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LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:44 am

Last week a couple on board a US Airways flight (#1473) from SEA-LAS attempted to join the "Mile High Club." Apparently they got things started in their seat, and then moved the "action" in to the lav. The flight attendants then told them they had to return to their seats, and quit their behavior. An argument erupted and the flight was diverted to PDX.(http://flightaware.com/live/flight/USA1473/history/20071115/2323Z/KSEA/KLAS)

The couple was forced off, and the flight resumed to LAS. However, a few other PAX were angered, and thought that US Airways over reacted.

Original Story: http://www.kptv.com/news/14610558/detail.html

A-nutters, did US overreact? Should the flight attendants should have just left the couple alone? Or were they right in kicking them off at PDX, regardless of the ire of other PAX? What's your opinion?

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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:52 am

Complete overreaction IMO.

They should have just let them get on with it then warn them about their behaviour afterwards.
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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:52 am



Quoting HowSwedeitis (Thread starter):
However, a few other PAX were angered, and thought that US Airways over reacted.

I didn't see this in the written or video news report cited.
 
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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:59 am



Quoting DL Widget Head (Reply 2):
I didn't see this in the written or video news report cited.

I originally heard this story on a news radio program. Maybe they asked people on their own? I googled the story, and this local came up. I believe there are probably other news stories with the part about other PAX being angered.

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Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:09 am



Quoting HowSwedeitis (Thread starter):
Or were they right in kicking them off at PDX, regardless of the ire of other PAX?

I think it depends on how disruptive they were being. If it was getting out of hand, then yes....land and off they go. I wonder if they hadn't started in the seat (making it obvious) and then not returning to their seat (was the seatbelt sign on?) or a long line was forming for the bathroom, or something similar, I can see them landing.

Remember, the airplane lav is considered a public place, so arrest is a possibility.

If it were at night, no one being bothered, no danger, etc etc etc I'd be more likely to say over reaction.

But with the little information, if in doubt trust the capt's judgement. I can't see him wasting the time and gas for nothing....it wouldn't make sense and cost too much money. It isn't in the article, but I'd be surprised if the FAs didn't try and get them to come out more than once and possible the FO as well. No?

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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:11 am

It's sinful, It's carnal, it goes against God's wishes, it shows no willpower, it's lust at its most vulgar, those two should be barred from ever flying again

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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:48 am



Quoting AR385 (Reply 5):
It's sinful, It's carnal, it goes against God's wishes, it shows no willpower, it's lust at its most vulgar, those two should be barred from ever flying again

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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 12:25 pm

There is not enough information to judge the issue on either side. If anything, I hope they had a quickie in PDX before boarding another flight.  Wink
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:13 pm



Quoting HowSwedeitis (Thread starter):
A-nutters, did US overreact? Should the flight attendants should have just left the couple alone? Or were they right in kicking them off at PDX, regardless of the ire of other PAX? What's your opinion?

The question as to whether the airline over-reacted is a completely moot one--it's the airline's flight, and the airline's (and FAA's) rules for everyone on the aircraft--and nobody else gets a "vote" on the issue.

If the romantic couple wants to get it on, more power to them, but their ticket price paid doesn't "entitle" them to offend any of the 100+ others on the flight, who also paid for their tickets.
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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:19 pm



Quoting AR385 (Reply 5):
It's sinful, It's carnal, it goes against God's wishes, it shows no willpower, it's lust at its most vulgar, those two should be barred from ever flying again

Issue has nothing to do with religion or god. Assuming this is all the couple did, that crew appears to have over-reacted big time. Jeez.
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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:22 pm

Um, Mic - did you notice what appeared UNDER the statement?

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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:31 pm

Oh big deal, a lil bit of mile-high action! Doesnt do anybody any harm if its in the lav! No, getting caught cannot be forgiven!
 
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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:11 pm

I'll bet they were drunk and got beligerant ....
 
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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:14 pm

Jeez, it would have been over in like a minute right? Let them go at it and be done with it! lol
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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:15 pm

Without knowing the details, my first reaction is to let the flight continue, but have the police waiting for them at LAS.

That way, everyone else's trip isn't screwed up. I'd also consider blacklisting them.
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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 2:23 pm

Think that US overreacted. Why all this problem, when they could let the couple finish what they started??
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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 4:24 pm

Why Is US Always Rated The Worst? (by USAirALB Nov 21 2007 in Civil Aviation)

Well, if it's really true about the lavatories at US, then that must be a kind of warning system for 'club members'.
"Don't enter the lavatory for that purpose or we (crew or toilet) will hit back!"  Wink
 
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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:16 pm



Quoting AR385 (Reply 5):
It's sinful, It's carnal, it goes against God's wishes, it shows no willpower, it's lust at its most vulgar, those two should be barred from ever flying again

I agree here but it seems that everyone thinks sex is as normal and should be as open as eating dinner.
People these days give themselves more privacy when picking their noses or pulling a wedgie out of their ass than they do about sex....

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
The question as to whether the airline over-reacted is a completely moot one--it's the airline's flight, and the airline's (and FAA's) rules for everyone on the aircraft--and nobody else gets a "vote" on the issue.

If the romantic couple wants to get it on, more power to them, but their ticket price paid doesn't "entitle" them to offend any of the 100+ others on the flight, who also paid for their tickets.

I dont think USAirways should have dirverted the flight to PDX but what they should have done, was to arrest the couple once they landed in in LAS......Not only did they create a disruption to other passengers, they also created a situation of diverting all the attention of the F/As from other suties and passengrs...

In addition, who the heck would want to use the LAV with sex sloppin's left behind???EWWWWW!!!! If they were that blatant about "doing-it" in the john, I seriously doubt that they would have taken the time to clean up afterward....

People have no shame anymore, but It was up to the crew so they did what they thought most appropriate..

I can relate as flying back home My Airline's Cessna 402 from ORD-SQI, we had a couple that was way too drunk and frisky to fly and midway thru the flight the lady decides to go ahead and move to sit face to face on her husband or boyfreind's lap, giivng him a lap dance!!!!!!...And in addition they decided to light up a cigarette....This is not a good thin to try to do in a CG senstive aircraft like a Cessna 402B!!!!!!!
Because our Captain who was also our Directior of Operations at that time was "fond of the drink" and also a smoker, he didnt do what he should have done....Had the Police arrest them for lewd behaviour and smoking when it was illegal...He claimed that it would have hburt the airline's reputation to have them arrested for breaking an FAA regulation....If I had been in charge they would have been sitting their asses in a jail and been paying a fine!!!!!!!!!!

I am glad that USAirways did this as it will send a message to other potential sex-aholics and that is:
"Don't F**ck Around on USAirways!!!! Pardon the censored profanity.....

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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:26 pm

I assume that the couple will be charged for diversion costs! This was the case recentley of a British couple who on their honeymoon, diverted a jumbo to Bermuda from the U.K. enroute to the US for the same thing...(Related story was here on A.net) That will be the most expensive romance those two will have for a while!

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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:37 pm



Quoting Crownvic (Reply 18):
Anyone care to guess how much??

I'm guessing more than the hotel cost?

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Fri Nov 23, 2007 5:52 pm

This is a little more extreme than the "skirt too short too fly" issue which happened recently. I think if the people were stupid enough to get caught, more power to the flight crew for responding in a way they deemed fit. There are discreet and non-discreet ways of going about the "mile high club", but even still, doing it in an airplane lavatory is not exactly the cleanest or most private place in the world to get it on. I too agree that diverting the flight was probably excessive, and that arresting them upon landing at the original destination would be the way to go.

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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 6:15 pm

my friend was working the flt . he was lead. he told me that they got really nasty when told to get ouit of the lavotory. it got pretty bad so they had to call the authorities.
 
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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 6:35 pm

"Mile High Club." Hmm. Does this club have any privledges? Is like the now defunct "Players Club Card"? Did Telly Savalis do any commercials for the club before he kicked off? As for myself, when I look in the mirror in the aircraft toilet I can't believe how bad I look. I can't imagine getting all down and nasty infront of that death lighting. If I was going to join the club it would be in the SQ first class cabins. US overreacted.
 
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 6:37 pm

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
their ticket price paid doesn't "entitle" them to offend any of the 100+ others on the flight, who also paid for their tickets.

Who stated that any passengers were offended? Maybe some were, maybe not. The point is, you don't know.

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 8):
(and FAA's) rules for everyone on the aircraft

What is the specific FAA rule regarding sex on a commercial aircraft? Or barring more than one person at a time occupying the lav?

Quoting BWI757 (Reply 10):
OPNLguy is spot-on as usual

I disagree. See below why I think not.

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 17):
Not only did they create a disruption to other passengers,

Did they? Who says? Are we leaping to conclusions here?

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 17):
In addition, who the heck would want to use the LAV with sex sloppin's left behind?

Considering the state of any airplane lav halfway through a given flight, that would rate among the least of my concerns.

Quoting Access-Air (Reply 17):
I am glad that USAirways did this as it will send a message to other potential sex-aholics

OK, here's what most of you are ignoring. The fact the couple was allegedly having sex is incidental to the story. The way the article puts it, they were asked to cease by the crew (fair enough) and they became hostile and "threatened the flight attendant". We can take the media story with a grain of salt, but I would suspect it is much more likely the couple are in hot water due to their reported attitude and threats rather than the fact they were having a shag.

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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 6:39 pm

Well, the Captain made the final decision to divert. . If the Captain thought it was appropriate, then that's his decision. The article didn't give enough info as to how bad the argument was in the cabin. But it must have been pretty loud to order a diversion. It looks like they came back quite some distance to get to PDX.

Sex in the cans? I'm willing to bet that these are the kind of people who go into the can with no shoes on too.
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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 6:40 pm



Quoting Micstatic (Reply 9):
Assuming this is all the couple did, that crew appears to have over-reacted big time. Jeez.

As was mentioned repeatedly, an aircraft is a public place, so in essence, the couple was participating in lewd of disorderly conduct which, in the presence of law enforcement, would earn them a misdemeanor.

From a hygiene perspective, it's just gross. As anyone that's ever been on an aircraft can attest, a lav is basically a public bathroom used by dozens, if not hundreds of people in a single day. They're probably exposing themselves to more germs than if it were the other way around although personally, I would feel disgusting sitting in someone else's "puddle", whether it be in the lav, or in their seats (later to be someone else's seats).

Why people get off on this (literally) is beyond me. If I were on this flight, I'd have been pissed if for no other reason than they f'd up my flight.


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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 6:54 pm



Quoting Threepoint (Reply 23):
OK, here's what most of you are ignoring. The fact the couple was allegedly having sex is incidental to the story. The way the article puts it, they were asked to cease by the crew (fair enough) and they became hostile and "threatened the flight attendant".

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Nobody is going to divert a flight because a couple are having sex in the lavatory. Passengers threatening a crew member certainly would justify a diversion.
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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 6:57 pm



Quoting Davescj (Reply 4):
Remember, the airplane lav is considered a public place, so arrest is a possibility.

So can I get arrested for urinating in public if I use it. Now that presents a catch-22 situation now doesn't it?

Quoting RP TPA (Reply 6):
Before I noticed AR385 was from Mexico, I thought he might have been one of the Republican candidates for President of the USA.

Hey now. There are plenty of us Republicans who would have no problem with this  Wink
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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:01 pm

I'm having sex as I read this thread.
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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:01 pm

Can the airline recover all the costs involved with the diversion from the subjects that caused the diversion?
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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:06 pm

I say this couple start getting it on on the ground. It is not that long of a flight from SEA to PDX. As far as did the flight crew did the right thing. There is not enough information to make this judgement call.

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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:08 pm

Didn't we cover this last week when it happened....???
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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:15 pm



Quoting SuseJ772 (Reply 27):
So can I get arrested for urinating in public if I use it. Now that presents a catch-22 situation now doesn't it?

No Catch-22, you can be arrested for urinating in public, though I sincerely doubt you would unless you did something real dumb while urinating

Public indecency is a misdemeanor, IIRC.
 
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:32 pm



Quoting SJC4Me (Reply 28):
I'm having sex as I read this thread.

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Fri Nov 23, 2007 7:53 pm



Quoting AR385 (Reply 5):
It's sinful, It's carnal, it goes against God's wishes, it shows no willpower, it's lust at its most vulgar, those two should be barred from ever flying again


It's normal and it probably happens a lot more than most folks will admit. I suspect the cabin crew over-reacted. Either that or those two were really enjoying themselves and the noise they made attested to that!  Smile
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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:04 pm

Haha these flights to Vegas always have some interesting characters ....

Either way, I'm sure there's more to the story. To divert a flight simply 'cause people are having sex in the bathroom is utterly ridiculous.
 
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:10 pm



Quoting Etops1 (Reply 21):
he told me that they got really nasty when told to get ouit of the lavotory.

I wonder if they'd just stopped if that wouldnt' have been the end of it.

Quoting SuseJ772 (Reply 27):
So can I get arrested for urinating in public if I use it. Now that presents a catch-22 situation now doesn't it?

No -- as pointed out -- the lewd behavior is the sex. At least in TX, a man in a woman's RR (and vice versa) can be arrested (as happened to a woman who used the men's RR cause of lines). Unless, of course, you pee in public. That apparently is, however, ok in some parts of the world

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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:43 pm

OK - the people that keep saying that US over reacted - aren't some of you the same ones who threw a fit in a thread about 2 gay men were making out onboard a flight and how the airline was right in kicking them off?
 
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 8:48 pm



Quoting SuseJ772 (Reply 27):
So can I get arrested for urinating in public if I use it. Now that presents a catch-22 situation now doesn't it?

The "fooling around in their seats" would be the offensive part. Nobody is really going to pay too much attention to a couple in the lav, as long as they aren't too loud. Was this a Mesa RJ flight? I'm guessing because of the four digit flight number...and which lav was used anyway?

Quoting EBJ1248650 (Reply 34):
I suspect the cabin crew over-reacted. Either that or those two were really enjoying themselves and the noise they made attested to that!

It was already stated above that the diversion was not due to the lav activity, but the threats made to inflight crew.
 
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 9:48 pm



Quoting RP TPA (Reply 6):
Before I noticed AR385 was from Mexico

In my original post, I was, of course, kidding.
 
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:02 pm



Quoting HowSwedeitis (Thread starter):

A-nutters, did US overreact? Should the flight attendants should have just left the couple alone? Or were they right in kicking them off at PDX, regardless of the ire of other PAX? What's your opinion?

Well, as long as they had their Mile High Club membership dues are paid....  bigthumbsup 
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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:36 pm

As a couple a others have said, sex is inconsiquential to the issue. If the crew says to stop, you sit down shut up and stop if you don't want escorted off the plane.

And how stupid are these people? According to usairways.com US1473 is operated with an A320. It's one thing to try to get away with it at night on a 10 hr 747 flight when everyone is sleeping and there's a dozen lavs, but what retard tries it on a 2 hr A320 flight with all of 3 lavs! And then to get stupid and roudy when you get caught is just assinine.

Quoting FLYACYYZ (Reply 39):
so be it. Knock yourself up --

lol, wouldn't that be a story for the grandkids!
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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:51 pm

If it was a flight to LAS, whats the problem? Big grin
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:53 pm



Quoting Super80DFW (Reply 43):
If it was a flight to LAS, whats the problem?

They musta forgot that for it to "stay in Vegas" they first had to get to vegas  Wink
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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:54 pm



Quoting AR385 (Reply 40):
In my original post, I was, of course, kidding.

Yes, I know. I saw the " Big grin "
 
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 10:56 pm



Quoting AR385 (Reply 5):
It's sinful, It's carnal, it goes against God's wishes, it shows no willpower, it's lust at its most vulgar, those two should be barred from ever flying again

I was kidding. I could care less what people do on the loo of a plane, I guess it came out too serious. My apologies.
 
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:01 pm



Quoting MQTmxguy (Reply 42):
lol, wouldn't that be a story for the grandkids!

"Mommy, Daddy, when did you decide to have me? Umm, on a flight to Vegas."
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Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:33 pm

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RE: LAS Flight Diverted To PDX Due To Mile High Club.

Fri Nov 23, 2007 11:41 pm

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