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Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Tue Nov 20, 2007 4:23 pm

With McKinney, Texas being the fastest growing city in the country, the airport in McKinney is lengthening the runway to 8000 feet to prepare the airport for airline service. The news station I watch, KXAS NBC5 said that a handfull of airlines has already approached the airport about beginning service to the airport. I think they said about 300+ people move to Collin County every week.

The big question is, What airlines do you think will begin service to TKI and to where?

My guesses were:

Skybus: CMH, GSO
Allegiant: LAS, IWA

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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:46 pm

I do not believe any airlines will move or begin operations out of McKinney. For most it would not make since. Mckinney is not that far from either DFW or Love Field. PLUS, living in Keller, it would hardly help me.  Smile
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Tue Nov 20, 2007 5:52 pm



Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 1):
living in Keller, it would hardly help me.

Well, for those of us who live in Little Elm, Frisco, McKinney, Plano, it will be more convienent than driving in traffic to DFW or have to make stops to along the way if you fly out of Love. Don't get me wrong, DFW is the best airport in the world to me, but I might not want to pay $300+ to go to Vegas on AA when I could pay $150 on Allegiant (If they were to start operating TKI) and just have a 20 minute drive.
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:05 pm



Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 2):
Well, for those of us who live in Little Elm, Frisco, McKinney, Plano, it will be more convienent than driving in traffic to DFW or have to make stops to along the way if you fly out of Love. Don't get me wrong, DFW is the best airport in the world to me, but I might not want to pay $300+ to go to Vegas on AA when I could pay $150 on Allegiant (If they were to start operating TKI) and just have a 20 minute drive.

That is true, but I think airlines will be more intrested in serving a wider part of the metroplex, and will choose DFW. (I do not mention Love because with AA and Southwest there is not a load of revenue potential.
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:14 pm



Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 3):
but I think airlines will be more intrested in serving a wider part of the metroplex, and will choose DFW.

I thought most airlines are afraid to start new service to DFW because of AA. I didn't think many new airlines would ever come into DFW unless they are internatinal airlines.
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:20 pm



Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 4):
I thought most airlines are afraid to start new service to DFW because of AA. I didn't think many new airlines would ever come into DFW unless they are internatinal airlines.

I suppose an argument could be made for that. There have not been any new airlines launching service in years (as far as I recall), but I have read that some are interrested. I believe I read that Virgin America(?) was interested, and perhaps Spirit(?).
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:22 pm



Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 5):
believe I read that Virgin America

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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Tue Nov 20, 2007 6:34 pm



Quoting FRNT787 (Reply 5):
There have not been any new airlines launching service in years (as far as I recall), but I have read that some are interrested.

KLM is starting service to AMS in March.
 
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:52 pm

AA has always publically stated it will compete and compete hard for every customer in the north Texas area.

Should an airline start operations there, AA will respond with multiple Saab's to DFW and cut-throat prices to drive the competition out. Then, when the other airline leaves, Eagle will probably pull out as well.

Just as a side note, remember Houston's Ellington Field? Premium passengers got a short hop to IAH with short security lines, but CO couldn't make it work. Something tells me this route won't work either.
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Tue Nov 20, 2007 7:55 pm



Quoting PSU.DTW.SCE (Reply 7):
KLM is starting service to AMS in March.

This is true, would you have any info on U.S. based airlines launching (or planning to launch) DFW service?

Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 4):
thought most airlines are afraid to start new service to DFW because of AA.

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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:26 pm

Once Highway 121 is finished, people living in Collin County will be able to get to DFW pretty easily. I doubt much will come of it for at least 20 years or so.
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:33 pm

Maybe DL could start a CRJ to ATL twice a day and drop one of the 757's. That was one of my other thoughts.
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Tue Nov 20, 2007 8:39 pm

Also remember that TKI is close to Addison, Texas. Addison is a large Business District along the Dallas North Tollway. Although they have their own airport (KADS), the people that travel to Addison that don't get there by private jets could fly to TKI. Just a thought.
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:31 pm

McKinney does not see much traffic. It's all smaller general aviation planes. I can't imagine anyone in their right mind who would fly into there. This would help out what cities? McKinney, Richardson, Allen, Prosper, Plano?

I think anything out of that airport would be dropped quicker than a hot potato.
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Tue Nov 20, 2007 10:42 pm

I am surprised so many people are willing to dismiss this so readily. That area is BOOMING- the growth is almost surreal. I can definitely see some of the more forward thinking LCC's wanting to serve out of TKI. And I would like to see it. Would AA really go so far as to start a shuttle from TKI to DFW? That sounds weird to me, but I guess anything is possible.
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Tue Nov 20, 2007 11:23 pm



Quoting Legion242 (Reply 14):
I am surprised so many people are willing to dismiss this so readily. That area is BOOMING- the growth is almost surreal.

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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:06 am



Quoting Legion242 (Reply 14):
I am surprised so many people are willing to dismiss this so readily.

The area has "boomed," but that doesn't mean airlines -- or passengers -- will flock to TKI.

Take a look at the map:

DFW&sll=37.0625,-95.677068&sspn=28.805654,59.765625&ie=UTF8&ll=33.028239,-96.715393&spn=0.475512,0.933838&z=10&om=1" target=_blank>http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=e...93&spn=0.475512,0.933838&z=10&om=1

The hearts of Frisco, Plano, Richardson, Carrollton, the Colony, Addison, etc. are all either closer or only marginally further to DFW than TKI. I'm not saying it won't happen, it just takes a long, long time to develop an airport for commercial service and get airlines and passengers to use it.

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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:42 am



Quoting Legion242 (Reply 14):
I am surprised so many people are willing to dismiss this so readily. That area is BOOMING- the growth is almost surreal. I can definitely see some of the more forward thinking LCC's wanting to serve out of TKI. And I would like to see it. Would AA really go so far as to start a shuttle from TKI to DFW? That sounds weird to me, but I guess anything is possible.

I'm very aware of the growth as I lived there from 1989 to mid 2006.

I want to know what market this is going to serve? Northern Collin County? Again it's supporting maybe 750,000 people?
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:44 am

It would also be more convienient to the people of Princeton, Prosper, Sherman, Denison, Paris, even Durant, Oklahoma! Sure, they will be smaller aircraft, but you have to look at the convienence. And beside what nearly everyone here thinks, the City of McKinney has said that they WILL pursue this. After all, they are ALREADY! lengthening the runway. They aren't lengthing the runway for the ability to land a big Gulfstream (Although Gulfstreams can already land at TKI), they are making it bigger for AIRLINE SERVICE. It may not last long, but at least it will have happened.
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:48 am



Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 17):
I want to know what market this is going to serve? Northern Collin County?

All of North Texas! As I said earlier, all of the people that don't want to fly through DFW because of all the people, the people that want to make stops in ABQ, AUS, or HOU along the way.
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:15 am



Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 18):
Princeton, Prosper, Sherman, Denison, Paris, even Durant, Oklahoma

Those cities are pretty rural to say the least...
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:26 am



Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 20):
Those cities are pretty rural to say the least...

It would take a long time for a farmer to drive his tractor to Baltimore (If thats where he had to go).
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:28 am



Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 21):
It would take a long time for a farmer to drive his tractor to Baltimore (If thats where he had to go).

True, but why does said farmer need to get to BWI?

Realize, I'm not nit-picking, in fact it'd be cool to see a big(er) plane at McKinney, but I don't think it is logical.
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:08 am

I doubt very much any airlines will be serious about starting ops there. This isn't Chicago, where the major airports are all congested; DFW is an extremely efficient and spacious airport from both pax and airline points of view. (Love is not an option, as no gates are available). McKinney is simply not needed, but could perhaps support a smaller airline with ultra low-cost fares. Once large commercial jets start there, the many residents in close proximity to the airport would no doubt lobby to have it shut down. Plus, no connections or switching airlines at the last minute, no transportation infrastructure, and traffic that's just as bad as anywhere else in the metroplex. The way I see it, it's only advantages are location (to a relatively small area) and lower fees. Yes, Colin Co. is growing, but it is far from needing it's own commercial airport, especially with one of the world's premier Internationals 30 minutes down the road.
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Wed Nov 21, 2007 12:28 pm

COex to IAH doesn't seem out of the question at some point.
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:17 pm



Quoting AA61Hvy (Reply 22):
why does said farmer need to get to BWI?

Maybe he had to go see his son graduate college.  Wink

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 24):
COex to IAH doesn't seem out of the question at some point.

That was my one of my first thoughts also. Maybe just twice a day with a CRJ or ERJ.
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:24 pm

If McKinney is going to be an option, then why not add passenger service at Alliance?
 
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Wed Nov 21, 2007 4:45 pm



Quoting ZuluLima (Reply 23):
DFW is an extremely efficient and spacious airport

If you're AA using it as a hub.

If we're talking about the terminals I don't find DFW spacious at all. The new D terminal would bean exception. It's quit nice.
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:48 pm

I believe there are two issues involved here. One is population. All of the growth areas (read money) in Dallas are in the northern suburbs of Frisco, Plano and now McKinney. (The Ft. Worth growth is a non-issue because all of these guys will go to DFW.) There is sufficient population now to support RJ service like DL to ATL or SLC/LAX; or UA to ORD, IAD or SFO/LAX. (Also, both TI and EDS base a portion their fleets at TKI so the appeal for a quick get away from the office from the high tech areas also comes into play.)

The other issue is AA. They say they will fight for every customer, but at some point even they have to say no. Their finances are such that they just do not have the resources to fight a very tough fight, and most of the people who would fly UA or DL from TKI would be flying them because they are adverse to flying AA in the first place. Add in the uncertainty of what AA will look like after they settle their labor issues, I am not convinced that AA will be not contracting somewhat.

Other issues such as access and terminal issues are really orbital issues to the ones above. For me, I live 45 to 90 freeway minutes from DFW and less than 15 rural road (no stop lights) minutes from TKI.
 
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:09 pm



Quoting Jalapeno (Reply 26):
If McKinney is going to be an option, then why not add passenger service at Alliance?

Because Tarrant County isn't growing like Collin, amd Denton Counties are. All I would have to do is drive over to McKinney on US380 from Little Elm. Much more convienient than DFW.
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:44 pm

There is one issue though that I know about:
El Dorado Pkwy bridge over 75 can not be expanded. We own a business right at El Dorado and 75 and were told by the city inspector that they screwed up when they built that bridge and now the way things are set up, they can't expand it. Anyone reading this thread is probably aware that the bridge is essentially one lane across 75.
Is this a major roadblock to this idea coming to fruititon? I doubt it, but it is something to think about.
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:55 pm

I definately think there is a place for airports such as TKI in the landscape of commercial aviation - and not just for CRJs or ERJs.

I grew up in Atlanta, and love ATL, but now living in Hampton Roads, I typically fly from PHF (Newport News) where both FL and DL have mainline service.

Close, reasonably priced parking - walking right into the terminal - quickly passing through TSA - a quick pushback - almost immediate takeoff --- all those are great reasons for many folks - business and leisure pax - to consider service from alternative airports.

I especially like PHF with the mainline service so I can either fly business in FL or first in DL. Yes, I almost always have to connect somewhere, but who doesn't, usually?

Although TKI may attract a carrier like Skybus or Alleigant, I think even a super low-cost carrier could find a small niche there.

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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:01 pm



Quoting SPREE34 (Reply 27):
If we're talking about the terminals I don't find DFW spacious at all.

The terminals themselves are nice enough, and DFW is launching a revamp project with the funds from the Chesapeake Natural gas drilling (200 MIllion up front and i believe 25% of future production) so terminals A,B,C,E should begin to look nicer in the coming years. Also there are LOTS of spare gates, that is how DFW was able to offer Southwest its own terminal (though it was rejected).
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:16 pm

This is a terrible idea and goes to show what a piss poor job North Texas has done with city planning. Double, no triple thumbs down  thumbsdown   thumbsdown   thumbsdown 
 
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:23 pm



Quoting Jalapeno (Reply 26):
If McKinney is going to be an option, then why not add passenger service at Alliance?

I was going to say that, too. Or Meacham. Mesa tried that, of course, without prolonged success. And of course Meacham had a role in the past (does the Wright Amend. apply to them, too?). But if I were to see DalFort as a twin city, I see one of the "dumbells" with DAL on it, a giant DFW in the middle, and then nothing on the west dumbell. Wouldn't the large population on that side also want something more convenient?

Quoting ZuluLima (Reply 23):
This isn't Chicago, where the major airports are all congested

Los Angeles area has 5+ commercial airports, depending on where you draw the metro area boundaries. San Francisco Bay area 3+. Houston 3 (at one time). Seattle area 3 (if you count Bellingham and Boeing Field). Detroit 2. Cleveland 2. Phoenix 2. All of those areas I would consider as not as congested as the Chicago area or ORD, yet maintain or have maintained a choice of airports.

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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:26 pm



Quoting Jalapeno (Reply 26):
why not add passenger service at Alliance?

May happen someday. Look at how air service is growing. Day jet in Florida as an example. Yes, not an airline, but who knows what it may lead to later. Major metros like DFW, SoCal, SoFla, may support more service in 15 years than we might imagine today. I include the knowledgeable transportation planners among us in the WE.

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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:36 pm

When it happens, it will be good for the City of McKinney and North Texas. Sure the fares might be higher than DFW, but it will be good for the area. If it lasts, GREAT! If it doesn't last, it will have happened.
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:50 pm

I am not making trying to say that this will or won't happen -- but heres some thoughts...

Don't forget TKI isn't just getting a new runway, its getting a new control tower as well. Also several other enhancements or options are available to support commercial service **should** it ever come to be. I am still fairly new to the Dallas area; however, living in Collin County its amazing what the response is when you even hint at the idea of being able to hop a flight out of McKinney. People seem to instantly light up.

Whether or not it will happen is another story, but I applaud TKI for taking the steps now to prepare for the future demand. Wouldn't be suprising to see TKI turn into a LCC airport very quickly. Sure you have WN at DAL, FL and F9 at DFW for example. But there is a rather large void of LCC operations from DFW (for the numerous reAAsons listed above). Skybus, Alleigant, jetBlue, Virgin America, etc could make an entrance to the area via TKI.

Also as mentioned the DFW metroplex area is the 4th largest metro area in the US according the US census bureau. It sits under New York, Los Angeles, and Chicago. Now I won't turn this into a debate between Metro. Statistical areas versus combined statistical areas, but drawing the point that DFW with it's 2 commercial airports could possibly support a third airport for LCC operations.

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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:31 am

I didn't think that Allegiant served any cities in or around the Metroplex. I thought that they would be one of the best candidates for TKI. They could go east to SFB and west to LAS or IWA.
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:01 am

Well, props to a city for planning ahead for once, which seems to be a novelty these days, and not just with air transportation. Even if you dont attract air service right away, build the runway now so when you finally do have the market to justify building the runway, you don't have to worry about as many NIMBY's in the area trying to prevent the project from happening.

Anyway, this certainly sounds like a Skybus or Allegiant destination, which is what I immediately thought when I saw this thread. I don't see the shuttle service with American Eagle working out. I personally find connections under 100 miles really aren't worth the hassle most of the time Even MCN-ATL was a pain most of the time, as you could drive to ATL and park and check-in in equal or less time than it would take to fly MCN-ATL, especially with ASA and their "awesome" dependibility. I can't see this service being much better but I could be wrong. If AE wants to compete with any other carrier and thinks there's enough of a market, more power to them. I just think that the yields they'll be competing for will be too low to justify the service.
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas A

Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:41 pm



Quoting Super80DFW (Thread starter):
Skybus: CMH, GSO

Probably a very likely candidate. FTW was supposed to be one of their original destinations when they took to the skies. The messy agreement that is to do away with the Wright Amendment ended all that, of course.

Quoting OzarkD9S (Reply 24):
COex to IAH doesn't seem out of the question at some point.

Could be. CO did plan on starting service to FTW as well, but 9/11 ended those plans, and they obviously cannot be revived.

Quoting Jalapeno (Reply 26):
If McKinney is going to be an option, then why not add passenger service at Alliance?



Quoting Rampart (Reply 34):
I was going to say that, too. Or Meacham. Mesa tried that, of course, without prolonged success.

Because FTW and AFW are both owned by the city of Fort Worth which, as per the Wright-ending agreement, must do everything it can to prevent the start of scheduled passenger operations at either airport. That includes, among other things, not building, or allowing to be build; a passenger terminal at AFW, since none exists today.
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:04 am

Skybus and Allegiant came to my mind as well. jetBlue and VirginAmerica didn't come to mind, however; I don't see either of them trying to make their ops profitable at McKinney.

IF... the ground-side infrastructure issues can be resolved, and are not prohibitively expensive, I could see small-jet service to other hubs. ERJs, CRJs, or whatever their future counterparts may be. Can't see mainline service by the big legacy carriers there at all... sorry. If a DL small-jet partner wants to serve ATL and CVG... and a CO small-jet partner to IAH... I can see EagleFlight jumping in with small-jet service to ORD as a defensive move. A certain amount of service by competing companies will be seen as "critical mass" to AA and prompt them to throw AmEagle at McKinney. Just a thought...

But that's a big IF. Expanding a runway is the easy part. Developing all of the rest of the infrastructure is tough and may be infeasible from either an engineering or economic standpoint. Believe me, this same idea has been thought about elsewhere, usually with no success. The "if you build it, they will come" mentality doesn't readily translate into airline profits. Again, my  twocents .
 
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:41 am



Quoting Super80DFW (Thread starter):
My guesses were:

Skybus and Allegiant are certainly looking for airports like the one in McKinney - on the affluent side of Dallas and unserved by any other carrier. I would not be surprised if the two carriers were looking at that airport - and at Sugarland on the southwest side of Houston.
 
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Sat Nov 24, 2007 3:56 pm

The Airline service rumors got hot and heavy during the Wright Debate. The airport was the proverbial sword of Damocles over the City of Dallas Head. Rumors had it that B6 and even WN were thinking of moving to the airport. There is also a local developer David Craig that according to the article in the link below has purchased 60% of the adjacent land to the airport who is also has big taxpayer support required plans for the airport. He is the biggest player in the county now and is most likely leading the charge to develop the airport.

As to whether or not airline service is needed at Mckinney probably not. Will it happen probably.
"Any airline that wants to serve the [region] can go to DFW today and fly anywhere they want," WN spokesman Ed Stewart
 
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:36 am



Quoting ZuluLima (Reply 23):
especially with one of the world's premier Internationals 30 minutes down the road

Yeah, right - a 2 a.m.

When I lived in Carrollton - DFW was a 45 minute drive

Now I live in Wylie - it's an hour to hour and a half at any time of day involving a decent departure or arrival. And that's all freeway - 190 & LBJ or 114 or 160/183 - three routes to DFW and all over crowded.

Hwy 121 is already over the capacity of the new freeway when it's finished. Like 190 now takes 30-40 minutes between the tollway and I-35E during busy times - 121 will take as long or longer.

But traffic aside - I'm surprised I don't see anything about the concessions being sought by the city of Fairview and the new expensive subdivisions in Lucas.

Limits on noise, time of day for flights, quiet hours, limits on the volume of traffic.

Now personally I think people who build expensive homes near airports deserve to have their sleep interrupted - but we all know how political pressure builds.

As far as aircraft - CRJ/ERJ aircraft for KTKI would be a short end to the airport's passenger life.

What airlines would use the aircraft to go to their hubs?

United to Denver? Delta to Atlanta or CVG? Northwest to Memphis?

Southwest would never go to McKinney - it's so opposite their normal business plan. One thing WN does extremely well is stay with a solid proven plan. They don't jump here and there just because of gate availability if it does not fit their plan.

Commercial passenger aviation at McKinney will probably start with an ultra-LCC carrier like Skybus.

If, and that's a bit IF, the American flying public is willing to accept the low service model with the low cost concept - then it might work.

I could easily see McKinney as an alternate airport for the region in 5-10 years - but limited to O&D traffic by a few carriers. It will never compete with Love and DFW - but a JetBlue/ Skybus/ Allegant/ type operation.

You'd probably see AirTran or Midwest move there eventually if their market research showed their passengers would use the airport.

McKinney does have one very significant advantage due to the end of Wright monoply created for Southwest at Love and AAL at DFW - Meacham, Alliance and Redbird are all prohibited for adding passenger service.
 
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:47 am

I never thought about NW to MEM.
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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Sun Nov 25, 2007 3:58 am



Quoting RFields5421 (Reply 46):
Southwest would never go to McKinney - it's so opposite their normal business plan. One thing WN does extremely well is stay with a solid proven plan. They don't jump here and there just because of gate availability if it does not fit their plan.

Under new Wright, WN is not allowed to go any airport within 80 mile radius of DAL Airport without loosing gates at DAL I believe until 2014 or is this forever?

So it is almost 100% a given as well they won't enter McKinney

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RE: Third Airport With Airline Service In Dallas Area

Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:15 pm

It wouldn't even make any sense for Southwest to go into McKinney because of the close proximity to Love Field.
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