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Sun Nov 18, 2007 1:49 am

There is often speculation here about the "unidentified" orders on Boeing's ordersheet but one seems to me to be particularly interesting.

In March Boeing sold five 777-200ERs. No engine choice has been announced.

(This was just four days after BA ordered 4 x 777-200ER but I very much doubt if the two orders are connected.)

Should we assume that this order is a top-up from an existing customer? It seems improbable that a new operator would choose the 772ER. (Though it's not impossible.)

So which existing airline is adding to their fleet?

My own guesses?

All Nippon (they are good at buying planes in small numbers and are often initially "unidentified")
PIA (remember that much of their fleet has been banned from Europe)

Might NZ be adding more?
Thai?
Could El Al use five more?
CO?
KL?
Either of the Korean operators?

Who can we rule out?

AF
UA
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AA
DL
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Anyone got any better ideas?
 
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Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:16 am

Good Question. I can't think of one of those above mentioned airlines that would be better served picking up 5 more 772ERs than the others.

I think its ANA or AF. Maybe CO wants to keep growing out of EWR and wants 5 more. No way El Al takes 5 more. UA and AA should buy at least 6 773ERs, put them on their best routes with new premium interiors.
 
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Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:16 am

AA can almost certainly be ruled out. They still have a few more on order, and any new aircraft orders will be for an MD80 replacement or a 767/A300 replacement (ie. 787 or A350).
 
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Sun Nov 18, 2007 2:21 am

I would rule out CO as their quarterly report does not identify these, not that they do not need them. Could also be a leasing company with flexibility to change models as customers are firmed up.
 
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Quoting PanAm330 (Reply 2):
AA can almost certainly be ruled out. They still have a few more on order

...and pushed back for delivery in 2013 or something like that. I doubt if they'll ever receive the ones they have on order, far less order more.  Sad

Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 1):
I think its ANA or AF.

AF? Perhaps you are right though I've been assuming that all future AF orders would be for the 2nd generation models.
 
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Quoting FUN2FLY (Reply 3):
Could also be a leasing company with flexibility to change models as customers are firmed up.

I doubt it. Leasing companies don't buy yesterday's planes. If it is a leasing company then they aren't buying 777-200ERs on spec but already have a taker. And that more or less takes us back to where we started.

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Quoting PM (Thread starter):
PIA (remember that much of their fleet has been banned from Europe)

Slight correction, most of the B747s and A310s have been cleared to fly to the EU since July. Unfortunately PK is up to it's eyeballs in debt so this order for PK is unlikely.
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Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:21 am

Albeit 5 frames is a wee bit overboard, I wouldn't be surprised if these were ILFC's orders for AM. AM is in dire need for widebodies to reinforce MEX-NRT to 3x/week, upgrade MEX-EZE to 772 and/or increase frequencies (LF has been lingering on 90-100% on B762ERs for two months), upgrade MEX-CDG to 772 and, redeploy B762s to both the upcoming MEX-BCN opening and reinforcing MEX-SCL.

I believe 5 frames would be one or two too many for the foregoing plans, but hey, is just mere speculation. AM has a history of not disclosing orders until a few months before the a/c enter into revenue service.

My 2 cents.

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Quoting Imiakhtar (Reply 6):
Slight correction

Thank you.

Quoting Imiakhtar (Reply 6):
most of the B747s and A310s have been cleared to fly to the EU since July

I wasn't aware of that. Looks like we can strike PK from my list.

Quoting Cessnalady (Reply 7):
I wouldn't be surprised if these were ILFC's orders for AM

Yes, maybe I should have had AM on my list of probables above. They are, after all, only in the early days of operating 777s - compared to many airlines who've had them for a decade and probably won't be adding to their fleets now.
 
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Sun Nov 18, 2007 3:45 am

why rule out DL? that way ATL-ICN,ATL-DXB can go 7x and then add ATL-JBN and ATL-HKG would that be 5 or 6? and that way they wouldn't have to waste a 77L on these routes in range of the 772ER then the 77Ls range can be better used (ATL-SYD,ATL-SIN)
and wouldnt that make you happy PM? more RR trents for Delta

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Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 9):
and wouldnt that make you happy PM? more RR trents for Delta

It would make me extremely happy! But all the signals are that DL sees the 772LR as its workhorse for its biggest long-haul routes. Agreed, that's more plane than they need for several routes but I just can't see them topping up their 772ER fleet. Shame.  Sad
 
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Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:21 am

TG has taken two 77Es recently and there are two KE 77Es at PAE right now. So they might have added to their orders.
 
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 11):
TG has taken two 77Es

If you don't mind my asking - is 77E a code for a -200ER?

As for the speculation: how about Varig rebuilding it's longhaul fleet? Or perhaps Air Austral - they seem to be in something of an expansion mode.
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Quoting Leskova (Reply 12):
perhaps Air Austral

Such airlines did come to mind but five just seems too many. KQ, for example, might squeeze in one more - but not five.
 
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Quoting PM (Thread starter):
Might NZ be adding more?

Is possible but unlikely. NZ has just ordered a bunch of 773ER to replace its 744. It does still have purchase rights to more 777 tho... I think they will however order the 7810 and top up their 773ER order and end the leases on their 772ERs around 2013.
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Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:24 am

I ordered one, it's being delivered next week via FedEx.  rotfl 

DL I could see taking them, as well as AM. Who knows? Maybe they're just ghost orders.  biggrin 
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Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:46 am

Maybe they're for BI - lots about them close to ordering 777s in local press lately.
 
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Sun Nov 18, 2007 9:58 am

If the customer is a public company, then one would expect that major capex would be reported in quarterly or annual investor filings. ANA did not disclose a purchase like this in their annual report for fiscal year ending 31 March 2007. (Boeing records the order on 30 March). So it is probably not ANA.

By the way there are also the other mystery four unidentified -200LRs ordered this year, though there was some speculation that those -200LRs could be for Royal Brunei (who have recently been acquiring used 777-200ERs).
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Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 14):
Quoting PM (Thread starter):
Might NZ be adding more?

Is possible but unlikely. NZ has just ordered a bunch of 773ER to replace its 744. It does still have purchase rights to more 777 tho... I think they will however order the 7810 and top up their 773ER order and end the leases on their 772ERs around 2013.

NZ have said publicly that there are no new aircraft coming for long-haul until the 789s arrive. Mind you, they are short of capacity right now.
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Sun Nov 18, 2007 10:13 am

One other point of interest is that there were eight unidentified 787-8s ordered on the same day.
If it were the same customer that ordered the five 777-200ERs and eight 787-8s, would this help the speculation?
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MH will announce an order in January: Malaysia Al Will Buy New Planes In January (by FCKC Nov 18 2007 in Civil Aviation)
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Quoting PM (Thread starter):
PIA (remember that much of their fleet has been banned from Europe)

Why was PIA having issues with Europe? Were the maintenance checks (or something similar) not being done? Last time I was in LHR, in Oct, I thought I saw a PIA plane. Was I wrong?

I wouldn't be surprised by a DL order. They SERIOUSLY want to expand overseas. As others have pointed out, ref the CPT thread, this is a money maker for them. I could see DL wanting to expand the JFK -- DAK -- CPT route to a 777 or even the ATL -- JNB route......and, of course, there are other cities I'm sure they'd like to fly to. They've pulled alot of 767 off domestic routes in fav of international routes.

According to the Boeing website, DL has one order in for a 777......can you really order only one with the current expansion?

Unless DL plans to use 737s domestically and expand using 757s?

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Quoting Davescj (Reply 21):
Why was PIA having issues with Europe? Were the maintenance checks (or something similar) not being done? Last time I was in LHR, in Oct, I thought I saw a PIA plane. Was I wrong?

No, the B777s have been flying to Europe more or less unhindered - it was the A310s and B747s that were banned, and that was for maintenance reasons.

There's been quite some "coverage" of all this around here...
EU Ban On All But 7 PIA Aircraft, Plans To Lease (by Legoguy Mar 8 2007 in Civil Aviation) PIA, CAA Were Aware Of Serious Lapses (by Zshaheer Mar 15 2007 in Civil Aviation) How Has PIA Been Doing With Recent Aircraft Ban? (by AlitaliaMD11 Apr 14 2007 in Civil Aviation) PIA Looks To Reinstate More Flights To EU (by LIPZ Jul 4 2007 in Civil Aviation) PIA Drop Frankfurt Also To Quit Chicago (by 777way Jul 31 2007 in Civil Aviation)

... just to name a few...  Wink
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Quoting Davescj (Reply 21):
I wouldn't be surprised by a DL order. They SERIOUSLY want to expand overseas. As others have pointed out, ref the CPT thread, this is a money maker for them. I could see DL wanting to expand the JFK -- DAK -- CPT route to a 777 or even the ATL -- JNB route......and, of course, there are other cities I'm sure they'd like to fly to. They've pulled alot of 767 off domestic routes in fav of international routes.

According to the Boeing website, DL has one order in for a 777......can you really order only one with the current expansion?

Delta has 2x 777-200LRs coming in Spring next year.

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ok you guys are all wrong! My sources tell me they are for southwest! And its about time if you ask me!
 
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Quoting Leskova (Reply 12):
If you don't mind my asking - is 77E a code for a -200ER?

Yes.

Quoting ZTagged (Reply 15):
DL I could see taking them, as well as AM.

DL converted their remaining 77E orders to 77Ls, so I don't expect them to be taking any more 77Es.

Quoting Leskova (Reply 12):
As for the speculation: how about Varig rebuilding it's longhaul fleet? Or perhaps Air Austral - they seem to be in something of an expansion mode.

There are rumors of Airbus scoring a major Brazilian order and RG was rumored to be a possible A350 customer.
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Sun Nov 18, 2007 4:28 pm

Someone (Stich was it you?) reported that AVITAS data indicated that the purchase (not list) price of a -200LR was only 4% more than a -200ER because of the much more aggressive discounting of the -200LR. If this is still the case, it is hard to understand why any current/future operator of the -200LR/-300ER would procure new-build -200ERs since the -LR is far more capable airplane for little more cost. Is there anything to suggest that the -200ER is still much more fuel efficient than the -200LR for short missions? If not, then paraphrasing what the OP and others have said, it would more likely that this mystery customer (for -200ERs) would be an operator that has no plans to acquire -200LRs or -300ERs (or a leasing company that will place these -200ERs with such an operator).

After those conversions of previous -200ER orders, DL now have six -LRs on order.
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Quoting WestWing (Reply 26):
Someone (Stich was it you?) reported that AVITAS data indicated that the purchase (not list) price of a -200LR was only 4% more than a -200ER because of the much more aggressive discounting of the -200LR. If this is still the case, it is hard to understand why any current/future operator of the -200LR/-300ER would procure new-build -200ERs since the -LR is far more capable airplane for little more cost.

If you only fly 772s and 77Es with RR or PW power, buying 77Ls means you have to support GE power or sign a contract with someone to support it for you. That can raise the operating costs. Even if you are a GE90 operator already, adding the -11xB is an additional support cost since it has differences.

Things like airport landing fees and such can also be higher with the 77L due to it's greater MEW and if you are not payload-restricted with your 77Es, then a 77L might not really be an advantage.
 
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Quoting PM (Thread starter):
In March Boeing sold five 777-200ERs. No engine choice has been announced.

Thats the key here. NO ENGINES ANNOUNCED.

Means: new customer.

On that same day: an unidentified order for 4 737-800s, and an unidentified order for 8 787-8s (basically an entire fleet).

I am willing to bet these all belong to some new startup airline.
 
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Quoting PM (Thread starter):
In March Boeing sold five 777-200ERs. No engine choice has been announced.

Although I believe the B777-200 freighters are LR models, I believe these may have been the Cargo360.com order. They had some on order that weren't announced. If you note during the Southern Air "merger" with Cargo360.com, the B777s are noted there. Also, Southern Air is still intending on obtaining the B777s that Cargo360.com ordered, so, unless these are documented on Boeing's site already, this may end the speculation.

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Quoting A340Spotter (Reply 29):
Although I believe the B777-200 freighters are LR models, I believe these may have been the Cargo360.com order.

A 77F is based on the 77L airframe, so by default, a 77F is a 77L.  Smile
 
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Quoting Stitch (Reply 27):
If you only fly 772s and 77Es with RR or PW power, buying 77Ls means you have to support GE power or sign a contract with someone to support it for you. That can raise the operating costs. Even if you are a GE90 operator already, adding the -11xB is an additional support cost since it has differences.

Since your comment seemed to be directed at me, was there something in my post that led you to believe that I do not already know what you said?

Quoting Stitch (Reply 27):
Things like airport landing fees and such can also be higher with the 77L

Yes, that is a valid point. I guess we will know when the customer is announced, but I, personally, would be a bit surprised if this unknown customer for the -200ERs is already a -200LR/-300ER customer.

Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 28):
Thats the key here. NO ENGINES ANNOUNCED

Perhaps, but not necessarily "the key". A published engine choice allows more accurate guessing about the identity of the customer. If an existing customer did not want the order disclosed, they may not have wanted the engine choice disclosed either (even if the choice had been made). For example, there is a separate single unidentified order for a 777-200ER where GE power has been announced. It makes it easier to speculate that this one might be for TAAG, since TAAG operates GE-powered birds and there is a TAAG 777-200ER coming up fairly soon in the firing order.
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Quoting WestWing (Reply 31):
Since your comment seemed to be directed at me, was there something in my post that led you to believe that I do not already know what you said?

It was because I didn't read it properly and didn't notice you said "77L/77W operator".  embarrassed 
 
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Quoting PM (Thread starter):
Should we assume that this order is a top-up from an existing customer? It seems improbable that a new operator would choose the 772ER. (Though it's not impossible.)

Correct. Both the existing UFO 777-200ER orders (5 & 1) are from existing 777-200ER operators.

Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 9):
why rule out DL?

Because DL is focusing their current int'l expansion strategy around the 777-200LR and rerouting 767-300ER/-400ER's.

Quoting Leskova (Reply 12):
Or perhaps Air Austral - they seem to be in something of an expansion mode.

True. OTOH, Air Austral has leased all their 777's so far, and don't appear to be on course to differ from that.

Quoting WestWing (Reply 19):
One other point of interest is that there were eight unidentified 787-8s ordered on the same day.
If it were the same customer that ordered the five 777-200ERs and eight 787-8s, would this help the speculation?

Possible if it were the case. Unfortunately, these are two seperate orders from two seperate companies.

Quoting A340Spotter (Reply 29):
I believe these may have been the Cargo360.com order. They had some on order that weren't announced.

They were announced by the parent of Cargo 360 - Oak Hill Partners. This order is publically booked on Boeing's site.


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Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 33):
Both the existing UFO 777-200ER orders (5 & 1) are from existing 777-200ER operators.

Are you at liberty to comment on the possibility that the customer for the single UFO may be identified within the next two weeks?
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Quoting Kaitak744 (Reply 28):
NO ENGINES ANNOUNCED.

Holy Crap NO ENGINES! hope I don't fly this bird! LOL  duck 

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Quoting PM (Thread starter):
Should we assume that this order is a top-up from an existing customer? It seems improbable that a new operator would choose the 772ER. (Though it's not impossible.)

So which existing airline is adding to their fleet?

There was an order for 4 738s, 5 772ERs and 8 787s on the same day. I do not see why these are not for the same airline. Kind of like 30 787s and 5 77Fs on the same day for QR.
That makes me think that we possibly are looking for a current operator of 737s and 772s. As far as I know the 787s are for a new customer, not an existing one. So according to this we can rule out many current 737/777 operators like CO or JL.
So I believe the question should be who is now left of these operators who do not have ordered the 787 yet?? El Al comes to mind, they were recently talking about renewing their 787 order and getting some more w/b planes. Also the size of the order seems about right.

My second theory is a Leasing Company. GEACS??
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Quoting LH506 (Reply 36):
My second theory is a Leasing Company. GEACS??

I think if GECAS (not GEACS  Wink ) were to order the 787, they would have made a very big deal about, and probably ordered more (seeing as how they have not ordered it yet).

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Quoting PM (Thread starter):
In March Boeing sold five 777-200ERs. No engine choice has been announced.

And 1 more on 10/2006:

Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 33):
Correct. Both the existing UFO 777-200ER orders (5 & 1) are from existing 777-200ER operators.

So, we have 6 unidentified 777-200ER orders, one with GE engines:



As C-Lady mentioned, one of them could probably be delivered to AM (GE T7 operator); besides, there are rumors and posts by other Mexican A.netters that AM will receive a brand new T7 by the end of January, mid-2008, etc. This new T7 will be deployed for the new service to Asia:

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    Quoting WestWing (Reply 34):
    Are you at liberty to comment on the possibility that the customer for the single UFO may be identified within the next two weeks?

    If they are going to be identified in the next few weeks, perhaps we should just wait. . . .  Wink

    Quoting LH506 (Reply 36):
    I do not see why these are not for the same airline.

    Because they're not. Although I can't speak to the 737's (honestly, I don't really follow narrowbodies), the 777's and 787's are two different customers.

    Quoting LH506 (Reply 36):
    As far as I know the 787s are for a new customer, not an existing one.

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    Quoting Cessnalady (Reply 7):
    Albeit 5 frames is a wee bit overboard, I wouldn't be surprised if these were ILFC's orders for AM. AM is in dire need for widebodies to reinforce MEX-NRT to 3x/week, upgrade MEX-EZE to 772 and/or increase frequencies (LF has been lingering on 90-100% on B762ERs for two months), upgrade MEX-CDG to 772 and, redeploy B762s to both the upcoming MEX-BCN opening and reinforcing MEX-SCL.

    I believe 5 frames would be one or two too many for the foregoing plans, but hey, is just mere speculation. AM has a history of not disclosing orders until a few months before the a/c enter into revenue service.

    Yes, perhaps a wee bit overboard, indeed, but things get interesting with the new AM ownership by Citigroup (not that they lack money) and their Mexican coinvestors, and the recently-announced expansion/upgrading plans.

    Quoting PM (Reply 8):
    Yes, maybe I should have had AM on my list of probables above. They are, after all, only in the early days of operating 777s - compared to many airlines who've had them for a decade and probably won't be adding to their fleets now.



    Quoting LH506 (Reply 36):
    That makes me think that we possibly are looking for a current operator of 737s and 772s

    Exactly AM's case.

    Quoting Fyano773 (Reply 38):
    one of them could probably be delivered to AM (GE T7 operator); besides, there are rumors and posts by other Mexican A.netters that AM will receive a brand new T7 by the end of January, mid-2008, etc. This new T7 will be deployed for the new service to Asia:


    MEX-TIJ-PVG.

    ...in preparation for the Olympics.

    Fyano, this does sound very reasonable indeed, most specially with the recent announcement of opening a 2x/week run to FCO. Either one T7, or five (as C-Lady said, a wee bit overboard, but in the end, why not?)... The feathers of AM's Eagle Knight may very well be over these orders...

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    RE: Unidentified 777-200ERs : Who?

    Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:57 am

    Quoting Curticool (Reply 35):
    Holy Crap NO ENGINES! hope I don't fly this bird! LOL

    Yeah, just what I'd expect a "Delta Air Lines Pilot" to say.

    So, tell me Curticool - what kind of avionics system does a 777 utilize?

    Quoting Dl767captain (Reply 24):

    Is your source in the Twilight Zone?

    [Edited 2007-11-25 20:04:35]
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    Mon Nov 26, 2007 4:59 am

    Five 777s would be just right for GARUDA. They have been looking for more widebodies,
    and have had the 777 and 787 on order.
    They just dont have the money to pay for them at current time. Maybe in conjunction
    with leasing company? On the surface, it would seem to be a fit,
    but logic and dollar sense say its probably not.
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    RE: Unidentified 777-200ERs : Who?

    Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:26 am

    Could ET be a candidate for these birds?
     
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    RE: Unidentified 777-200ERs : Who?

    Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:12 am

    My understanding is that these will be for Royal Brunei - No word on engines yet, but am informed it WONT be P&W, which is interesting as their 777s they have at the moment are former P&W UA birds.

    I expect them to go for GE90-94bs - they will then (just) have the range to do BSB - Europe non-stop. I believe this will then be the longest non-stop 777 route and the single longest to anywhere from Heathrow.
    What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
     
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    RE: Unidentified 777-200ERs : Who?

    Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:17 am



    Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 44):
    the range to do BSB - Europe non-stop.

    Might you mean BWN ?

    Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 44):
    My understanding is that these will be for Royal Brunei

    My understanding is that they won't.  Wink
     
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    Mon Nov 26, 2007 11:21 am



    Quoting PM (Reply 45):
    Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 44):
    the range to do BSB - Europe non-stop.

    Might you mean BWN ?

    Yes.  Wink

    Quoting PM (Reply 45):
    Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 44):
    My understanding is that these will be for Royal Brunei

    My understanding is that they won't.

    Not what I've heard, but I guess its possible that someone else has ordered them and they arent the batch I'm thinking of.

    Probably better not to say any more!
    What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
     
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    Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:36 pm



    Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 44):
    My understanding is that these will be for Royal Brunei

    Remember that there are still a few other UFO 777 orders right now. The one we are talking about is the 5 777-200ER.  Wink


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    RE: Unidentified 777-200ERs : Who?

    Mon Nov 26, 2007 6:47 pm



    Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 47):
    Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 44):
    My understanding is that these will be for Royal Brunei

    Remember that there are still a few other UFO 777 orders right now. The one we are talking about is the 5 777-200ER

    Yup - the Brunei ones I am thinking of are not a part of this order.
    What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
     
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    RE: Unidentified 777-200ERs : Who?

    Mon Nov 26, 2007 8:00 pm



    Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 48):
    Yup - the Brunei ones I am thinking of are not a part of this order.



    Quoting Hamlet69 (Reply 47):
    Remember that there are still a few other UFO 777 orders right now. The one we are talking about is the 5 777-200ER.

    I guess Brunei ordered 4 UFO 77Ls back in January, will help them on their non-stop to Europe plans
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