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ELP: 90 Days No Landing Fee For New Nonstops

Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:27 am

Oh, brother, what won't they think of next  Yeah sure

http://www.kvia.com/Global/story.asp?S=7384113&nav=menu193_2

To quote the article:
"A new El Paso International Airport initiative is designed to add more non-stop flights to fly out of the facility, and that could mean lower prices for passengers, officials said Monday.

The measure has been placed the agenda at Tuesday's City Council meeting.

Passengers may not have to leave their seats when flying to certain destinations if the item is approved. An incentive to the various carriers: those which start a new non-stop service out of El Paso will not have to pay landing fees for 90 days."

So, the city council thinks that this will get major airlines to start hubbing at ELP? I don't think WN will bite on this one, either...Maybe ExpressJet will take the airport up on this one.

Does this reach new depths of lowness in the annals of airport management?
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RE: ELP: 90 Days No Landing Fee For New Nonstops

Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:36 am

So if a carrier adds new service, does the entire airline go fee-free for 90 days, or just the new route?
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RE: ELP: 90 Days No Landing Fee For New Nonstops

Wed Nov 21, 2007 5:42 am



Quoting KELPkid (Thread starter):
Does this reach new depths of lowness in the annals of airport management?

Nope. I'm sure several airports are offering similar incentives. I know GRR has been offering 90 days no landing fees for new nonstop service to markets not presently served by carriers at GRR for some time according to Brian Picardat A.A.E., Director of Finance and Administration at GRR. To date, carriers have not responded with service to new markets.

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RE: ELP: 90 Days No Landing Fee For New Nonstops

Wed Nov 21, 2007 6:49 pm

Quoting Iflyswa (Reply 2):
Nope. I'm sure several airports are offering similar incentives.

Very true and quite common.

As this article mentions, STL has a program to waive 6 months of landing fees for new nonstops from incumbents, 9 months from new carriers.
http://aviationweek.typepad.com/airports/2007/04/lambertst_louis.html

FAT offers I think a 4 month waiver.

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RE: ELP: 90 Days No Landing Fee For New Nonstops

Wed Nov 21, 2007 7:42 pm

ELP isn't a bad airport, but it can't seriously think of itself as a hub. The city simply isn't big enough.

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RE: ELP: 90 Days No Landing Fee For New Nonstops

Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:45 pm



Quoting KELPkid (Thread starter):
"A new El Paso International Airport initiative is designed to add more non-stop flights to fly out of the facility, and that could mean lower prices for passengers, officials said Monday.

Not a terrible idea considering they have lost a lot of traffic to the airport since 9/11. They're one of the few still struggling to get back to pre-9/11 levels of traffic according to their air traffic manager.
 
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RE: ELP: 90 Days No Landing Fee For New Nonstops

Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:53 pm



Quoting Davescj (Reply 4):
ELP isn't a bad airport, but it can't seriously think of itself as a hub.

 checkmark  The facilities aren't designed for that. There's not nearly enough gates, and not nearly enough runway capacity...before someone says "Three Runways", remember one of them is GA-only...

Quoting Davescj (Reply 4):
The city simply isn't big enough.

Probably not to generatre the kind of O&D numbers that carriers would like to see for a hub, no...but the metro area is often quoted at over 2.5 million (remember, it also services 1.5 million people across the border, which no "official" census or anything is ever going to show...).
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RE: ELP: 90 Days No Landing Fee For New Nonstops

Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:55 pm

Ive often though maybe UA or AA should do LAX-ELP.
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Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:57 pm



Quoting ATCGOD (Reply 5):
Not a terrible idea considering they have lost a lot of traffic to the airport since 9/11. They're one of the few still struggling to get back to pre-9/11 levels of traffic according to their air traffic manager.

But I don't think any majors, barring perhaps WN, is going to pass up any hubs for non-stops to ELP. I don't forsee UA beginning IAD-ELP or SFO-ELP or LAX-ELP for example...heck, they don't even service DEN-ELP on mainline equipment  Wink
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RE: ELP: 90 Days No Landing Fee For New Nonstops

Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:58 pm



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 7):
Ive often though maybe UA or AA should do LAX-ELP.

It would be a bloodbath for them, as WN already has very established market loyalty on that route (going back to 1980!).
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RE: ELP: 90 Days No Landing Fee For New Nonstops

Wed Nov 21, 2007 8:59 pm



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 9):
It would be a bloodbath for them, as WN already has very established market loyalty on that route (going back to 1980!).

It would have to be timed for connections, not meant for O&D.
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RE: ELP: 90 Days No Landing Fee For New Nonstops

Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:03 pm



Quoting KELPkid (Thread starter):
So, the city council thinks that this will get major airlines to start hubbing at ELP

Nowhere in the article does it mention hubbing. El Paso simply wants more nonstop service. Who can blame 'em?

Just about every airport - big or small - has some sort of service incentive program in place.
 
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RE: ELP: 90 Days No Landing Fee For New Nonstops

Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:09 pm



Quoting ModernArt (Reply 11):

Just about every airport - big or small - has some sort of service incentive program in place.

You can count PIT out.. The only incentive they're offering is a landing fee increase.  crazy 
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RE: ELP: 90 Days No Landing Fee For New Nonstops

Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:27 am

Good incentive. If they could only remove the morons running the airport they would probably see their situation improve.


As far as UA @ ELP.... IAD and ORD nonstops as well as UA mainline service is being considered. ELP is an ZW ground handled station and the contract is currently being considered for renewal.
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RE: ELP: 90 Days No Landing Fee For New Nonstops

Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:41 am



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 7):
Ive often though maybe UA or AA should do LAX-ELP

We could sure use some competition, WN is asking over 500.00 for a last minute ticket these days.

Quoting KELPkid (Reply 9):
It would be a bloodbath for them, as WN already has very established market loyalty on that route (going back to 1980!).

You're absolutely right, they have some loyal weekly fliers on that route. AA or UA would have to beat them on price and frequency to make any dent. I don't think CRJ's would work either just ask x-jet.
 
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RE: ELP: 90 Days No Landing Fee For New Nonstops

Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:52 am



Quoting Frontierflyer (Reply 14):
I don't think CRJ's would work either just ask x-jet.

If United were to start LAX and/or SFO flights, you can almost guarantee that it will be on a CRJ.
 
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RE: ELP: 90 Days No Landing Fee For New Nonstops

Thu Nov 22, 2007 4:29 am

[quote=ModernArt,reply=15]If United were to start LAX and/or SFO flights, you can almost guarantee that it will be on a CRJ.
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RE: ELP: 90 Days No Landing Fee For New Nonstops

Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:35 pm

Good for ELP. It's always good to offer incentives to stimulate demand...

Here at FWA, they're offering waived landing fees for 2 years to new entrant carriers, 1 year for existing carriers adding new routes, and 6 months for existing carriers adding frequencies. The incentives are going to expire sometime next year, but I hear that they might start new ones because pax traffic is going up fast and they wwant the momentum to continue.

These incentives are why G4 came into the market, and also why MQ boosted FWA-ORD from 4x daily to 5x daily. (Oddly enough, no carrier has taken advantage of the existing carrier adding a new route incentive yet... I would have thought that UAX would have added FWA-DEN or FWA-IAD by now.)
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