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US Airways To Operate PHL To London Heathrow!

Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:28 pm

This news is now over a day old and I can assure everyone I have done a thorough search but cannot see any thread relating to this which I was surprised at that... As this is big news thought is deserved its own thread!
(If there is already a dedicated thread, please feel free to delete this thread.)

http://www.usairways.com/awa/content/aboutus/pressroom/london.aspx

According to the US Airways website, from the 29th March 2008 US Airways will operate a daily service between LHR-PHL, it's unclear if this will replace the service they operate from LGW or if both routes will operate alongside each other.

The route will be operated by an A330 and will operate the following scheduled:

Philadelphia - London Heathrow
Flight Departure Arrival
720 10:45 PM 11:05 AM

London Heathrow - Philadelphia
Flight Departure Arrival
721 12:50 PM 4:00 PM

As you can see the timings are not the greatest, but I suppose beggars cannot be choosers when it comes to slots at LHR! Also 1hr 45mins, on the ground in London does not seem long to be on the ground. - When you consider how congested LHR can be, and sometimes you end taxing for over 30 mins when you land and leaves little catch up time if the incoming flight is delayed...

If the LGW service does remain, I would expect to see this remain permanently with a 757-200 flying the route...

I bet Charlotte will be pushing US Airways really hard now, to secure them an LHR slot as opposed to LGW - as this has been on their wish list for a long time. Unlike PHL, which already has an LHR route with BA!

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It would be interesting to see who US Airways have obtained the slots from.

Unlike other US carriers that have annouced routes from LHR, they have been closely tied with other European carriers, but US Airways seems to be making this move on their own. I would have thought they would have annouced the route as a joint partnership/codeshre with maybe BMI, Lufthansa or United.

Its just my view, but for some reason I am really surprised at their move and was expecting US Airways to be the last of the carriers to move and be willing to pay LHR's price for the valuable slots.
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2007 10:55 pm

There was a thread yesterday, but it somehow disappeared!
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Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:14 pm

While this is great news that US passengers don't have to fly into Crapwick every time, I'm not sure how likely future CLT-LHR service is. CLT is being groomed as the gateway to Latin America and sure, it would be nice, but with current LGW service already it's not going to be high on the list of priorities.
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:17 pm

we got the slots from BMI
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:25 pm



Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):
Crapwick

 bigthumbsup 

Obviously you ain't flown through LHR recently!

Even though LHR may be best for airlines, in terms of revenue and provide better connection for the passengers. The airport is worst than LGW by a mile in every sense.

All of London's airports a total embarressment!
 
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Wed Nov 21, 2007 11:47 pm

This would be the perfect time (route) for US to upgrade their Envoy product, now that they are directly competing with BA. Until recently the Envoy Lounge was the top PHL club facility and US could flaunt it as a unique Envoy benefit. However BAs new recently opened Lounges have since (IMO) taken that honor and who knows what the new Delta/AF Crown Room will look like. Hear me Tempe? It will be interesting to see how this new flight affects the expected continuing 757 LGW passenger loads next year.
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:23 am



Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):
this is great news that US passengers don't have to fly into Crapwick every time

I'll choose to fly into LGW before LHR any time.

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Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:34 am



Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):
I'm not sure how likely future CLT-LHR service is. CLT is being groomed as the gateway to Latin America and sure, it would be nice, but with current LGW service already it's not going to be high on the list of priorities.

I doubt CLT would be high on the list given the cost of slots at LHR. The vast majority of the people who are either O&D or connecting on the CLT-LGW flight are likely terminating in London, which negates Heathrow's connection advantage, making any other difference negligible.
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:30 am



Quoting Jlbmedia (Reply 1):
There was a thread yesterday, but it somehow disappeared!

Yeah I've searched all over for it but it looks like it got deleted. Not sure why though? Maybe a mod can tell us what happened?
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:39 am

Will bmi codeshare on US PHL-LHR?
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:48 am

I'm pretty sure they will Alangirvan.
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 4:09 am



Quoting N1120A (Reply 7):
The vast majority of the people who are either O&D or connecting on the CLT-LGW flight are likely terminating in London, which negates Heathrow's connection advantage, making any other difference negligible.

CLT-LGW is not a stellar performer pax-wise. Loads are all right, but that comes at the expense of yields, particularly in the winter. Cargo keeps that flight going (kind of like AA's DFW-SCL service)... cargo doesn't especially care what airport it uses.
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 4:18 am

How is US marketing this service .... "COME FLY US: WE WILL SEEM LIKE PARADISE CONNECTING 2 HELLISH AIRPORTS"?

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Thu Nov 22, 2007 4:31 am



Quoting Mariner (Reply 6):
I'll choose to fly into LGW before LHR any time.

Thankfully, they appear to be keeping the PHL-LGW flight as well. I've flown to LGW and dealt with M25 traffic even when going to Windsor (near LHR) just to avoid Heathrow, and been glad that I did.

[Edited 2007-11-21 20:31:37]
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:00 am

I think many repeat flyers prefer um, Crapwick to Heathblow. I do.
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:04 am

If LHR is your only stop, it's not that bad, I would prefer it over LGW.  Smile
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:04 am



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 12):
How is US marketing this service .... "COME FLY US: WE WILL SEEM LIKE PARADISE CONNECTING 2 HELLISH AIRPORTS"?

 Wink  Wow!  duck   splat 
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Quoting Alangirvan (Reply 9):
Will bmi codeshare on US PHL-LHR?

Most likely - I'd be very surprised if they didn't. What every happened to BMI's transatlantic plans out of LHR?  Wink

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
If the LGW service does remain, I would expect to see this remain permanently with a 757-200 flying the route...

 checkmark  Not to start another "757 transatlantic" thread, but that alone would convince me to fly into the joke of an airport that is known as London Heathrow, the UK's and London's embarassing primary gateway. But of course, it would be hard to convince me to fly on US anyways...  Wink

Quoting HPRamper (Reply 2):
While this is great news that US passengers don't have to fly into Crapwick every time

Ummm...  Confused
Even though the oldish South Terminal isn't exactly what I'd call nice, its much better than LHR T3. And the North Terminal is quite nice and new.
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Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 4):
All of London's airports a total embarressment!

While none of them are exactly world-class, STN, LTN, and even Gatwick are fine, even if they're a bit too far from central London. I'd take them anyday over PHL.
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:35 am



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
cargo doesn't especially care what airport it uses.

But Freight Forwarders do care which airport they use, and some airlines that only fly into LGW have to accept freight at LHR and drive it to LGW. ( I might be a bit out of date - that used to be true.) Freight will be one of the big advantages of operating to LHR. If an airline uses 757s over the Atlantic, that suggests that they do not expect a lot of cargo revenue on a route.
 
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Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
f the LGW service does remain, I would expect to see this remain permanently with a 757-200 flying the route...

We do carry significant amounts of freight on this route. I would say it's a widebody or it's cut.
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:36 am



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 11):
CLT-LGW is not a stellar performer pax-wise. Loads are all right, but that comes at the expense of yields, particularly in the winter. Cargo keeps that flight going (kind of like AA's DFW-SCL service)... cargo doesn't especially care what airport it uses.

I don't know much about the yields, no one here does, but it's not quite the dog you seem to think it is (judging by this and other recent posts). CLT-LGW carries more passengers than PHL-LGW, not to mention CVG-LGW, MSP-LGW, RDU-LGW, TPA-LGW, BWI-LHR, and DTW-LHR; and it's not too far behind DEN-LHR. Source: http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/80/airport...tl_Air_Pax_Route_Analysis_2006.pdf
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:05 am

With this news of US airways coming to LHR, how many airlines from the states is that going to be now operating to and from Heathrow..

United
American
Continental
Delta
Northwest
US airways

Is that the correct list?

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Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:24 am



Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 4):
Obviously you ain't flown through LHR recently!

Even though LHR may be best for airlines, in terms of revenue and provide better connection for the passengers. The airport is worst than LGW by a mile in every sense.

All of London's airports a total embarressment!



Quoting Mariner (Reply 6):
I'll choose to fly into LGW before LHR any time.



Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 12):
How is US marketing this service .... "COME FLY US: WE WILL SEEM LIKE PARADISE CONNECTING 2 HELLISH AIRPORTS"?



Quoting PHLwok (Reply 13):
I've flown to LGW and dealt with M25 traffic even when going to Windsor (near LHR) just to avoid Heathrow, and been glad that I did.



Quoting Threepoint (Reply 14):
I think many repeat flyers prefer um, Crapwick to Heathblow. I do.



Quoting 747fan (Reply 16):
Not to start another "757 transatlantic" thread, but that alone would convince me to fly into the joke of an airport that is known as London Heathrow, the UK's and London's embarassing primary gateway

...all this Heathrow-bashing on a.net is SO tedious. There are plenty of folk who work at LHR and frequent a.net and get tired of all the anti-LHR threads. There are plenty of airports in the world that are worse than Heathrow from a passenger-perspective, but I suppose it's an 'easy target' for everyone on here. Let's just all jump on the bash-LHR band wagon...

FWIW, those of us that work at LHR every day DO see the improvements going on in the terminals, and look forward to the day that T5 opens, Heathrow East opens, T3 improvements are complete, runway 3 is built and so on. We ARE working hard to restore LHR as the premier European gateway, but it takes time and investment, beyond the BAA shopping malls.
 
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Quoting LHR777 (Reply 21):
There are plenty of airports in the world that are worse than Heathrow from a passenger-perspective,

True, but they are all in the 3rd world!
 
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Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 22):
Quoting LHR777 (Reply 21):
There are plenty of airports in the world that are worse than Heathrow from a passenger-perspective,

True, but they are all in the 3rd world!

Try Warsaw. Possibly the worst in Europe amont the major airports.
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Quoting LHR777 (Reply 21):
There are plenty of folk who work at LHR and frequent a.net and get tired of all the anti-LHR threads. There are plenty of airports in the world that are worse than Heathrow from a passenger-perspective, but I suppose it's an 'easy target' for everyone on here. Let's just all jump on the bash-LHR band wagon...

Well maybe the people who work at Heathrow and find the LHR bashing tedious, should put themsleves in the shoes of the passengers that use the airport and find it such a nightmare to use! Many of the people on here are making a fair comment, I use LTN, STN, EMA, BHX and LGW regularly and none of them are perfect, but the whole passenger experience is so much better than LHR!

Also the staff at other UK airports, seem so much friendlier. I was shocked at how rude some of ground handling agents were when I flew with Air Canada.
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 12:37 pm

Nice to see US Airways joining the LHR club, can't wait to see jet black A333's at the airport, though PHL is one of the more 'thin' North American routes from LHR.

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 24):
Also the staff at other UK airports, seem so much friendlier. I was shocked at how rude some of ground handling agents were when I flew with Air Canada.

That's not Heathrow's problem, blame the airline and/or ground handling company, i've flown from plenty of overseas airports where ground staff were moody and grumpy. So let's not pretend this problem is exclusive to LHR.
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Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 24):
Well maybe the people who work at Heathrow and find the LHR bashing tedious, should put themsleves in the shoes of the passengers that use the airport and find it such a nightmare to use!

Guess what? We often ARE in passengers shoes, as we get flight benefits which involve us also using LHR, along with a myriad of other airports. Often times more than a lot of folk on here too! From your profile, you're a self-proclaimed BAA-basher anyway....  Yeah sure
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 1:21 pm



Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 22):
True, but they are all in the 3rd world!

Hmm, MAD, IAD - not exactly pinacles of airport design or passenger satisfaction!

Quoting Gilesdavies (Reply 24):
how rude some of ground handling agents were when I flew with Air Canada.

But they are AC's own staff, and AC are not renowned for giving great customer service... It must also be stated that many (MANY!) pax are rude, arrogant and obnoxious, no matter how good the service they receive...

Quoting Arsenal@LHR (Reply 25):
let's not pretend this problem is exclusive to LHR.

BINGO! One problem faced in every city in every country and in every industry!

US - welcome to LHR! Be interesting to see which terminal they get to operate out of, and whether they get more slots in the future? Also, will BD be giving more slots away (temporary leases?) so that US operate the routes and BD code-share/cash-share?
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:14 pm

In the first quarter of 2007 LHR was ranked 80th out of 93 european airports for overall quality. LGW was ranked 68th.

the report states that in the subset of ten larger european airports LHR was ranked 7th and LGW was ranked 4th.Well done to LGW, LHR needs improving however is being improved (T5, Heathrow east, Third runway etc).

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Quoting BY188B (Reply 28):
In the first quarter of 2007 LHR was ranked 80th out of 93 european airports for overall quality.

Wow, that is really bad. Thought that LHR would have been little higher.
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:38 pm



Quoting Arsenal@LHR (Reply 25):
Nice to see US Airways joining the LHR club, can't wait to see jet black A333's at the airport

They're no longer jet black (well the bottom of them is navy). I'm pretty sure most, if not all of USAirways' A330's are in their new livery. Personally, I liked the black livery better.

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Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 12):
How is US marketing this service .... "COME FLY US: WE WILL SEEM LIKE PARADISE CONNECTING 2 HELLISH AIRPORTS"?

Well done.

Or how about "If you thought our LGW service was bad, wait till you fly us to LHR"

No reason all those who prefer LHR should be spared from US's sterling service......
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 4:42 pm



Quoting Arsenal@LHR (Reply 25):
Nice to see US Airways joining the LHR club, can't wait to see jet black A333's at the airport, though PHL is one of the more 'thin' North American routes from LHR.



Quoting 747fan (Reply 30):
They're no longer jet black (well the bottom of them is navy).



Quoting 747fan (Reply 30):
Personally, I liked the black livery better.

Heh, it was never black. It was always navy blue.

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Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 27):
Be interesting to see which terminal they get to operate out of

They'll be using Terminal 1 as far as I know.
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Quoting DLPMMM (Reply 22):
Quoting LHR777 (Reply 21):
There are plenty of airports in the world that are worse than Heathrow from a passenger-perspective,

True, but they are all in the 3rd world!

= LMAO! Hahahaha. That is just funny. But wait, I do consider CDG at part with LHR  Smile. Does that count?

Quoting Rbgso (Reply 31):
Or how about "If you thought our LGW service was bad, wait till you fly us to LHR"

= LMAO!

Quoting Rbgso (Reply 31):
No reason all those who prefer LHR should be spared from US's sterling service......

= The irony of the word "sterling" makes it even more funny ... no reasonall those who prefer to spend their Sterlings at LHR should be shapred from US's sterling service!

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Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:01 pm

I wonder if PHX will get service to LHR out of PHX in the somewhat near future on US. I would imagine CLT would be next on the list. I just hope they pay some attention to the western U.S. and their PHX hub. (Ugh! memories of US basically dissolving PSA completely) .
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Quoting Rockinflyer (Reply 35):
I wonder if PHX will get service to LHR out of PHX in the somewhat near future on US. I would imagine CLT would be next on the list. I just hope they pay some attention to the western U.S. and their PHX hub. (Ugh! memories of US basically dissolving PSA completely) .

Seems doubtful as we already have the field dominated by BA's flight to LHR. I wish though that US would spend more time expanding their HQ hub city with more international traffic besides Mèxico.
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:48 pm

I can see many opportunities for expansion at PHX by US. I think we're a bit overloaded with flights to Mexico here in the west. If not LHR, maybe some other point in Europe? FRA and/or AMS could work out well. I've noticed that when I lived in PHX briefly, many European travelers loved the desert climate and there is so much to do with in a relatively small range. "Self -drive" trips were popular as well. Anyway, I just hope the western U.S. gets some attention from US.
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:13 pm



Quoting LHRBlueSkies (Reply 27):
Hmm, MAD, IAD - not exactly pinacles of airport design or passenger satisfaction!

You aren't serious about Dulles are you?

Quoting Gilesdavies (Thread starter):
I bet Charlotte will be pushing US Airways really hard now, to secure them an LHR slot as opposed to LGW - as this has been on their wish list for a long time. Unlike PHL, which already has an LHR route with BA!

It makes more sense to use the slot at Philadelphia, as it keeps US competitive with BA on the PHL-LHR route. They have the CLT-LON route all to themselves, no need immediate need to move to Heathrow.
 
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Quoting Rockinflyer (Reply 38):
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Quoting Gigneil (Reply 32):
Quoting 747fan (Reply 30):
Personally, I liked the black livery better.

Heh, it was never black. It was always navy blue.

Whoops! My bad.  Smile

Quoting IliriBDL (Reply 33):
They'll be using Terminal 1 as far as I know.

My guess is that UA eventually will go there from T3 as well, as part of the Heathrow master plan is to try to get the alliances under one roof. The plan is for T1 to be the "Star Terminal." I believe Terminal 3 will be SkyTeam, but I don't know about OneWorld since BA will have T5 to itself. I do know the non-aligned carriers will be in T4.
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:29 pm



Quoting 747fan (Reply 41):
The plan is for T1 to be the "Star Terminal." I believe Terminal 3 will be SkyTeam, but I don't know about OneWorld since BA will have T5 to itself. I do know the non-aligned carriers will be in T4.

I just realized that my previous post was incorrect. It looks like Terminal 4 will actually be SkyTeam, as that is where NW, CO, and DL are tentatively planned to be housed. I assume KE, KLM, AZ, etc. will also make the move from T2. The non-aligned carriers, including EK, 9W, AI, etc. will be in T4 as well. Terminal 3 will be OneWorld (as well as T5 obviously, but BA will still have 757 flights at T3 and I believe the MIA flight still). I already knew that T1 will be Star Alliance. Sorry for my mistake.  Yeah sure
 
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Quoting 747fan (Reply 42):
I just realized that my previous post was incorrect. It looks like Terminal 4 will actually be SkyTeam, as that is where NW, CO, and DL are tentatively planned to be housed. I assume KE, KLM, AZ, etc. will also make the move from T2. The non-aligned carriers, including EK, 9W, AI, etc. will be in T4 as well. Terminal 3 will be OneWorld (as well as T5 obviously, but BA will still have 757 flights at T3 and I believe the MIA flight still). I already knew that T1 will be Star Alliance. Sorry for my mistake.

KLM are already at T4. SkyTeam associate member Kenya Airways will also stay at T4.

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Quoting Abrelosojos (Reply 34):
= LMAO! Hahahaha. That is just funny. But wait, I do consider CDG at part with LHR  . Does that count?

CDG in the third world? LMAO....

Seriously, plenty of US airports are pretty dire to begin with. No international-to-international connections, surly TSA staff, a welcome grilling from INS, archaic baggage transfer rules, heck, you dont even get free booze in the lounges!

I've been to crappy airports in South America, Africa, Asia and Europe. It's not just a LHR-thing.

CIA, WAW, MVD, CCS, BAQ, BOG, KHI, TUN, CAI...all non passenger-focused airports, from my personal experience. However, some of these airports are also going through changes to become more passenger-centric. Some, are not.

Still, back to the topic in hand -

US Airways at LHR. Fantastic, welcome! Great scheduling too, with a departure in-between the two BA PHL services. My question is, can the US Airways product provide a match to BA's 3 class (767) or 4 class (777) product? After all, BA is the competition on the route. US does have the benefit of onward connections into the U.S. that BA doesn't, but is that enough? What about the O&D traffic?
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:51 pm

The move to T1 is expected in 2008 right?

Also TK should be included when they join Star Alliance.
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Quoting LHR777 (Reply 44):
My question is, can the US Airways product provide a match to BA's 3 class (767) or 4 class (777) product?

Yes, their A330 is light years ahead of the their 767. Sure it doesn't have the new CW, WTP or First, but it it'll do. US' A330s, IMO, are some of the nicest widebodies flown by a US carrier.
 
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Quoting Rockinflyer (Reply 35):
I wonder if PHX will get service to LHR out of PHX in the somewhat near future on US.

You got to be kidding, right? DLH pulled PHX for a reason....it didn't make any $$$$. I remember pre 9/11 I believe KL/NW added PHX-AMS briefly or mentioned they would add the route...it never materialized. PHX proper might have 1.5m+ inhabitants but the traffic generated is low yield. And with fuel prices at their current level, I doubt you will see more int'l service from PHX.

On another note, the departure time of the PHL-LHR flight begs the question if US can/should alleviate the gate issue at PHL by adding a 4th bank of flights (similiar to what DL will do at JFK). Or does that appear too logical, which we know is not a strong point of airlines sometimes?
 
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Quoting 747fan (Reply 42):
but BA will still have 757 flights at T3 and I believe the MIA flight still

No, MIA will apparently use T5. BA website shows the following routes at T3. The only longhaul routes at T3 are BKK/SIN/SYD, due to the BA/QF codeshare services.

By October 2008, Terminal 3 will be home to British Airways flights to Bangkok, Singapore, Sydney, Madrid, Barcelona, Helsinki, Lisbon, Nice and Algiers
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:03 pm



Quoting Philly65 (Reply 47):
On another note, the departure time of the PHL-LHR flight begs the question if US can/should alleviate the gate issue at PHL by adding a 4th bank of flights (similiar to what DL will do at JFK). Or does that appear too logical, which we know is not a strong point of airlines sometimes?

That may work for high volume "tourist" destinations, but the premium business routes (which are the money makers) need to have arrivals at their destinations early in the day - not near noon. Especially since it takes 1-2 hours or more to get to the office from arrival time. Although the PHL-LHR arrival slot is not optimum, but OK, it has the advantage of minimum conflict (and a potential later departure benefit) with the earlier BA flights
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