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What Airlines RON Planes At Hubs?

Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:23 pm

What airlines keep lots of planes over night a hub airports? I know AA keeps quite a few at DFW. What about UA, DL, CO, WN, etc.?
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RE: What Airlines RON Planes At Hubs?

Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:24 pm

Yes, AA does RON several airplanes at DFW. DL does the same at ATL and CO at EWE and IAH, as well as WN at DAL.
 
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RE: What Airlines RON Planes At Hubs?

Mon Nov 19, 2007 4:28 pm

As you and KC135 said, any of the major U.S. carriers will typically overnight lots of planes at their hubs, if for no other reason than the hubs are so massively huge - and serve such massively huge markets - that they need at least some early morning originators to go to outstations carrying the local O&D demand.

Beyond that, at least in the case of some airlines - like AA at DFW and DL at ATL - they also RON lots of planes at their home hubs because those hubs are also major maintenance bases. AA does a substantial amount of maintenance work on its planes at DFW, as does Delta at ATL, and thus they need to schedule planes to stay at the hubs and chip away at those MELs.
 
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Mon Nov 19, 2007 6:35 pm



Quoting Commavia (Reply 2):
As you and KC135 said, any of the major U.S. carriers will typically overnight lots of planes at their hubs, if for no other reason than the hubs are so massively huge - and serve such massively huge markets - that they need at least some early morning originators to go to outstations carrying the local O&D demand.

To add on, keep in mind that any given hub is a spoke to another hub, so it will necessitate a RON to operate an early departure to another hub for local passengers.
 
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RE: What Airlines RON Planes At Hubs?

Mon Nov 19, 2007 7:46 pm

WN RON's about 35 birds at MDW, and a bunch at BNA...
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RE: What Airlines RON Planes At Hubs?

Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:25 pm

We have 7 Flybe RONs in EXT, 5 Q400s and 2 E195s normally.

FR at STN has 15 (I think) 73H RONs.
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RE: What Airlines RON Planes At Hubs?

Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:29 pm



Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 4):
WN RON's about 35 birds at MDW, and a bunch at BNA...

Because WN operates a point to point model, they tend to RON more birds at their larger stations. Interestingly, in a city like Chicago, where WN competes with carriers operating true hubs, this allows them to have a bit of a competitive advantage for local travelers because they can offer earlier departures in the morning and later arrivals at night. Whether they take advantage of this is not something I've looked at in depth, but it at least works well in theory.
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Mon Nov 19, 2007 8:33 pm

You'll also see one or to RONs at an outstation. Just an exaple, when I was working for ASA in ATL, we really didn't have that many aircraft in ATL after 11pm (generally the last flights of the night for us or anyone for that matter). We'll have a handful on both sides of C and maybe 2 or 3 ATR's on D and an RJ here and there, that's it. Most of the aircaft were somewhere in an outstation. Remember, a lot of stations have early morning departures (0530-0645) so the aircraft would generally be there from the night before from a night arrival (2300-2345).
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Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:21 pm

If I'm not mistaken, for example, the only RONs for Northwest at Memphis would be inbounds from Detroit and Minneapolis...am I crazy for saying this?
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RE: What Airlines RON Planes At Hubs?

Mon Nov 19, 2007 9:33 pm

Allegiant I think RON's all their planes in LAS since their crews do not RON anywhere.
 
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:22 am

You'll also notice, most hubs dont have VERY early departures like you'll see in an outstation. Like I said in the above post, you'll see a 0530 departure and onwards. For the simple reason to getin INTO the hub to catch coonnections.
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:29 pm

Midwest RONs 95% of their fleet in MKE every night. How else would airlines get their morning rush out between 6:30-7:30am?
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RE: What Airlines RON Planes At Hubs?

Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:33 pm



Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 8):
If I'm not mistaken, for example, the only RONs for Northwest at Memphis would be inbounds from Detroit and Minneapolis...am I crazy for saying this?

Exactly. Were would the 5:50a departure to DTW from OKC come from. A 4:10a departure from MEM to OKC?  Wink
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:35 pm



Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 8):
If I'm not mistaken, for example, the only RONs for Northwest at Memphis would be inbounds from Detroit and Minneapolis...am I crazy for saying this?

Thats about right, when I flew out of MSP last week we left at about 11:15 pm, I there was 4 NW planes at the entire airport.
 
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RE: What Airlines RON Planes At Hubs?

Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:50 pm

Quoting EXTspotter (Reply 5):
FR at STN has 15 (I think) 73H RONs

FR has 40 aircraft RON in STN for the summer and around 37 at the moment, EZY has 12 aircraft RON in STN aswell.


I think the thing to remember is that all carriers Short-Medium size fleets will RON at there Hubs overnight wether it be FR in STN, BA in LHR-LGW, LH in FRA and AF in CDG. This allows a time space for engineering work and other duties to be carried out for the next days flying.

[Edited 2007-11-20 08:53:40]
 
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:59 pm



Quoting Burnsie28 (Reply 13):
Thats about right, when I flew out of MSP last week we left at about 11:15 pm, I there was 4 NW planes at the entire airport.

Well NW at night always has at least 15-20 planes at MSP parked at hangars and additional planes sitting in the hangars. But beyond that, NW does have a 7ish bank at MSP so there are at least 20-30 planes at the airport by the time morning comes, being it's their largest hub (by mainline operations).

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Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:13 pm



Quoting Barnesy2006 (Reply 14):
BA in LHR-LGW, LH in FRA and AF in CDG. This allows a time space for engineering work and other duties to be carried out for the next days flying

I'd say as classic hub-spoke carriers these carriers have a lot of planes that RON in outstations to feed the early departure waves of the hub.
 
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RE: What Airlines RON Planes At Hubs?

Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:21 pm

F9 has quite a few RON's in DEN. They have quite a few 900p departures from the west coast (LAX, LAS, SFO) that don't arrive into DEN until after midnight.

The only RON's UA has in DEN are a handful of widebodies from ORD and IAD, and a couple 757's that take out the 600a flights to LAX and SFO. Occasionally we'll get TED RON's too when we have early morning TED flights on new schedule changes...typically 700am PHX and LAS.
 
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:22 pm

Last week when I was flying out of T1 @ LAX on WN, I counted 12, or 13 RON's when I got there @0500. We drove in up the side of T1 and I was surprised to see WN had three 73Gs parked behind one docked @ gate 1. I thought (guess I was wrong) they had a remote area to park their additional a/c when all their jetways were in use.

AS's Mexico hub @ LAX seems to have many RONs as early in the a.m. all of their jetways are taken.

Who has the most RON's at LAX? UA? AA? WN?

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RE: What Airlines RON Planes At Hubs?

Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:41 pm

Quoting Apodino (Reply 9):
Allegiant I think RON's all their planes in LAS since their crews do not RON anywhere.

Incorrect. Depending on the day of the week, Allegiant RON's a few planes in outstations like PIA, BLI, and ABE. There are also Allegiant aircraft that RON in PIE, IWA, FLL, RNO, IFP and SFB.

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RE: What Airlines RON Planes At Hubs?

Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:46 pm



Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 11):
Midwest RONs 95% of their fleet in MKE every night.

I am somewhat surprised by this. Wouldn't we expect Midwest to have a majority of their fleet RON in outstations to make up 0530-0645 first bank departures?

I guess the answer to that question is that the majority of Midwest's first bank departures start in MKE and fan out to outstations, where other airlines mostly first bank from outstations and flow into the hubs.
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:59 pm



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 17):
F9 has quite a few RON's in DEN.

So true. I got to DEN @ 400a and had a WN departure to MCI at 640a. I had some time to kill, so I walked around Concourse A and about half of the jetbridges were taken with various animalia. Most of the Signs at the gates were still off though. It was around 4, I imagine that most had 7-8a departures to various cities. UA on the other hand had very few planes. What UA did have was mostly A320 and larger.
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RE: What Airlines RON Planes At Hubs?

Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:59 pm



Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 4):
WN RON's about 35 birds at MDW, and a bunch at BNA...

wow that is a lot...how many gates does WN have at MDW?
 
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RE: What Airlines RON Planes At Hubs?

Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:03 pm

Speaking of outsations, airports like OKC have lots of RON's on many airlines. F9's early 6-7am departure, NW's 5:50a departure, UA's 6-7am departures to ORD & DEN, DL's 6am departure to ATL. I've been on the 7am departure to CVG before.
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Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:43 pm



Quoting SHUPirate1 (Reply 8):
If I'm not mistaken, for example, the only RONs for Northwest at Memphis would be inbounds from Detroit and Minneapolis...am I crazy for saying this?

No, I think you are correct. I've sat on many a delayed MEM-ORD flight and watched everything else leave. I'm trying to remember... there may be some 9E aircraft, but maybe not.
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RE: What Airlines RON Planes At Hubs?

Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:22 am



Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 21):
I had some time to kill, so I walked around Concourse A

Did you see all the AA RON's at Con-C?? You would think DEN is a focus city they RON so many S80's with us. The exact number changes with every schedule change, but typically on RON there are 7x S80, 1x 738, 1x ER4. COS gets quite a few AA RON's too....1x CR7 and 4x S80 I do believe.
 
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RE: What Airlines RON Planes At Hubs?

Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:54 am



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 25):
Did you see all the AA RON's at Con-C??

Only saw what was parked at the gates.

Delta RON's 5 planes at OKC.
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Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:47 am



Quoting Spoke2Spoke (Reply 20):
I am somewhat surprised by this. Wouldn't we expect Midwest to have a majority of their fleet RON in outstations to make up 0530-0645 first bank departures?

Midwest itself, 717/MD-80s, only RON at MSP, MCI, OMA and do a red-eye turn to LAS. Of course Midwest Connect, it's a shame I can't just say skyway, RONs at the following cities: MSN, ATW, GRB, IWD, MBL, CWA, DSM, GRR, IMT, ESC, STL, CLE, IND, EWR, PHL.
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RE: What Airlines RON Planes At Hubs?

Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:46 pm



Quoting LACA773 (Reply 18):

3 the 8 Alaska RON a/c go to Mexico. Most Mexico flights are thru flights around 9-10am.

Quoting Super80DFW (Thread starter):

Alaska has around 30 planes RON in Seattle

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RE: What Airlines RON Planes At Hubs?

Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:58 pm

In Lansing, NW usually RON like 2-3, the late night SF-3, DC-9 from DTW and when it operates, the DC-9 from MSP.

United RON's one

Delta RON's the early morning departure as well

Allegiant doesn't RON any, but not surprising. The soon to be no-more LAS flight gets in at like 6 am and departs around 7
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RE: What Airlines RON Planes At Hubs?

Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:38 pm

Where do the majority of the DeltaShuttle birds rest? I'm guessing DCA/LGA?
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Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:42 pm

I have noticed a lot of NWA planes that RON at IND.
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:42 am

When I worked at MQ, they would try to get as much of the scheduled MTX out of the hubs. Let the Hubs deal with the planes that broke there during the day. Example CMH had like 10 planes a night, SGF had 7 and XNA had 5 or 6.
 
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RE: What Airlines RON Planes At Hubs?

Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:34 am



Quoting FlyASAGuy2005 (Reply 30):
Where do the majority of the DeltaShuttle birds rest? I'm guessing DCA/LGA?

Delta Shuttle I think does 3 in BOS - there's the 600a, 630a and 730a Shuttles to LGA. There's 3 RONs in LGA for BOS flights (the 600a, 630a and 730a to BOS), 2 for DCA (630a and 730a) and 2 RONs in DCA (the 650a and 730a). That takes care of all 9 MD-80s equipped for the Shuttle flights.
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 4:11 am



Quoting A10warthog (Reply 32):
When I worked at MQ, they would try to get as much of the scheduled MTX out of the hubs.

...and of course, there's the great race up to MQT every night.
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RE: What Airlines RON Planes At Hubs?

Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:46 pm

Doesn't MQ gave a maintenance base for the Saab340 at LAW? I have heard that before.
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RE: What Airlines RON Planes At Hubs?

Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:03 pm



Quoting EXAAUADL (Reply 22):

Quoting AndrewUber (Reply 4):
WN RON's about 35 birds at MDW, and a bunch at BNA...

wow that is a lot...how many gates does WN have at MDW?

Southwest has 29 gates at MDW. So I assume 29 airplanes RON at the gates while six others are sent to the hangars for maintenance, probably more.
 
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RE: What Airlines RON Planes At Hubs?

Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:33 am



Quoting Mexicana757 (Reply 36):
So I assume 29 airplanes RON at the gates while six others are sent to the hangars for maintenance, probably more.

That sounds like a lot of RON's. MDW doesn't have to many early morning departures do they? Most of the a/c would have to go into the hub before the could be sent out across the country.
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RE: What Airlines RON Planes At Hubs?

Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:37 am

AA will sometimes RON about 5 or 6 aircraft here in TUS. 2 planes are at the gate and all the rest are parked further out on the tarmac. It looks like an AA mini-hub during the night time.



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Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:38 am

YYJ, being the end of the line, and being small only has 6-7 rons.
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:00 am

Thanks for the info Skyexramper. I'm intrigued by Midwest's RON locations.

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RE: What Airlines RON Planes At Hubs?

Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:05 pm

AA RON's quite a few at DFW--I know from experience, having taken either the first flight out to LGA or BDL several times.
At DFW, you have to realize that one of the main reasons why there are RON for AA is the initial first wave out to the Northeast. AA schedules quite a few departures from DFW to DCA, BOS, and LGA, as well as a handful to IAD, EWR, PHL, BWI, and BDL between 645 am and 930 am. This serves a dual purpose--one, to cater to the local business traveler market, and also as a connecting bank for the red-eye flights from the west coast, Hawaii, South America, and certain regional destinations. (For some reason or another, the early morning BDL departure regularly gets a noticeable number of passengers connecting from Hawaii).
 
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RE: What Airlines RON Planes At Hubs?

Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:57 pm



Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 11):
Midwest RONs 95% of their fleet in MKE every night. How else would airlines get their morning rush out between 6:30-7:30am?



Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 27):
Midwest itself, 717/MD-80s, only RON at MSP, MCI, OMA and do a red-eye turn to LAS.



Quoting Spoke2Spoke (Reply 40):
Thanks for the info Skyexramper. I'm intrigued by midwest's RON locations.

95%??? So that means that 36 out of their 38 aircraft are in MKE every night? Not even close my friend.

MCI gets 7 I think, DCA was at 2 last I knew. Midwest has RON aircraft all over the country. BOS/LGA/MCO/DFW/SAN to go along with the ones you mentioned and some of these have more than one aircraft. I'm not sure about EWR and PHL anymore with Skywest in the mix but I'll check at work on Monday and I then I can give you the whole list.