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French Air Traffic Controllers On Strike?

Tue Nov 20, 2007 2:52 pm

I am flying from ORD-CDG on AA tonight and have been hearing on NPR that the Air Traffic Controllers in France are on strike.

Is this true?

To what extent?

Should I expect delays?
 
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RE: French Air Traffic Controllers On Strike?

Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:11 pm

It is true, but I think it's only affecting ORY. This needs confirmation, though. I'll try to get you more info.
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RE: French Air Traffic Controllers On Strike?

Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:12 pm

I am flying EWR-CDG on AF tonight and have the same question...
IND ORD ATL MCO PIT EWR BUF CVG DEN RNO JFK DTW BOS BDL BWI IAD RDU CLT MYR CHS TPA CID MSP STL MSY DFW IAH AUS SLC LAS
 
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RE: French Air Traffic Controllers On Strike?

Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:13 pm

It is both CDG and ORY as well as MRS.

Thats what I'm getting from watching n-tv. (german news channel)
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RE: French Air Traffic Controllers On Strike?

Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:15 pm

It also seems to be affecting countries with Airspace bordering France as they are having to pick up the extra traffic that is routing around French Airspace.
 
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RE: French Air Traffic Controllers On Strike?

Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:19 pm

Ok, it's both airports. Expect 45 minutes of delay on all flights for today.
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RE: French Air Traffic Controllers On Strike?

Tue Nov 20, 2007 3:26 pm

Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 3):
It is both CDG and ORY as well as MRS.

Thats what I'm getting from watching n-tv. (german news channel)



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 5):
Ok, it's both airports. Expect 45 minutes of delay on all flights for today.

Thank you!

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[Edited 2007-11-20 07:29:02]
 
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RE: French Air Traffic Controllers On Strike?

Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:29 pm



Quoting United787 (Reply 6):
tell her that we will still make it to Paris for our romantic week

Oh my! Be aware that your week may be spoiled by all the strikes going on in transportation at the moment. Just an advice: do NOT take the subway. Don't even try to enter a subway station, there will be hundreds of people waiting on the platform, and you can wait more than one hour to get a train (and if you catch one, you would be squashed together like sardines). There will be no buses as well. I'd suggest you to take the taxi, but since there is no transportation, everybody take their cars, so there will be huge traffic jams. Actually, this is not the good week to come to Paris Sad . The only hope at the moment is that tomorrow the discussions between trade unions and the government end up on an agreement. It would then go back to normal.

Just to let you know  Wink
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RE: French Air Traffic Controllers On Strike?

Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:43 pm

This is ridiculous.... and sad. I don't see how French people can sustain an economy while wanting more and more each day. They have it way better than a lot of people around the world, yet, they keep striking. It's ridiculous. Estimates are that they're losing nearly $500 million EACH day they strike. Everything is being affected.

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Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:50 pm



Quoting United787 (Reply 6):
My girlfriend thinks I am a nerd for hanging out here.

Ask her she'd rather you were visiting Rate My___.com, Girlsgonewild.com, EyeCandy.....etc etc etc.  wink 

On the other hand.......... worried  maybe not. Have a great trip.

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RE: French Air Traffic Controllers On Strike?

Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:50 pm



Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 8):
This is ridiculous.... and sad. I don't see how French people can sustain an economy while wanting more and more each day. They have it way better than a lot of people around the world, yet, they keep striking. It's ridiculous. Estimates are that they're losing nearly $500 million EACH day they strike. Everything is being affected.

I agree with you!! The people making this strike have NO REASON to do it!!
I'm french and I can say that I'm ashamed about this situation!
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RE: French Air Traffic Controllers On Strike?

Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:54 pm



Quoting Icarus75 (Reply 10):
I'm french and I can say that I'm ashamed about this situation!

Same here!  Wink
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RE: French Air Traffic Controllers On Strike?

Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:06 pm

I suggest you rent bicycles. Can be a fun and possibly romantic way of avoiding traffic jams and desperately waiting for a cab. Don't plan to use a car between 7am-11am and 4pm-8pm.

Btw when exiting from T2A there may be long lines waiting for cabs (there where last week for me out of AA41). I suggest you head right instead and walk straight through the next terminal up to the Sheraton/train station. Then go up to 6th floor. There are always a few cabs over there but practically never a line.

Edit: btw the B763 had the new biz seats both ways on that route last week.

[Edited 2007-11-20 10:07:03]
 
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RE: French Air Traffic Controllers On Strike?

Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:13 pm



Quoting Icarus75 (Reply 10):
I agree with you!! The people making this strike have NO REASON to do it!!
I'm french and I can say that I'm ashamed about this situation!

I was wondering how the French are viewing this. I had read that they are becoming less and less happy with the unions that are striking and more in support of the government (Sarkozy) in this matter. I assume the unions are/were hoping for the opposite, that the public would pressure the government to settle.

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RE: French Air Traffic Controllers On Strike?

Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:54 pm



Quoting Icarus75 (Reply 10):
I agree with you!! The people making this strike have NO REASON to do it!!
I'm french and I can say that I'm ashamed about this situation!



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 11):
Same here!

the same with me ! this is unacceptable
 
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RE: French Air Traffic Controllers On Strike?

Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:56 pm



Quoting Tugger (Reply 13):
I was wondering how the French are viewing this. I had read that they are becoming less and less happy with the unions that are striking and more in support of the government (Sarkozy) in this matter. I assume the unions are/were hoping for the opposite, that the public would pressure the government to settle.

Sorry guys if I'm out of topic but I wanted to give some explanations to Tugger.
Tugger, if you have some questions, do not hesitate to send me an email!  Wink

Well, you have to know/understand two things :
The first one to go on strike are people working for SNCF (french railways), RATP (public transports in Paris area) and other "state" transport companies in big french cities.
Why do they strike? Simple.
They have to work 37,5 years before retirement and their pension is based on the last six months of work.
People in the private sector have to work 40 years (sometimes more) before being retired and their pension is based on the 25 last years of work.
The governement wants to change some things like making this people working as long as the one in the private sector!

In addition to these nuts, strike todays was also made by people working for the state : nurses, ATC, fire fighters, teachers....
These one are striking to have an increase in their salaries.

To some extends, I agree with people working for the state and who are striking today. Some of them have low salaries comparing to their responsabilities : ATC, nurses, teachers for example.

For the other ones, I have only one thing to say : GO BACK TO WORK!!!!!
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RE: French Air Traffic Controllers On Strike?

Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:14 pm



Quoting Icarus75 (Reply 15):
For the other ones, I have only one thing to say : GO BACK TO WORK!!!!!

Ditto!
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RE: French Air Traffic Controllers On Strike?

Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:17 pm

well, at least paris is a fairly walkable city. A lot of the 'tourist' stuff can be walked to and from(as long as you are central). It may be a long and tiring day, but its doable.
 
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RE: French Air Traffic Controllers On Strike?

Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:26 pm



Quoting Icarus75 (Reply 15):

Thanks for the info Icarus75! So let me ask the stupid question then and hopefully bring it back on topic....

If the French ATC's are on strike who is manning the screens during this time? I mean everything, the airports aren't just shut down, they can't be. Is ATC from other EU nations controlling aircraft to the airport where local control takes over (I can't imagine that is actually being done)?

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RE: French Air Traffic Controllers On Strike?

Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:47 pm



Quoting Tugger (Reply 18):

Even if they are on strike, there are two things :
- Not all ATC are on strike.
- According to the law, there's a "service minimum"

According to that, flights experience delays, some flights may be cancelled, traffic in countries close to france (Spain, Italy,Germany....) can be affected and all the traffic over the country is affected also.
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RE: French Air Traffic Controllers On Strike?

Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:33 am

Here we are!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKy3PCAZjMo&feature=related
Pretty scary huh? (BTW, kuddos to the people who have made this video if they are on here...).

Yes there is a problem with our profession, and all French Civil Servants in general, being "regularly" on strike. That diludes the action, too many things are requested at once: salaries, employment, retirement programs... I, for one, am really lost today, maybe because my head is busy with the exams and I don't really have to much time on my hands to have the will to understand.
Yas there IS a need for a more equal handling of private/social sector.
 
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RE: French Air Traffic Controllers On Strike?

Wed Nov 21, 2007 9:55 am



Quoting Icna05e (Reply 20):
Here we are!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fKy3P...lated

Hahaha that's a nice video! Kudos to the Toulouse team and to all ATC people in general  Smile
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RE: French Air Traffic Controllers On Strike?

Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:11 pm



Quoting B777A340Fan (Reply 8):
They have it way better than a lot of people around the world, yet, they keep striking.

Americans are worse. Their strikes have helped move alot of jobs out of the country.
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RE: French Air Traffic Controllers On Strike?

Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:15 pm



Quoting Tugger (Reply 18):
If the French ATC's are on strike who is manning the screens during this time? I mean everything, the airports aren't just shut down, they can't be. Is ATC from other EU nations controlling aircraft to the airport where local control takes over (I can't imagine that is actually being done)?

French strikes are usually quite different from what we know of strikes in NA. When things like trains go on strike, it is usually a certain number that go on strike. They dont all go on strike( at least for essential services). When trains go on strike you will usually hear something like '3 of 4 trains are running'. Its enough to delay things, but not enough to halt the country to a standstill.
 
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RE: French Air Traffic Controllers On Strike?

Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:40 pm



Quoting Airfoilsguy (Reply 22):
Americans are worse. Their strikes have helped move alot of jobs out of the country.

Not at all true. American labor, as a whole, is far more docile than European labor.
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