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NWA Memphis To Japan Via 787?

Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:59 am

This article was in the Memphis paper about service from Memphis to Japan via Northwest Airlines using one of the forthcoming NWA 787s. Does anyone have any more details? How likely is it?

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news.../nov/22/nwa-studies-japan-nonstop/
 
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RE: NWA Memphis To Japan Via 787?

Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:36 am

Aside from Elvis tourists, I can't see this route having any O&D traffic. Any connecting traffic could easily be filtered through MSP or DTW instead.
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:24 am

Absolutely feasible, it just all depends on slot availability at NRT.
Assuming a few slots are gained by NW, 787 service from NRT could look like this by 2010:
NRT-JFK: resumption of service
NRT-CAN: replacement of current 752 flight
NRT-MEM: new flight
NRT-HAN or SGN: new flight
NRT-MSP: second weekly MSP flight could be brought to daily.
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:32 am

I'd say pretty unlikely. Although it is true that DL operates ATL-NRT with a lot of success, only 16% of that traffic is O&D. The majority is connections from Latin America (esp. Brazil) and DL loyalists who are willing to connect from other markets.

NW at MEM doesn't have the strong Latin America network to draw from, and any of the cities in the South that they do serve could just as easily connect over MSP/DTW.

Even given NW's hub at NRT, it's my opinion that MEM doesn't have the O&D or connections to make such a flight work. Of course, they're able to make MEM-AMS work, but that is an entirely different market. Asia tends to have much less tourist traffic, and it's a fact that there simply aren't many significant business ties between Asia and the Southeastern US.

I'd expect to see the 787s serve routes like JFK-NRT, DTW-HKG, DTW-ICN, DTW-TPE, DTW-TLV, MSP-HKG, SEA-HKG, etc. before we see Asian expansion from MEM, although I've been wrong before.
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:31 pm

How do you explain all the Japanese car makers building factories in the south? That sound slike important business tie to Asia to me! Only NWA nows if the route is feasable or not and since they are the ones that brought this up, don' t you think it has some sort of merit? Oh I forgot, everyone here is smarter than the suits.


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Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:38 pm



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 3):
Asia tends to have much less tourist traffic, and it's a fact that there simply aren't many significant business ties between Asia and the Southeastern US.

Considering that when I take the 11am TYS-DTW flight there are always plenty (varies from as few as 3 to 10+) of Japanese looking guys in "Denso" (or similar) shirts, who connect to NRT flights in DTW I think there are some business ties between Japan and South East USA. As far as I can tell there is plenty of car manufacturing business around here.

I know that my observation is only random. Anyway I think that MEM-NRT on 787 might work. Plus it could be a reliever for DTW-NRT and MSP-NRT flights in case the northern hubs are hit with a bad weather.
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:41 pm

The flight will work. Tennessee ranks 5th among all states in terms of Japanese investment. Recently Nissan moved their North American HQ to Nashville from LA to be closer to it's southern facilities and suppliers. One of the biggest drawbacks to Nashville cited by Nissan, was the lack of direct flights to Japan. BNA has even kicked around the idea of a direct flight to NRT, but not being a hub, will make that a tough sell to any airline. The state of Tennessee feels that to continue to attract more Japanese investment a direct flight would be an incentive. MEM will be quicker and more convenient than either DTW or MSP if traveling from anywhere in the southeast.

[Edited 2007-11-22 10:49:30]

[Edited 2007-11-22 10:50:18]
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:21 pm



Quoting Airguardtn (Reply 6):
. MEM will be quicker and more convenient than either DTW or MSP if traveling from anywhere in the southeast.

I am not sure that a BNA-MEM-NRT would be any quicker or more convenient than a BNA-DTW-NRT or a BNA-MSP-NRT routing. The Great Circle nm for all three is very similar with BNA-MSP-NRT being the shortest by 119 nm. It would all depend on the schedule and connecting time.

As far as new 787 service to Asia it appears that JFK-NRT, BOS-NRT, DTW-China, and DTW/MSP-HKG, and DTW-India would get first dibs. MEM-NRT would be down lower on the pecking order
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:14 pm

I think it has a chance of being a money-maker. A number of Japanese car companies have factories in Tennessee, Oaklahoma, etc. It's true that MEM probably doesn't have a HUGE O&D demand for a NRT service. It's a "long, thin route."

But Boeing expressly designed the 787 to serve long, thin routes.
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:07 am

To think that an airport that is as outdated and crappy as MEM could serve as an Asian gateway is embarassing to the USA. I'm sorry, but that's the truth. With all due respect, Memphis is the LAST city I want people to see when they get off an airplane from another country. They need to fix that airport and bring it up to the 21st Century (which would lift it OUT of the 1960's) before adding flights to God knows where.

In any regard, I doubt the flight will be a huge success from BNA's standpoint. It's just as easy, and just as convienent to connect in DTW from BNA for a flight to NRT. Personally, I bet from an O&D standpoint, there's more demand for it FROM BNA than MEM. Notice, I said an "O & D Standpoint"!!

[Edited 2007-11-22 17:18:07]
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:17 am



Quoting Azjubilee (Reply 4):
How do you explain all the Japanese car makers building factories in the south? That sound slike important business tie to Asia to me! Only NWA nows if the route is feasable or not and since they are the ones that brought this up, don' t you think it has some sort of merit? Oh I forgot, everyone here is smarter than the suits.

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Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:30 am

MEM-NRT...not a chance in hell that this flight will happen. Wayyy too thin of a market, even with the connections. If DL's ATL-NRT only has 16% O/D traffic, imagine how low MEM would be. I would be VERY surprised if it was double digits. Of course there will be talk of MEM getting new intercon routes when the 787 arrives, but the truth is, NW can make better use of the plane...far better use...out of its DTW and MSP hubs. Wishful thinking i'm afraid. NW would never waste precious NRT slots on a very long, very thin nonstop to a medium sized regional hub.
 
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:47 am



Quoting Jano (Reply 5):
Considering that when I take the 11am TYS-DTW flight there are always plenty (varies from as few as 3 to 10+) of Japanese looking guys in "Denso" (or similar) shirts, who connect to NRT flights in DTW I think there are some business ties between Japan and South East USA

Anybody wearing a DENSO shirt would be conencting to the NGO flight. Denso and 8 other Toyota Group companies are all based in greater Nagoya.
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:50 am

Nashville is "suppose" to become the new home for the Japanese Consulate and I think this speaks volumes about the Japanese "effect" in the southeast in general. There is certainly a connection here without a doubt (especially in Nashville and Atlanta). But the ability to get there from here is really easy as it stands.
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:11 am

Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 11):
Of course there will be talk of MEM getting new intercon routes when the 787 arrives, but the truth is, NW can make better use of the plane...far better use...out of its DTW and MSP hubs.

I think NW could use the 787 on one or two new routes out of MEM. I mean, sure MEM isnt the super hub that DTW is, or MSP for that matter. What do you think about MEM-CDG or MEM-LGW?

I still would like to see MEM-NRT.

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Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:13 am



Quoting Aaron747 (Reply 12):
Anybody wearing a DENSO shirt would be conencting to the NGO flight. Denso and 8 other Toyota Group companies are all based in greater Nagoya.

Oops, I guess I did not know. I only noticed they these guys were always walking towards the gates where NWA's 747s were parked at DTW.
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:20 am

Memphis - America's Distribution Center?

Haha, that's a joke, right?
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RE: NWA Memphis To Japan Via 787?

Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:25 am



Quoting 777STL (Reply 16):
Memphis - America's Distribution Center?

Haha, that's a joke, right?

Well, they do have the world distribution center for FX and they do boast a VERY large amount of warehouse space within the metro. But a case could be made for any large city in America. It's like anything else claiming to be the "Biggest" or the "Best" in the world. It's totally subjective.
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RE: NWA Memphis To Japan Via 787?

Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:34 am



Quoting 777STL (Reply 16):
Memphis - America's Distribution Center?

Haha, that's a joke, right?

No joke. MEM has one of the largest freight, cargo origination/destination/transit facilities per volume centres is the US. It was in the top 5 in the US a few years ago and was in the top 20 in the world. One of the reason's why FX has it's HQ, and megahub there, and UPS and other competitiors operate out of there. Project Runway 2000 was a master plan by Shelby County in 1996, to open a 2nd parallel runway to accomodate an increase of heavy cargo aircraft by 30 percent, to be completed by Y2K. Distribution in MEM is no joke.

Anyway, MEM could have quite a good draw from Japan if they made the city safer and played up the casino attractions in nearby Tunica across the state line in MS. There is promise there from a NRT flight if they were to market the region to our Japanese customers. Until they invest in tourism, MEM would have little chance
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RE: NWA Memphis To Japan Via 787?

Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:38 am



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 3):
Asia tends to have much less tourist traffic, and it's a fact that there simply aren't many significant business ties between Asia and the Southeastern US.

Hrmm..Nissan, Toyota, Kia, Honda...any others?

Quoting Airguardtn (Reply 6):
The state of Tennessee feels that to continue to attract more Japanese investment a direct flight would be an incentive.



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 11):
NW would never waste precious NRT slots on a very long, very thin nonstop to a medium sized regional hub.

You can lump MEM-NRT into the same basket SLC-CDG came from. Both are on the thinner end fo the spectrum, but if DL can make the SLC-CDG (DL hub to Skyteam hub) flight work, then NWA deserves a shot with MEM-NRT (in which both airports are hubs for NW)
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RE: NWA Memphis To Japan Via 787?

Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:47 am

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 19):
You can lump MEM-NRT into the same basket SLC-CDG came from. Both are on the thinner end fo the spectrum, but if DL can make the SLC-CDG (DL hub to Skyteam hub) flight work, then NWA deserves a shot with MEM-NRT (in which both airports are hubs for NW)

Well, with SLC there's tourism, numerous connections to the west, and international recognition. MEM really hasn't got any of that on the same scale as SLC. The economics that brought that flight to SLC is different than those that would land a NRT flight in MEM. MEM as an O&D market is embarassing for a city it's size (blame it on price, blah, blah, blah MEM isn't CVG). NW has to recognize this in any decision they make about that hub. To me, O&D would be a big deal in deciding whether a flight from MEM to NRT would be feasible.

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[Edited 2007-11-22 18:48:01]
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:56 am



Quoting Carpethead (Reply 2):
NRT-HAN or SGN: new flight

I'd personally love to see this flight start, and I'd definitely be one of the first people on it if opened with a 787. However, under the current agreement between the US government and Vietnam, only one flag carrier from each country is allowed to operate a route to each respective country. Currently the US-served route is UA's HKG-SGN. Unless the US and Vietnamese government changes this, NW will not be able to gain entry to any Vietnam destination. The more likely 'new' route would be NRT-KUL, which NW used to serve some years ago.

Quoting Carpethead (Reply 2):
NRT-CAN: replacement of current 752 flight

Again, I'd personally love to see NRT-CAN upgraded to either 332 or 787, and it's very likely they will too.

Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 7):
DTW-India

Hmm....I haven't heard anything about that??? Would it be to BOM or DEL?? Also, would they discontinue the AMS-BOM flight if they began a nonstop??

Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 14):
MEM-CDG or MEM-LGW?

This was discussed briefly in another thread, when there were rumors flying regarding new TATL routes at NWA. The formally announced routes were PDX-AMS on an A332 and MSP-CDG on A333. Since NWA had no remaining 332's yet to be delivered, they took the A332 currently used on MEM-AMS, and "allocated" it to the new PDX-AMS route, while assigning an A333 to take over on MEM-AMS. With one remaining A333 to be delivered, NWA then started MSP-CDG. So, in the short run, it is probably unlikely NWA will not start another Europe route from MEM. For one, they just don't have any planes to do it. They currently have 4x unallocated TATL 757's, but the 757 lacks the range to make Europe from MEM.

Also, as was discussed in the other thread, MEM most likely does not have enough O&D to support a second Europe flight, especially after the AMS flight was upgraded to A333.
 
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:04 am

Considering cargo opportunities in MEM, wouldn't that help the flight? 787s are great for cargo capacity downstairs.
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:08 am



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 22):
Considering cargo opportunities in MEM, wouldn't that help the flight? 787s are great for cargo capacity downstairs.

FX already flies to Japan from MEM.
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:11 am



Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 19):
Kia

Kia is actually Korean.

I dont know much about MEM, but as a long thin route it would seem to be an ideal 787 route. Weither or not it is too thin, and NW could make better use of teh a/c in other markets is a decision only NW could make, especially in slot constrained NRT.

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Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:13 am



Quoting Lexy (Reply 20):
To me, O&D would be a big deal in deciding whether a flight from MEM to NRT would be feasible.

I would also think FedEx might have NWA beat in the cargo market.

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 21):
Unless the US and Vietnamese government changes this, NW will not be able to gain entry to any Vietnam destination.

Did NW fly to Vietnam before the war?

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 21):
Also, would they discontinue the AMS-BOM flight if they began a nonstop??

Why would they? I would see it as a second city served from BOM, and maybe easier connections to the West Coast/Mountain West US.
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RE: NWA Memphis To Japan Via 787?

Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:37 am



Quoting Lexy (Reply 9):



Quoting Lexy (Reply 9):
To think that an airport that is as outdated and crappy as MEM could serve as an Asian gateway is embarassing to the USA. I'm sorry, but that's the truth. With all due respect, Memphis is the LAST city I want people to see when they get off an airplane from another country. They need to fix that airport and bring it up to the 21st Century (which would lift it OUT of the 1960's) before adding flights to God knows where.

Lexy, that slur goes far beyond a rational analysis of whether the flight could work.


NWA apparently is seriously considering it. Btw--I'm sleepy from urbanplanet.
 
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:48 am



Quoting Blackearth (Reply 26):
Lexy, that slur goes far beyond a rational analysis of whether the flight could work.


NWA apparently is seriously considering it. Btw--I'm sleepy from urbanplanet.

Hey Sleepy. It' wasn't nothing personal, but let's be real here. It's my opinion and if it doesn't fit yours, that alone doesn't make it wrong or slanderess in any way.
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:54 am

NW would be better off doing a NRT-ATL flight and get conex pax on Delta flights.
 
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:58 am



Quoting Sean-SAN- (Reply 28):
NW would be better off doing a NRT-ATL flight and get conex pax on Delta flights.

Not to get off topic here, but how about NRT-CDG or NRT-MEX?
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:17 am



Quoting Lexy (Reply 27):
Hey Sleepy. It' wasn't nothing personal, but let's be real here. It's my opinion and if it doesn't fit yours, that alone doesn't make it wrong or slanderess in any way.

Disagreement alone doesn't make it a slur, but one can certainly disagree with a slur and that's what I did. Disagreement doesn't elevate a slur to some higher level of discourse.

You said nothing about the merits of the flight, just slammed Memphis.
 
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:22 am



Quoting Lexy (Reply 17):
Well, they do have the world distribution center for FX and they do boast a VERY large amount of warehouse space within the metro. But a case could be made for any large city in America. It's like anything else claiming to be the "Biggest" or the "Best" in the world. It's totally subjective.

I assumed it was in regards to pax since that sign appears to be in the pax terminal. So in terms of pax, I find that kind of laughable. I doubt MEM cracks the top 10 in terms of pax movements in the US.
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:24 am



Quoting Blackearth (Reply 30):
You said nothing about the merits of the flight, just slammed Memphis.

If you read on, I state my peace on the flights merits. Perhaps it would've been better if I put everything into one post so as not to lead one to think I was just "slamming" Memphis.

Now with that said, I don't like Memphis, its airport, or the idea of making it an international gateway for this state. But that's my opinion and a thought better placed in its own thread.
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:33 am



Quoting Sean-SAN- (Reply 28):
NW would be better off doing a NRT-ATL flight and get conex pax on Delta flights.

DL already flies it, and with O&D percentages on that route in the teens as quoted above, there would be little hope for a 2nd daily.

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 29):
but how about NRT-CDG or NRT-MEX?

NW doesn't infringe on codeshare partner routes at all.....at least to the greatest extent possible. NRT-CDG is already flown by AF, and NRT-MEX is already flown by Aeromexico (I don't know their ID). About the only route that would begin to encroach on a partner's turf would be JFK-NRT with respect to CO's EWR-NRT.

Back in the day, NW used to fly ORD-NRT with 742's. Does anyone think there is a possibility of this route coming back with a 787?? It would probably be difficult to get a foot in the door so to speak, with UA's 2x daily and AA's 1x daily. Who knows though....they are bringing back JFK-NRT after all.

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 25):
Did NW fly to Vietnam before the war?

I have a NW Orient route-map dated 1967, and the furthest "south" destination flown by NW is MNL.....no Vietnam.

Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 25):
Why would they? I would see it as a second city served from BOM, and maybe easier connections to the West Coast/Mountain West US.

Possibly, but they might find their 332 best used elsewhere if they have nonstop to India from DTW.

Also....with respect to past Asia routes, is there any possibility of NWA restarting service to...

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RE: NWA Memphis To Japan Via 787?

Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:30 am

Quoting Lexy (Reply 17):
But a case could be made for any large city in America. It's like anything else claiming to be the "Biggest" or the "Best" in the world. It's totally subjective.

In at least one very important aspect (and to add to Jetjack74's comments) Memphis' title as "America's Distribution Center" is not at all subjective. It's not passengers, granted, but still a very impressive statistic:

http://airshots.homestead.com/files/memphis_cargo_stats.jpg

[Edited 2007-11-22 21:31:10]
 
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RE: NWA Memphis To Japan Via 787?

Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:57 am



Quoting Flyf15 (Reply 1):
Aside from Elvis tourists, I can't see this route having any O&D traffic. Any connecting traffic could easily be filtered through MSP or DTW instead.

Nissan - TN and MS

Toyota - KY and AL

Sanmina - AL

Honda - AL

Isuzu - AL

Ogihara - AL

JVC - AL

Sony - AL

Toray - AL

I'm sure there are many more companies close to MEM that have Japanese connections, these are just the big ones that come to mind immediately. A lot of people prefer to avoid ATL. Assuming continued growth in the region(pretty safe bet), I can see this working.

Quoting SNCntry32 (Reply 10):
I think the Hyundai Santfe is bulit in HSV.

No, it's built in MGM, Sonata as well. The only auto related work in HSV is the Toyota truck engine plant.
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 6:27 am



Quoting Carpethead (Reply 2):
NRT-HAN or SGN: new flight

Not possible... the US-Vietnam bilateral allows a single designated carrier for each country, the US currently has United designated for the 747-400 LAX-HKG-SGN flight. Those 787s will be for more flights into NRT I am guessing, perhaps start the long rumored MSP-ICN or perhaps DTW-ICN instead, as well as non-stop Hong Kong service.

I see NRT-MEM service as relatively low on the list of priorities for NW's fleet of 787s... MEM is a harder route for even AMS service.
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 6:30 am



Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 36):
MEM is a harder route for even AMS service.

Is that why NWA upgraded from a 332 to a 333?
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RE: NWA Memphis To Japan Via 787?

Fri Nov 23, 2007 6:33 am



Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 35):
Nissan - TN and MS

Toyota - KY and AL

Sanmina - AL

Honda - AL

Isuzu - AL

Ogihara - AL

JVC - AL

Sony - AL

Toray - AL

I'm sure there are many more companies close to MEM that have Japanese connections, these are just the big ones that come to mind immediately. A lot of people prefer to avoid ATL. Assuming continued growth in the region(pretty safe bet), I can see this working.

What advantage would MEM offer to these cities that they don't already have through ATL, MSP, DTW, DFW, or IAH?
 
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RE: NWA Memphis To Japan Via 787?

Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:51 am



Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 37):
Is that why NWA upgraded from a 332 to a 333?

It's a seasonal upgrade. It's back to a 332 now.

Quoting RwSEA (Reply 38):
What advantage would MEM offer to these cities that they don't already have through ATL, MSP, DTW, DFW, or IAH?

None whatsoever.
 
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RE: NWA Memphis To Japan Via 787?

Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:05 pm



Quoting MSYtristar (Reply 39):
It's a seasonal upgrade. It's back to a 332 now.

Incorrect. It will permenantly become an A333 once PDX-AMS begins operation as an A332 in a few months. After PDX-AMS starts, NWA will have "full" utilization of their 11x A332's. 10x on routes on 1x as spare.

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 36):
Not possible... the US-Vietnam bilateral allows a single designated carrier for each country, the US currently has United designated for the 747-400 LAX-HKG-SGN flight.

reply 21...
 
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RE: NWA Memphis To Japan Via 787?

Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:07 pm



Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 37):
Is that why NWA upgraded from a 332 to a 333?

I think NW is mainly doing this, to free one 332 for the new PDX-AMS-PDX flight, as the 333 doesn't have the range for that route.

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RE: NWA Memphis To Japan Via 787?

Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:20 pm



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 40):
Incorrect.

Fair enough, but it is not a 333 now, that's sort of what I was getting at.
 
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RE: NWA Memphis To Japan Via 787?

Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:36 pm



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 33):


They didn't serve before the war, but they did serve all be it charter service from Tokyo in the 1990s.

Quote:
April 19 (1991) Northwest announces charter service to Ho Chi Minh City, Vietnam, making Northwest the first U.S. airline to fly into Vietnam since the Vietnam war.

NWA History at NWA.com

NWA joined the recent trade mission to Vietnam to help "encourage" the Vietnamese to change their stance not only for US carriers (NW) but for VN. This would especially address a problem with 5th freedoms to Vietnam from Japan.

MEM-NRT. Totally possible. It would complete the HUB to HUB routes. But then again, it would not make much of a difference in time or number of transits. If NW were to push more overflights or build up KIX or NGO and move some NRT to Asia flights to those two, then maybe you might see some other changes.

On NGO-DTW flights, there are lots of Toyota people going to the Tennessee plant or family of those that were relocated there.

Interesting side note. The First Japan-authorized high school in U.S. was in Tennessee. It closed in March after only 20 years. These are schools operated under Japanese education laws for Japanese Expats.

First Japan-authorized high school in U.S. closes after 20 years

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Tennessee Meiji Gakuin opened in Sweetwater, Tenn., in 1989 as the first high school authorized by the Japanese education ministry, and graduated about 680 students. At its peak in mid-1990s, the co-ed boarding school had about 200 students, mainly children of employees posted in the United States by Japanese companies.

Yes...I am not a KIX fan. Let's Japanese Aviation!
 
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RE: NWA Memphis To Japan Via 787?

Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:24 pm



Quoting Lexy (Reply 9):
To think that an airport that is as outdated and crappy as MEM could serve as an Asian gateway is embarassing to the USA. I'm sorry, but that's the truth. With all due respect, Memphis is the LAST city I want people to see when they get off an airplane from another country.

I was thinking the same thing. I'd call a any U.S. destination to NRT a high profile route. I don't think MEM is the first impression you want to make. There has to be a way to update those facilities. But thats a different thread lol.

Quoting 777STL (Reply 16):
Memphis - America's Distribution Center?

Haha, that's a joke, right?

It's not a joke. Besides having the largest air cargo operation with FX they also have/had the most square footage of bulk storage in the U.S. They've been #1 in that area for ages but are about to get passed up. But still having FX and either a #1 or #2 bulk storage ranking has to for now justify the title as America's Distribution Center.
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RE: NWA Memphis To Japan Via 787?

Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:42 pm



Quoting 777STL (Reply 16):
Memphis - America's Distribution Center?

Haha, that's a joke, right?

If you do not think it's true, then what city has that distinction?
 
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RE: NWA Memphis To Japan Via 787?

Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:06 pm



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 38):
Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 35):
Nissan - TN and MS

Toyota - KY and AL

Sanmina - AL

Honda - AL

Isuzu - AL

Ogihara - AL

JVC - AL

Sony - AL

Toray - AL

I'm sure there are many more companies close to MEM that have Japanese connections, these are just the big ones that come to mind immediately. A lot of people prefer to avoid ATL. Assuming continued growth in the region(pretty safe bet), I can see this working.

What advantage would MEM offer to these cities that they don't already have through ATL, MSP, DTW, DFW, or IAH?

I think you are overstating this a little bit. For starters, what size operationg does JVC have in AL? Their NA HQ are in New Jersey and their NA r&d is out in Socal, Sony NA is based in NYC. Honda Manufacturing NA is based up in Ohio, and the NA HQ is out in Socal. Toyota Manufacturing of NA is based on Kentucky. Simply having a plant in a state does not automatically mean that is is going to generate people coming from Asia. One of my good friendss works for Toyota and He along with others in his group, are the ones that do the visits to plants and they are based out of Northern NJ and they report to Tokyo, it's very rare for execs from Tokyo to visit the plants aside from Kentucky and the offices in NJ and SoCal. Also, I would not call Kentucky in the southeast either.
 
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RE: NWA Memphis To Japan Via 787?

Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:21 pm



Quoting WesternA318 (Reply 25):
Tokyo, it's very rare for execs from Tokyo to visit the plants aside from Kentucky and the offices in NJ and SoCal. Also, I would not call Kentucky in the southeast either.

I have numerous family members that work for Nissan and workers and execs from Japan are always visiting the plants in Tennessee, Mexico, and Mississippi. It's part of their jobs to help show people the "Nissan Way" and to visit the factories. Just like many of our people go to Japan to learn certain things from our Japanese friends. It's all part of being international. Hey, I work for Pearl Drums and we are a Japanese company based out of BNA and WE even generate a steady stream of traffic between Japan and BNA.

Plants generate demand, but not enough of it. Now, if I told you (and it's a fact) that Tennessee and Kentucky have the highest concentration of Japanese expats in the southeast, you would think I was joking. But i'm not.

I am from Kentucky originally (born and raised there and lived there for over 21 years) and it's CERTAINLY southeast. The state is a full of proof that it's a true southeastern state.
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RE: NWA Memphis To Japan Via 787?

Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:42 pm



Quoting RwSEA (Reply 38):
What advantage would MEM offer to these cities that they don't already have through ATL, MSP, DTW, DFW, or IAH?

Less chance of delays, possibly better connections, in some cases the ability to fly from the local airport rather than have to drive to a more distant one, There are a lot of people who really prefer to avoid ATL if at all possible and many cities in the South don't have service to all or even most of the airports you list; anumber have service only to MEM. Personally, I'd be inclined to use DFW but that's just me and I live in BHM where we have good connections to almost every hub in the East and several in the West, MIA being the glaring omission but not particularly relevant in this case.

Remember, they're not talking about starting this tomorrow, it's years in the future.

Quoting Indy (Reply 44):
It's not a joke. Besides having the largest air cargo operation with FX they also have/had the most square footage of bulk storage in the U.S. They've been #1 in that area for ages but are about to get passed up. But still having FX and either a #1 or #2 bulk storage ranking has to for now justify the title as America's Distribution Center.

It's also home to several very large trucking companies that are not related to Fedex as well as a major rail hub. It also has one of the largest inland ports in the US on the Mississippi River.
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RE: NWA Memphis To Japan Via 787?

Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:02 pm



Quoting BHMBAGLOCK (Reply 48):
Less chance of delays, possibly better connections,

Well you got us on the delays, but connections? Is there that many people flying out of Paducah, Ky or Gulfport, Mississippi that are going to NRT? Memphis has connections sure, but the majority are on 50-70 seat RJ's to places that the majority of AMERICANS have never heard of. MEM is a good domestic hub.
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