Fly2CHC
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60th Anniversary Of Australian Ops Kangaroo Route

Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:33 am

http://www.theage.com.au/news/news/t...s-60/2007/11/22/1195321920295.html

The article implies that this flight in 1947 operated Sydney-Darwin-Singapore-Calcutta-Karachi-Cairo-Tripoli-London. Since then, what are the different routes that Australian airlines (essentially QF) have operated on the kanagaroo service? Obviously today we have:

SYD-SIN-LHR
SYD-BKK-LHR
SYD-HKG-LHR

In the past there have been intermediary stops also in Bahrain and Tehran.
 
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RE: 60th Anniversary Of Australian Ops Kangaroo Route

Sun Nov 25, 2007 7:38 am

When I flew the route in September 1974 we flew the following.
London / Fankfurt/ Bahrain/ Kuala Lumpur/ Singapore / Sydney

took around 27 hours all up after the stops

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RE: 60th Anniversary Of Australian Ops Kangaroo Route

Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:56 am

Typical half assed reporting from the press!

This year is the 60th anniversary of operation of the whole length of the Kangaroo Route by both Qantas and BOAC, but it is in fact the 73rd year of operation of the Kangaroo Route. From 1934 until 1941 QF operated SYD-SIN and IA/BA SIN-UK. 1942 -1945 QF operated PER-CMB, later PER-KHI, with BA operating west from there. In 1946 joint operation via SIN was reestablished and in 1947 both airlines commenced service along the whole route.

We should also remember that KLM started operating AMS-SYD via a connection in Bativa with their subsiduary KNILM in 1934 and operated the service until their pullout in the late 1990s. KLM was the first non Australian airline to operate into Oz, which made their pull out of the Kangaroo Route so sad  weeping 

The following threads contain the 1939 timetables for these services.
KLM Long Haul Timetables In August 1939 (by Gemuser Dec 8 2005 in Civil Aviation)
QF/IA SYD-LHR 26 Stop To Non Stop (by Gemuser Dec 5 2005 in Civil Aviation)

Quoting Fly2CHC (Thread starter):
Since then, what are the different routes that Australian airlines (essentially QF) have operated on the kanagaroo service?

A shorter question might be what routes haven't they operated! Since 1947 ports of call for QF enroute to the UK have included:
SYD, MEL, BNE, PER & DRW
JKT, DPS, SIN, KUL, BKK, CCU, CMB, DEL, BOM, KHI
BAH, DAM, THR, CAI, IST (I had NOT heard of Tripoli before, treat with caution)
ATH, ROM, VIE, AMS, BEL, PAR & FRA, LON & MAN
There could have been others.

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RE: 60th Anniversary Of Australian Ops Kangaroo Route

Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:53 am



Quoting Gemuser (Reply 2):
(I had NOT heard of Tripoli before, treat with caution)

According to the book "The Longest Hop", published in 1997 for the 50th Anniversary - Tripoli was a stop during the first year or so, of the Qantas service, in November 1948 the stop was moved to Rome.
 
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RE: 60th Anniversary Of Australian Ops Kangaroo Route

Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:12 am

I'll try to cover the current ones to lHR (2 or less stops):
QF
SYD-HKG/SIN/BKK-LHR
MEL-HKG/SIN/BKK-LHR
BNE-SIN/HKG-LHR
PER-HKG/SIN-LHR
ADL-SIN-LHR
BA
SYD-BKK/SIN-LHR
SQ
BNE/PER/SYD/MEL/ADL-SIN-LHR
EK
BNE-SIN-DXB-LHR
MEL-DXB-LHR
SYD-DXB-LHR
MH
PER/ADL/MEL/SYD/BNE-KUL-LHR
TG
PER/BNE/SYD/MEL-BKK-LHR
JL
BNE/SYD-NRT-LHR
KE
MEL/SYD/BNE-ICN-LHR
CX
MEL/PER/SYD/ADL/BNE-HKG-LHR
Chinese Airlines (MU etc)
SYD/MEL-PEK/PVG etc - LHR
EY
BNE-SIN-AUH-LHR
SYD-AUH-LHR
NZ
BNE/SYD/MEL/ADL/PER/CNS-AKL-HKG-LHR
VS
SYD-HKG-LHR
I think their are a few more, with routes like BNE-SIN-LHR you change A/C put I still classify them as Kangaroo routes
 
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RE: 60th Anniversary Of Australian Ops Kangaroo Route

Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:25 am

Does Kangaroo Route specifically refer to travel via Asia?

If not you can add NZ via LAX, AC via YVR, SA)">UA via LAX/SFO, SA via JNB, MK via MRU

Of course there is also:

OZ via ICN, BI via BWN, and soon TransAero!
 
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RE: 60th Anniversary Of Australian Ops Kangaroo Route

Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:38 am



Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 5):
Does Kangaroo Route specifically refer to travel via Asia?

Yes.

SYD-SFO via NAN and HNL was called "The Southern Cross Route."
SYD-LHR via Tahiti, Mexico and Bermuda was called "The Fiesta Route."
 
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RE: 60th Anniversary Of Australian Ops Kangaroo Route

Sun Nov 25, 2007 12:45 pm



Quoting TruemanQLD (Reply 4):

Royal Brunei

AKL / BNE / BWN / DXB / LHR

BNE / BWN / DXB / LHR

DRW / BWN / DXB / LHR (ends Jan 08)

PER / BWN / DXB / LHR

SYD / BWN / DXB / LHR

And hopefully ADL & MEL in the future

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RE: 60th Anniversary Of Australian Ops Kangaroo Route

Sun Nov 25, 2007 2:20 pm

Interestingly the Wallaby Route is 55 years old and 25 November is the 50th anniversry of SAA's operations on that route - in 1957 they started a fortnightly JNB-MRU-CCK-PER DC-7B service, 5 years after Qantas first operated Constellation flights.

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 2):
KLM was the first non Australian airline to operate into Oz, which made their pull out of the Kangaroo Route so sad.

The following threads contain the 1939 timetables for these services.
KLM
Long Haul Timetables In August 1939 (by Gemuser Dec 8 2005 in Civil Aviation)
QF/IA
SYD-LHR 26 Stop To Non Stop (by Gemuser Dec 5 2005 in Civil Aviation)

Nearly 5 years ago I posted a fictious KLM trip report I based on an artilce published in 1938. http://www1.airliners.net/discussions/trip_reports/read.main/16079
Must have had more time on my hands back then  Smile

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RE: 60th Anniversary Of Australian Ops Kangaroo Route

Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:21 am



Quoting FlashFlyGuy (Reply 6):
Quoting Fly2CHC (Reply 5):
Does Kangaroo Route specifically refer to travel via Asia?

Yes.

SYD-SFO via NAN and HNL was called "The Southern Cross Route."
SYD-LHR via Tahiti, Mexico and Bermuda was called "The Fiesta Route."

The SYD-SFO route also continued to JFK and LHR until 747s replaced 707s.

The Fiesta Route also included the Bahamas (NAS). If memory correct it operated SYD-PPT-ACA-MEX-NAS-BDA-LHR.
 
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RE: 60th Anniversary Of Australian Ops Kangaroo Route

Mon Nov 26, 2007 3:30 am



Quoting Viscount724 (Reply 9):
The Fiesta Route also included the Bahamas (NAS). If memory correct it operated SYD-PPT-ACA-MEX-NAS-BDA-LHR.

Almost. SYD-NAN-PPT-ACA-MEX-NAS-BDA-LHR

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