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Sad Endings Here At Marana

Thu Nov 22, 2007 2:29 pm

Such a great number of once proud sliver birds leaving here shredded and crushed, and the pace just grows by the day. As someone who was on the 747-100 one week after roll out, and who can still recall the absolute hysteria and wonderment that new Queen of the Sky's caused around the world, it just seems depressing that I see the bobcat over at the tear down area everyday busting this mighty machine up. Oh well, I read here about the breakneck phase of new aircraft coming out of Europe and here in the USA and I guess there has to be room made and this is progress! I salute these cold and now still marvels laying around the desert floor, who served us flawlessly for generations and united countless millions of loved ones decade after decade. The new generation of aircraft has quite a task to live up to, to mirror the service we got from these old timers.
 
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RE: Sad Endings Here At Marana

Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:23 pm

Whilst it is sad to see these machines, which took so much effort to build, being destroyed there is another way of looking at it.

The fact these these planes are being broken up means that they have successfully ended their careers doing what they were built to do. Much better to see an aircraft being destroyed at the end of it's service life than prematurely in an incident.
 
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RE: Sad Endings Here At Marana

Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:03 pm

But the really important issue is, can you get me inside Fortress Marana ? Pretty please.  cheeky 
 
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RE: Sad Endings Here At Marana

Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:49 am

Looks like one of those 747's being scrapped struck back. From the AZCentral web site on 11/22:

Associated Press
Nov. 22, 2007 01:13 PM
A man working on a Boeing 747 at an airstrip near Marana was critically hurt when the landing gear collapsed and he was trapped under the plane, authorities said.

The worker was part of a crew disassembling the retired passenger jet at Pinal Airpark Wednesday, Pinal County Sheriff's spokesman Mike Minter said.

For unknown reasons, the landing gear suddenly retracted and the plane fell, trapping Stanley Nye in the gear compartment, Minter said.

He was eventually freed and taken to a Tucson hospital, where he was in critical condition.
 
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RE: Sad Endings Here At Marana

Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:07 am

Hey! At least he can say a 747 has indeed landed on him. Gear first.!
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RE: Sad Endings Here At Marana

Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:14 am



Quoting SCUMBAG (Thread starter):
Queen of the Sky's caused around the world,

The A380 is the new queen of the sky now, there is no stopping progress.

I just drove by Marana today and I saw many 747's in the distance.

These machines served well, but at least they can be recycled.
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RE: Sad Endings Here At Marana

Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:31 am



Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 5):
The A380 is the new queen of the sky now, there is no stopping progress.

how many A380s are there flying and how many 747s? (hint there are a sh*t load more 747s so i wouldn't say that the A380 is queen of anything but size)
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RE: Sad Endings Here At Marana

Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:40 am



Quoting DeltaL1011man (Reply 6):
wouldn't say that the A380 is queen of anything but size)

it's a term for the aircraft, not the numbers of aircraft flying. The 747 is a fine aircraft
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RE: Sad Endings Here At Marana

Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:15 am



Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 7):

it's a term for the aircraft, not the numbers of aircraft flying. The 747 is a fine aircraft

Being the queen of the skies has alot more than just size going for it.
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RE: Sad Endings Here At Marana

Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:21 am



Quoting Dan2002 (Reply 8):
queen of the skies has alot more than just size going for it.

I agree 100%. Not looking to start a flame war..just my own personal opinion follows: The A380 is a remarkable machine on its' own however there will always be one queen of the skies, the Boeing 747.
 
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RE: Sad Endings Here At Marana

Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:25 am

I would say the Connie is the real queen of the Skies, it was a much more elegant looking aircraft, but to each his own.
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RE: Sad Endings Here At Marana

Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:44 am

Not long ago we were talking about the first flyable A320 that was scrapped, and likewise with the first 757. Since then, I'd like to know how many of each have been broken up, and what airline There's been quite a few of each already..

The Pro Air MD-90s that were built in the late 90s and flew for only about 2 years were being broken up the other day. Has this ever happened before where modern, and still pretty much "new" airliners have been broken up? My guess would be no.
 
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RE: Sad Endings Here At Marana

Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:03 am



Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 10):
I would say the Connie is the real queen of the Skies, it was a much more elegant looking aircraft, but to each his own.

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RE: Sad Endings Here At Marana

Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:38 pm



Quoting Visityyj (Reply 2):
But the really important issue is, can you get me inside Fortress Marana ? Pretty please.

I second that emotion....but i'm sure the answer is no....
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RE: Sad Endings Here At Marana

Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:15 pm

I was just looking at Marana on Google Earth and I noticed a bunch of very exotic-looking small planes with canards outside the apron, to the N/NE of where it says "Final Airpark" (at 32º30'48"N 111º19'20"W). Does anybody know what type of plane that is?
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RE: Sad Endings Here At Marana

Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:55 pm



Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 14):
I was just looking at Marana on Google Earth and I noticed a bunch of very exotic-looking small planes with canards outside the apron, to the N/NE of where it says "Final Airpark" (at 32º30'48"N 111º19'20"W). Does anybody know what type of plane that is?

The name escapes me , but I know they were bought back my the manufacturer due to cracks.
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RE: Sad Endings Here At Marana

Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:19 pm

They were the Beech Starship

If you see these aircraft being broken up every day could you possibly let us know which aircraft - scrapping dates even for 747s at Marana seem hard to come by. The best way to see these retired birds is to go to Tucson and hire a light aircraft and pilot, as I did in January. You can then fly in there and take photos.
 
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RE: Sad Endings Here At Marana

Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:27 pm

Those would be Beech 2000 Starships.


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RE: Sad Endings Here At Marana

Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:22 pm

Quoting United_Fan (Reply 15):
but I know they were bought back my the manufacturer due to cracks.

there were no cracks.

Raytheon failed to sell enough aircraft to break even so they bought them back because keeping spare parts and providing maintenance was too expensive.

Several operators refused the buyback and are still operating those aircraft today.

http://www.bobscherer.com/Pages/Star...%20it's%20fleet%20of%20Starships?


"Why is Raytheon scrapping it's fleet of Starships?

Raytheon's response:

"In regards to your Starship query, we are indeed decommissioning the fleet. We made the business decision that because of the low number of aircraft in service, and the specialized parts necessary to keep the aircraft flying, that it did not make sense from a business standpoint to continue to support the aircraft."

[Edited 2007-11-23 09:24:57]
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RE: Sad Endings Here At Marana

Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:44 pm

Want to get into MARANA..? fly in! anyone can do a flyover or touch and go.... it is a public taxpayer strip, they can not stop you from flying in or over the strip. ATC is busy with the army air guard choppers n the field, and federal law enforcement training going on in the old planes, but you can do a long slow touch and go, or like me.... live just outside the gate! as many planes are for sale you can go kick some tires with a broker and if you are a televangilest take up a 747 SP and buy it! (Rev Earnst Angely did
 
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RE: Sad Endings Here At Marana

Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:04 pm



Quoting Itsnotfinals (Reply 5):
The A380 is the new queen of the sky now, there is no stopping progress.

And some years down the road a whole new set of a.netters will report the first A380 being scrapped ... 'cause progress has overtaken that giant machine too.
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RE: Sad Endings Here At Marana

Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:08 pm



Quoting SCUMBAG (Reply 19):
Want to get into MARANA..? fly in! anyone can do a flyover or touch and go

Yeah done that, but it's not the same as wandering around like when Schnozz Meyer was alive (GRHS). There was also an airshow one year (1990?) but then the 'iron curtain' came down.  brokenheart 
 
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RE: Sad Endings Here At Marana

Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:08 pm

I want to bring my cameras into Marana or Victorville or Mojave one warm summer night and do a bunch of night photography out there. Anybody know where I can get hooked up with that?
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RE: Sad Endings Here At Marana

Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:10 pm



Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 20):
And some years down the road a whole new set of a.netters will report the first A380 being scrapped ... 'cause progress has overtaken that giant machine too.

yep, that's the way it goes. maybe the 797 ?  Smile
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RE: Sad Endings Here At Marana

Sun Nov 25, 2007 12:53 am

Indeed, go to youtube and get the videos of the 747 teardown, or the nose ride in the 747.... just keep looking for airplane graveyard until you find the guy who took a golf cart and romped all ovr the field, and rode in the nose wheel of a 747 with his video cam while it was being taxied across the field.... HE has the ability to get you in, and his youtube name is camper or Kamper something. he works for evergreen. Good luck!
 
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RE: Sad Endings Here At Marana

Sun Nov 25, 2007 1:01 am



Quoting Visityyj (Reply 2):
But the really important issue is, can you get me inside Fortress Marana ? Pretty please.

If you read reply #3, you'll see why it is closed to the public for this very reason.
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