britannia25
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Emirates And Continental In The UK

Thu Nov 22, 2007 3:53 pm

Hi

Apologies if this has been discussed here before but I was wondering about Continental and Emirates flights out of the UK (mainland) to Newark and Dubai. I think Emirates flies from Heathrow, Gatwick, Birmingham, Newcastle and Glasgow to Dubai with multiple weekly flights using large wide bodies planes - A332, B773 etc...! As a note I flew from GLA - Dubai on the 77W recently (and loved it). Anyway, back to the point, Continental also flies from Gatwick, Birmingham, Manchester, Bristol, Glasgow and Edinburgh again with multiple weekly flights. My question is why does CO not use large planes - 764, 762? I know that they probably use these for better and longer routes but if EK can fill its planes why couldn't CO? I see them as kind of having similar operations from the UK to their respective hubs. I'm not against 757s or anything, i'm just curious?

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ScottishLaddie
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RE: Emirates And Continental In The UK

Thu Nov 22, 2007 4:07 pm



Quoting Britannia25 (Thread starter):
My question is why does CO not use large planes - 764, 762? I know that they probably use these for better and longer routes but if EK can fill its planes why couldn't CO? I see them as kind of having similar operations from the UK to their respective hubs. I'm not against 757s or anything, i'm just curious?

EK has a huge fleet that consists entirely of widebodies so of course any airport with EK service is going to be served by an widebody aircraft. CO on the otherhand has a limited number of widebodies so they have to be used where they are most required, since the UK is within the B752's range that isn't here. There are routes in the UK such as EDI and MAN that I'm sure would see B767 service if CO were able to spare them, unfortunately they can't which is why we see 2x daily B752s as an alternative.
 
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RE: Emirates And Continental In The UK

Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:42 pm

As Scottishladdie mentioned CO have a limited widebody fleet which can be better utilised on their busier markets. In all fairness to CO BHX used to see DC10 service (in the good old days) which was always nice to see especially when they were going out heavy (which was most days). We used to see double daily 757's in here which whilst it was nice to have it did not help out too much if you had a large pallet of cargo to get away.

Whilst CO and EK are going to major league hubs EK offer so many different alternative destinations it makes sense for them to throw their big guns into BHX. Whilst we will not see A380's in here there is still enough business to allow for B773 and A332 on a daily basis. When the going gets really busy we have in the past seen two x B773's on the same day.

We have in all fairness to CO seen B762 and B764 (rarely) into BHX but to be quite honest so long as we keep the flight here I will be happy. It was a sad day when the BA and AA services from BHX to the USA finished but so long as we keep one link to the USA it helps keep BHX up and running. I say this from a professional point of view using both services for cargo availability.
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RE: Emirates And Continental In The UK

Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:26 pm



Quoting Britannia25 (Thread starter):
My question is why does CO not use large planes - 764, 762?

Why should they? The two carriers may serve the same UK cities but I'm not sure you can compare the two carriers like-for-like. The US market is very different to the DXB market, and likewise, the CO operation is very different to the EK operation...
 
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RE: Emirates And Continental In The UK

Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:31 am

Beleive their 762 carries just about the same number of pax as a 757, except in different configuation i.e. more business class.
 
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RE: Emirates And Continental In The UK

Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:41 am



Quoting David_itl (Reply 4):
Beleive their 762 carries just about the same number of pax as a 757, except in different configuation i.e. more business class.

CO's 757-200s have one more seat (16 J ,159 Y, total 175) than their 767-200s (25 J, 149 Y, total 174).
 
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RE: Emirates And Continental In The UK

Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:47 am

As is rightly pointed out the actual Y seats on a 75 is more than a 76 and, as we all know, nobody north of Watford likes to pay for C/F... It is a real problem with CO from BHX as we cannot get seats at a good farer. The alternative I use is BRS as CO is always selling lower priced seats on this route. In fact for 2008 I have had to book clients from BRS for Aug as all the lower costed seats from BHX were closed or full. This is not doing CO any favours in the long run as clients will not even try for BHX flights.
 
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RE: Emirates And Continental In The UK

Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:29 am



Quoting DC10BHX (Reply 2):
As Scottishladdie mentioned CO have a limited widebody fleet which can be better utilised on their busier markets

its not so much to do with the busier markets, but more to do with range. As ScottishLaddie mentioned - the UK is perfectly within reach of a 757, whereas the rest of Europe is pushing the range of the aircraft a bit. As such they save the widebodies for these markets, as they have longer range and can operate without the risk of fuel stops.

Im sure there are plenty of markets in the UK that could easily support 764/777 service, but due to shortages of these aircraft they would rather stick to 757s on the route and save the widebodies for longer range service.
 
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RE: Emirates And Continental In The UK

Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:54 am



Quoting Britannia25 (Thread starter):
I think Emirates flies from Heathrow, Gatwick, Birmingham, Newcastle and Glasgow to Dubai

You missed out MAN.

From MAN, EK has two daily flights to Dubai with the 777-300ER (although I've seen a standard 777-300 turn up once or twice). CO also has two daily flights to EWR from MAN on the 757-200.

It's also worth noting that CO used to send the DC-10 to MAN, then the 777-200 before switching to 2x757-200s.
 
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RE: Emirates And Continental In The UK

Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:36 pm

Most of the airports mentioned have both CO and EK, but for instance BRS's runway is too short for anything bigger than a 767. What will happen when EK want to link to this part of the world? CWL? EXT? BOH?
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RE: Emirates And Continental In The UK

Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:10 pm



Quoting Boeing74741R (Reply 8):
It's also worth noting that CO used to send the DC-10 to MAN, then the 777-200 before switching to 2x757-200s.

And the 764!
 
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RE: Emirates And Continental In The UK

Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:16 pm



Quoting Nighthawk (Reply 7):
Im sure there are plenty of markets in the UK that could easily support 764/777 service

MAN and London only. Others are 757/762 markets at best.
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RE: Emirates And Continental In The UK

Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:39 pm



Quoting EXTspotter (Reply 9):
Most of the airports mentioned have both CO and EK, but for instance BRS's runway is too short for anything bigger than a 767. What will happen when EK want to link to this part of the world?

They can always send an A330-200 down your neck of the woods, that's about as close as EK has to a 767 (and far superior).