace, (which is OK, especially after 9/11)., I do not see a requirement for transit Visa. Especially in the old days, when flights made more stops, I have been through numerous countries where one could go into the transit lounge. Only a few, like Saudi Arabia or Syria required people to stay in board.
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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:43 pm

What are the services in ANC inside the secure area? I was told there was just a coffee stand, washrooms and lounge seating. The source is a little dubious so I would be interested in confirmation. Even if it is a secure area, there are a lot of people who still do not want to transit the U.S. in any way. AC is picking up incremental business this way. This business would be lost though if the threat to have any overflights of US airspace register all their passengers with Homeland Security.
 
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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Mon Nov 19, 2007 3:52 pm



Quoting Pnwtraveler (Reply 24):
AC is picking up incremental business this way. This business would be lost though if the threat to have any overflights of US airspace register all their passengers with Homeland Security.

I don't see that happening though. The U.S. and Canada enjoy too may mutual liberties with each other (i.e. pre-flight customs, driving privileges, open borders) to get pissy over small stuff like that
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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:17 pm

I recall that you used to be able to TWOV via MIA too. I've done it several times, routing LHR-MIA and onward to GYE, UIO, BOG, MDE, BAQ, CCS, CLO, EZE, GRU and MVD. You enter a little lounge area on the left hand-side of a corridor before US immigration in Terminal E, then you're escorted onward to your connecting flight.

I have no idea if this still happens though, I last transited MIA in August 2004, en-route to MVD.

At the carrier I work at, we still have the ability to use I.T.I. tags for baggage via MIA. (I.T.I. = In-Transit International). I.T.I. bags are not US-customs cleared, and are simply x-rayed and loaded onto the onward aircraft. Quite convenient really.
 
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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:54 pm

China Airlines from TPE-ANC-JFK and back JFK-ANC-TPE. China Airlines passengers they go out the plane every time, during 2 hours in Anchorage they can stay inside the plane thay can go out shopping, eat and drink in the restaurant and walk around only in the international passengers area from Gates N2, N4, N6 and N8. Eva Air will start soon TPE-JFK-ANC-TPE. Cathay Pacific passengers can't go out the plane during 2 hours in Anchorage they stay inside the plane. Just China Airlines, Eva Air passengers use to go out the plane and go shopping. Korean Air and Asiana Airlines used too.

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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:13 pm



Quoting RyDawg82 (Reply 8):
Keep in mind, all that is allowed is if a flight in your example was going from Asia to Latin America....The passengers could deplane while the aircraft is serviced. They could enjoy the shops and dining in the airport. They wouldn't be connecting to other flights, or leaving the secured area. This is simply and exemption to allow them to just not have to be stuck on board, as was previously the case..

At least for parts of South America, it might make some sense geographically for HNL to have this exemption as well.
 
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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:44 pm

There is a big difference in allowing passengers to transit the US from one int'l flight to another without a visa and a place to hold passengers while their aircraft is being cleaned/catered/gassed/crew changed.

From the description above of ANC, it seems like ANC has a place to hold passengers for the short tech stop. Not an actual holding area for customers transiting the US to another foreign country and bypassing customs and immigrations.

Quoting LHR777 (Reply 26):
At the carrier I work at, we still have the ability to use I.T.I. tags for baggage via MIA. (I.T.I. = In-Transit International). I.T.I. bags are not US-customs cleared, and are simply x-rayed and loaded onto the onward aircraft. Quite convenient really.

CO is doing this in IAH, at least as a test. About time, really.
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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:38 pm



Quoting Hagic (Reply 5):
If they want to allow in-transit international passengers without having a US Visa, they would have to build an special secure area or in-transit lounge with some minimum amenities. I believe such idea wouldn't make much economic sense for ANC or the city.

Not necessarily, this would be a Direct Airside Transit (DAT), which is different from In Transit (IT). Some countries may not require visa's for passengers who are DAT, but will for those who are IT. What's the difference? Well, with a TWOV you would usually clear Immigration and be admitted to the country for upto 24 hours. For example, you fly from CDG-JFK and then catch a connecting flight from LGA-YYZ the same day. With a DAT, you would not usually clear Immigration and would remain airside the entire time.
Some countries require certain citizens to even have a Direct Airside Transit Visa (DATV) , If you would need a DATV you would almost certainly not be able to TWOV.
 
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RE: ANC U.S.A. Only Twov Airport Now?

Mon Nov 19, 2007 11:03 pm



Quoting MQTmxguy (Reply 25):
The U.S. and Canada enjoy too may mutual liberties with each other (i.e. pre-flight customs, driving privileges, open borders)

Not sure what you mean by "open borders" but since January this year airline passengers between Canada and USA have required a passport, and I believe that requirement is to be implemented for border crossings by land or water at some future date (currently you need a birth certificate or citizenship certificate when crossing by land or water).