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Airbus Wants To Do A 380's Winter Tests In Norway

Thu Nov 22, 2007 5:50 pm

Airbus has asked Oslo Gardermoen Airport in Oslo, Norway to land the A 380 in Norway to test it's winter capabilities.

The airport needs special approval from the aviation authorities in Norway and also to make certain practical arrangments for the big plane ( Don't ask me why, the airport have no problems handling 747's and Antonovs...... )

So far, no desicion has been made.

I guess this would be the only time we would see the A 380 in Norway.....EVER..


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RE: Airbus Wants To Do A 380's Winter Tests In Norway

Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:03 pm

But why a winter test in Norway and now???

Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
guess this would be the only time we would see the A 380 in Norway.....EVER..

Then dont miss this great opportunity to see the A380 in OSL.
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:23 pm

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Shouldn't all testing have been completed before the aircraft entered commercial service?
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RE: Airbus Wants To Do A 380's Winter Tests In Nor

Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:25 pm

They already did cold weather testing a while ago. This must be for the production series aircraft, the early A380's had the wiring issues etc etc.
 
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RE: Airbus Wants To Do A 380's Winter Tests In Norway

Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:27 pm



Quoting B747forever (Reply 1):
But why a winter test in Norway and now???

Why not? It's already 25 Fahrenheit up here. And by December we can have below -5 Fahrenheit.  cold 
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RE: Airbus Wants To Do A 380's Winter Tests In Norway

Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:27 pm



Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 2):
Shouldn't all testing have been completed before the aircraft entered commercial service?

Just because you enter a new A/C into commercial service doesn't mean you stop looking for improvements!!! Just like a car. When you replace a part you often need the ch assy number as parts are updated and improved as time goes on .

Hope that they get approval so you guys in Norway can see the A380 . Looking forward to some icy pics
 
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RE: Airbus Wants To Do A 380's Winter Tests In Norway

Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:28 pm



Quoting B747forever (Reply 1):
But why a winter test in Norway and now???



Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 2):
Shouldn't all testing have been completed before the aircraft entered commercial service?

Its not certification testing, its all about Airbus getting the experience they need to be able to advise their customers.

The aircraft itself has already passed the certification requirements for cold weather.
 
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RE: Airbus Wants To Do A 380's Winter Tests In Norway

Thu Nov 22, 2007 6:50 pm



Quoting KFLLCFII (Reply 2):
Shouldn't all testing have been completed before the aircraft entered commercial service?

From another thread:

http://news.therecord.com/Business/article/268867

"The A380, which leaves Montreal for Florida later today, first landed in Canada in February 2006 when it spent time in Iqaluit for cold-weather testing."

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RE: Airbus Wants To Do A 380's Winter Tests In Norway

Thu Nov 22, 2007 7:10 pm

I find Oslo is a beautiful airport. I am sure the crew will enjoy landing and spending time there and I am sure the locals will be happy to see the Big plane. I hope they will get the approval.  Smile
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RE: Airbus Wants To Do A 380's Winter Tests In Norway

Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:13 pm

http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i136/polar_man/a3802.jpg
I guess the rising Canadian dollar was going cause some problems. I think YFB is still a reasonable choice for cold weather testing. Weather here today -18ºC 0ºF and falling to -27ºC tonight.  cold 
 
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RE: Airbus Wants To Do A 380's Winter Tests In Norway

Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:30 pm



Quoting Yfbflyer (Reply 9):
Weather here today -18ºC 0ºF and falling to -27ºC tonight

OMG I cant imagine such temperatures . I would be dead  Wow!
 
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RE: Airbus Wants To Do A 380's Winter Tests In Norway

Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:36 pm

I still don't undertand why the airport needs exstra special approval. If there were passengers onboard, yes, - but when it's just a couple oflandings and take offs, I don't see what the big problem is.... The runways are 3600 meters and 2950 meters. Should be long enough.....
 
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RE: Airbus Wants To Do A 380's Winter Tests In Norway

Thu Nov 22, 2007 8:40 pm



Quoting Yfbflyer (Reply 9):
I guess the rising Canadian dollar was going cause some problems.

Ha, Norway is probably one of the most expensive countries in the world, so I don't think the cost is an issue... And I don't think the Canadian dollar has risen that much against Euro. Probably against dollar, yes, but then again, so has euro.

Maybe Oslo is just conveniently close to Toulouse and after all, it is a reasonably sized airport serving quite a lot of passengers every day. Although the conditions might not be as arctic as in YVB, it gets still rather cold in the winter (-20C easily).
 
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Thu Nov 22, 2007 9:33 pm



Quoting OA260 (Reply 10):
OMG I cant imagine such temperatures . I would be dead

It was -35C when I took that picture. I had to keep the camera batteries in my pocket so they would operate the camera. I spent a good half hour outside that day taking shots.

YFB is a very expensive place to operate a testing crew in terms of accommodation and food. Some members of the team were pretty unhappy about the liquor restrictions here as well. I think their biggest problem is that they were looking for -40 weather. It didn't quite make it that low the first year and the second year they missed it by about a week.
 
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RE: Airbus Wants To Do A 380's Winter Tests In Norway

Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:35 pm



Quoting Mortyman (Reply 11):
I still don't undertand why the airport needs exstra special approval.

If I wanted to be nasty, I would say that they are asking Boeing for permission...
But, Mortyman, you know how over-careful are the Norwegian authorities.
And if you add security to safety, it may be an unsolvable question. And basically, Norway does not care about the A380.
 
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RE: Airbus Wants To Do A 380's Winter Tests In Norway

Thu Nov 22, 2007 10:39 pm



Quoting Mortyman (Thread starter):
I guess this would be the only time we would see the A 380 in Norway.....EVER..

Never say never. OSL is for sure a good alternate for EK if they dispatch them to the US.

I would even travel to OSL just to see him and after that straight to Mom in TOS Big grin
 
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RE: Airbus Wants To Do A 380's Winter Tests In Norway

Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:11 pm



Quoting OA260 (Reply 10):
OMG I cant imagine such temperatures . I would be dead

I think you'd be surprised. Many Aussies and Brits say the same thing, then they come here, skiing perfectly happily in the same temps.

Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 12):
Although the conditions might not be as arctic as in YVB, it gets still rather cold in the winter (-20C easily).

That's true pretty much anywhere in Canada except for the Pacific coast. But my feeling is that plane & car manufacturers aren't looking for -20C; they're after the -35 to -40C temps.
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RE: Airbus Wants To Do A 380's Winter Tests In Norway

Thu Nov 22, 2007 11:58 pm



Quoting Breiz (Reply 14):
If I wanted to be nasty, I would say that they are asking Boeing for permission...
But, Mortyman, you know how over-careful are the Norwegian authorities.
And if you add security to safety, it may be an unsolvable question. And basically, Norway does not care about the A380.

Why would we ask Boeing or permission ?

Why don't we care about the 380 ?

Can't say that I understand where you are heading with this.....
 
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RE: Airbus Wants To Do A 380's Winter Tests In Norway

Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:11 pm



Quoting OA260 (Reply 10):
OMG I cant imagine such temperatures . I would be dead

You will seldom see such temperatures in Oslo.
Hmm .. maybe at GEN, but ... I wouldn't count on it.
To be sure for such temperatures you need to go much further north and I dont know what airports in Norway, except from GEN, that can handle the A380.
But geez .. if the A380 will come to GEN I certainly wouldn't mind some gangrene to experience it.
 
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:39 pm



Quoting Mortyman (Reply 17):
Why would we ask Boeing or permission ?

Why don't we care about the 380 ?

Can't say that I understand where you are heading with this.....

First I should say that I live in Norway, Stavanger to be precise.
My experience with the Norwegian aeronautic circles and the media, is that they are very much American orientated. If it's American, it's good, if it's European, it's crap.
We have numerous examples with old and new fighters, rescue helicopters, airlines fleet renewal,...
So my comment was kind of satirical. "Airbus wants to OSL, let ask Boeing first". Not true of course, just a figure of speech.
When the B787 was presented in the Norwegian media, full pages were used by journalists invited by Boeing. News about the A380 rarely reach above a small picture and a few lines.
But all this is based on history (emigration, Little Norway, NATO,...you name it) and must be accepted.
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RE: Airbus Wants To Do A 380's Winter Tests In Norway

Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:08 pm

Why not, Oslo could be a nice route in the future, for airlines like Thai Airways, surely Oslo-Bangkok could be possible?
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:18 pm



Quoting Chiad (Reply 18):
You will seldom see such temperatures in Oslo.
Hmm .. maybe at GEN, but ... I wouldn't count on it.
To be sure for such temperatures you need to go much further north and I dont know what airports in Norway, except from GEN, that can handle the A380.

It's not due to the temperatures the 380 maybe will come to OSL, but due to the freezing fog that often occurs at OSL during the winter.
 
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:06 pm



Quoting Alessandro (Reply 20):
Why not, Oslo could be a nice route in the future, for airlines like Thai Airways, surely Oslo-Bangkok could be possible?

But the 380 will be to large i think. i think the 787 or 350 is more realistic.
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RE: Airbus Wants To Do A 380's Winter Tests In Norway

Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:16 pm

DYflyer, I don´t think so, people around the Gothenburg/Oslo area are crazy about their Thailand. I know one Swede who flew to Thailand on a B744 with +600 passengers onboard from Stockholm, so during peak season it´s possible, Gardemoen would have to refine one terminal but it´s possible.

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Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:28 pm



Quoting Alessandro (Reply 23):
. I know one Swede who flew to Thailand on a B744 with +600 passengers onboard from Stockholm,

Can we see TG sending A380s to ARN???
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RE: Airbus Wants To Do A 380's Winter Tests In Norway

Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:30 pm



Quoting Chiad (Reply 18):
To be sure for such temperatures you need to go much further north and I dont know what airports in Norway, except from GEN, that can handle the A380.

What about extending the runway at LYR? Big grin I was there last year, and while I was there they were extending the runway and building a new terminal.. I guess they could extend it even further!
 
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RE: Airbus Wants To Do A 380's Winter Tests In Norway

Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:03 pm

Sure, it´s not impossible, B7474ver. During peak season around Xmas and New Year they surely can fill up a few of A380ies.
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:04 pm



Quoting Alessandro (Reply 26):
Sure, it´s not impossible, B7474ver. During peak season around Xmas and New Year they surely can fill up a few of A380ies.

Wow, can just imagine a TG A380 in ARN.
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RE: Airbus Wants To Do A 380's Winter Tests In Norway

Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:11 pm

They should have tested the plane in BRW, but I doubt the runway could support it, probably would ruin the pavement and return the runway to its original gravel state.  How about SCC? it sure is very cold and dark all day in the winter time. They should try that place, so perhaps Alaska can buy them as Oil Tankers  Smile

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RE: Airbus Wants To Do A 380's Winter Tests In Norway

Fri Nov 23, 2007 3:21 pm

Luleå-Kallax got the longest landing strip in Sweden, 3350meters so if Oslo says no, I think they gladly offer themselves as hosts?
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:34 pm



Quoting Alessandro (Reply 29):
Lule�-Kallax got the longest landing strip in Sweden, 3350meters so if Oslo says no, I think they gladly offer themselves as hosts?

But do they have freezing fog?  cold 
 
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:37 pm

Yes, located by the Baltic sea, link in Swedish about Luleå, http://www.coop.se/includefiles/MODU...=181&sSideNavn=Vistip&nyhedid=5585
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:42 pm



Quoting Someone83 (Reply 30):
But do they have freezing fog?

Today it was -5C
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:12 pm



Quoting AirPacific747 (Reply 25):
What about extending the runway at LYR? I was there last year, and while I was there they were extending the runway and building a new terminal.. I guess they could extend it even further!

Or at this time of the year, just fit skis and land on the ice  Wink
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RE: Airbus Wants To Do A 380's Winter Tests In Norway

Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:28 pm



Quoting PlymSpotter (Reply 33):
Or at this time of the year, just fit skis and land on the ice

Haha true!  Smile
 
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Sat Nov 24, 2007 5:53 pm



Quoting Alessandro (Reply 23):
Gardemoen would have to refine one terminal but it�s possible

Maybe they should plan a couple of "A380-gates" on T2  Silly I guess it would be possible to fill a 380 on a few flights. I think frequency is better, and we would be happy enough with a 787 / 350 route.
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RE: Airbus Wants To Do A 380's Winter Tests In Norway

Sun Nov 25, 2007 4:40 am

Come on - the A380 to serve OSL? It is just not going to happen.

It is not even economically viable to serve OSL with old 767s to intercontinental destinations. OSL is always going to be a feeder airport for places CPH and ARN. Period.
 
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RE: Airbus Wants To Do A 380's Winter Tests In Norway

Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:00 am

AY fills two MD-11s a day for the HEL-BKK leg, so I cannot see, why some carrier couldn't fill one A380 for an OSL-BKK trip?
 
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Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:53 am



Quoting FlyingAY (Reply 37):
AY fills two MD-11s a day for the HEL-BKK leg, so I cannot see, why some carrier couldn't fill one A380 for an OSL-BKK trip?

So why isn't it happening? If the demand was there, I am sure airliners would capitalize on it.

The fact of the matter is that OSL has always been under-served with intercontinental destinations. Because of this, Norwegian intercontinental travellers are spread all over Europe (AMS, CPH, FRA, LHR, CDG) in order to get anywhere. And SK is losing out on this - big time!