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Air Algiers Looking At IAH, IAD And JFK

Wed Nov 21, 2007 1:48 pm

Per a posting from Pete at Houston Spotters, it would appear that AH is looking at expanding to North America, specifically NY, D.C. and Houston (likely years away, if ever).

Article (in French) http://www.algerie-dz.com/article5311.html

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RE: Air Algiers Looking At IAH, IAD And JFK

Wed Nov 21, 2007 3:14 pm

Well from what I can read they dont have the right to operate direct flights to the US. Also, apparentlythe pressure is mostly coming from American companies in the oil-rich algerian south to have flights to Houston and D.C.

So why doesn't AT try to look at tapping on this market (via CMN)?
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Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:00 pm

We dont hear too much about AT !! How are they doing generally ???
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:13 pm



Quoting Bambicruz (Reply 1):
Also, apparentlythe pressure is mostly coming from American companies in the oil-rich algerian south to have flights to Houston and D.C.

HME is the main airport that most oil workers use to get out to the fields in the Sahara. I've flown there on a 757 and it didn't seem to me that it could handle anything much bigger. Would most companies expect to fly to ALG then down to HME on AH?

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Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:55 pm

now, my turn to be be pedantic!

its AIr Algerie!

nevertheless, has always been on my list of countries I'd love to see..Any nice Algerians out there willing to host???!!
 
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Sat Nov 24, 2007 1:56 am



Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Thread starter):
Per a posting from Pete at Houston Spotters, it would appear that AH is looking at expanding to North America, specifically NY, D.C. and Houston (likely years away, if ever).

Why do they tease us like this? Another carrier that will never be seen in Houston?
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2007 1:54 am



Quoting Bambicruz (Reply 1):
Well from what I can read they dont have the right to operate direct flights to the US. Also, apparentlythe pressure is mostly coming from American companies in the oil-rich algerian south to have flights to Houston and D.C.

So I wonder why they're considering Houston? I don't get it.


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Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:30 am



Quoting Bartond (Reply 6):
So I wonder why they're considering Houston? I don't get it.

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RE: Air Algiers Looking At IAH, IAD And JFK

Tue Nov 27, 2007 3:41 am

They'd have to fight a hard battle with AF, who I'm sure controls most of the US-Algeria traffic.
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:05 am



Quoting Cba (Reply 8):
They'd have to fight a hard battle with AF, who I'm sure controls most of the US-Algeria traffic.

There have been recent rumors saying that AH could join Skyteam
 
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Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:24 am



Quoting Goldorak (Reply 9):
There have been recent rumors saying that AH could join Skyteam

I don't know what AH's international service is like, but the domestic flights I've taken in Algeria have been on really beaten up 737s with very tatty interiors, broken seats, disinterested crew, etc. Nothing that would encourage me to use them if I had a choice.
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RE: Air Algiers Looking At IAH, IAD And JFK

Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:36 am

Quoting Toxtethogrady (Reply 5):
Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Thread starter):
Per a posting from Pete at Houston Spotters, it would appear that AH is looking at expanding to North America, specifically NY, D.C. and Houston (likely years away, if ever).

Why do they tease us like this? Another carrier that will never be seen in Houston?

I give them a better shot and landing at IAH than City Star. Why City Star still attempts to claim they are coming to Houston in January is beyond me. They have not applied with DOT to fly to the U.S. and it takes 4-6 months for new carriers to be approved. Even if they wait for Open Skies, all international airlines that fly to the U.S. have to go through the same 4-6 month process regardless.

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Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:46 am

Before AH could join Skyteam they would have to change most of their crews..
Incredibly des-interested cabin-staff,could't care less about you and their aircraft are in not so brillant conditions (interior that is..)
I spend nearly one year in Algeria and it is not one of my favoured destinations.Tourism and the whole concept of receiving and treating visitors is not comparable with Morocco or Tunisia.They might have oil but they lack openness and friendliness.Sorry-that's how I perceived Algeria..
On-top,Europeans do need a visa to visit ! So building a meaningful hospitality industry but sticking to visa-rules is literally exclusive.
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Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:02 am



Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 12):
On-top,Europeans do need a visa to visit ! So building a meaningful hospitality industry but sticking to visa-rules is literally exclusive.

Many countries I visit require visas. It's not that big of a deal.

Yes, they could greatly simplify the process by issuing a tourist visa at the airport when you arrive, which wouldn't require the paperwork the current visa does.
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Tue Nov 27, 2007 8:29 am

Despite the fact that most North-African and Arab citizens do require visa to enter Europe,the opposite is not neccesarily true.Many of those countries derive substantial income from tourism and would be stupid to impose tight visa rules.
Even most of the Gulf-counties now issue visas at the airport-including Lebanon.
Algeria applies the rule of reciprocity -Europe requires visa for our citizens,so we require visa from Europeans.
If Morocco ,Tunisia or Turkey would act accordingly,their economy would collapse.
Algeria could simplify the economic growth by dropping the visa rule and get a substantial amount of visitors within a short timeframe.Many French would easily take a short flight across the med and visit the medinas of Algiers or Oran ,lay on the beaches of Sidi Ferouche or make a drop into Saharan places like Ghardaia.But the hassle to obtain a visa takes away the spontaneaous travellers's desire..
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RE: Air Algiers Looking At IAH, IAD And JFK

Tue Nov 27, 2007 4:16 pm

Hi,

Quoting Beaucaire (Reply 12):
I spend nearly one year in Algeria and it is not one of my favoured destinations.Tourism and the whole concept of receiving and treating visitors is not comparable with Morocco or Tunisia.They might have oil but they lack openness and friendliness.Sorry-that's how I perceived Algeria..
On-top,Europeans do need a visa to visit ! So building a meaningful hospitality industry but sticking to visa-rules is literally exclusive.

The main reason for that is quite simple. Unlike Algeria, our North African neighbours (Tunisia & Morocco) don't have nearly the amount of natural resources that Algeria has. So, those countries have invested heavily in the tourism and service industry (by building the necessary infrastructure and so forth), because it makes up a huge part of their revenues. Algeria on the other hand isn't in need of the revenues tourism offers because the natural resources are more than ample. Tourism is just not a top priority.

I do agree that Algeria should look into reviving a once thriving tourism industry. The sights, beaches, and culture present in Algeria are abundant and a sure pleasure for many to experience. I've gone twelve times already to visit family, and everytime I go I see improvements. This past summer being the biggest change I've noticed. The subway in Algiers, The revamping and fixing of existing roads/highways, the East-West Highway currently under construction etc. These are all examples of current projects going on around the country. Not to mention all the new airport renovations around the country!  Smile I would say though, Algeria has a way to go, but hopefully it will get there.

As for lack of openness and friendliness, I have to disagree my friend. Every non-Algerian I've talked to that's been there has said the thing they liked most was the hospitality they received while in Algeria. As well as the sights and beaches!  Smile

Quoting Cba (Reply 8):
They'd have to fight a hard battle with AF, who I'm sure controls most of the US-Algeria traffic.

I don't know the exact stats, but I think with all these airlines resuming or starting service to ALG, AF's share of the market has dropped.

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Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:35 pm



Quoting AH332 (Reply 15):
I do agree that Algeria should look into reviving a once thriving tourism industry.

Unfortunately, as things stand today, for most Westerners, Algeria presents a fairly serious security risk.

The company I work for will not allow unescorted travel and the only authorised travel is between the airport, office and hotel. There's no chance of going sight-seeing! Obviously, things are more relaxed further south, but there's not much to see other than sand!

I've worked all over the "dangerous" Middle East and we have very few restrictions placed on us in Qatar and UAE. Slightly more in Kuwait and Saudi. Algeria is the most restrictive company location I've visited (although I have managed to avoid being sent to Nigeria so far!)
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RE: Air Algiers Looking At IAH, IAD And JFK

Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:15 pm

Hi,

Quoting Scbriml (Reply 16):
The company I work for will not allow unescorted travel and the only authorised travel is between the airport, office and hotel. There's no chance of going sight-seeing! Obviously, things are more relaxed further south, but there's not much to see other than sand!

I've worked all over the "dangerous" Middle East and we have very few restrictions placed on us in Qatar and UAE. Slightly more in Kuwait and Saudi. Algeria is the most restrictive company location I've visited (although I have managed to avoid being sent to Nigeria so far!)

Yah, I get that a lot! Security is the first thing that creeps into people's minds when thinking of heading into Algeria. I can understand why, after the brutal civil war in the nineties it's not a surprise.

But I think what people fail to realize is that Algeria's security problems, for the most part, are nonexistent. The only place where stuff occasionally happens is deep in the rural mountains, usually in the east of the country. I mean those are places I wouldn't even go to, even with armed protection! But those places are few and far between and the whole of Algeria is a relatively safe place to visit, especially if staying in the cities.

Oh, and the desert is a lot more interesting than you might think!  Smile

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