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CX Has 20 B 747-400s Only?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:59 am

According to Cathay Pacific's schedule they have 20 B 747-400s only. Are those second hand B 747-400s 100% delivered?
 
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RE: CX Has 20 B 747-400s Only?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:08 am

I'm confused....

according to what schedule? delivery schedule? flight schedule? What second-hand 747's? CX has between 22-25 747's. (cathaypacific.com says 23, Wikipedia says 24, etc.)

Can you be more specific?
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RE: CX Has 20 B 747-400s Only?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 2:32 pm

Cathay has 19 RR powered birds that were delivered to them new from Boeing. They bought 6 P&W powered birds from Singapore, 2 of which were delivered to the passenger side, the remaining aircraft were delivered to Cathay Pacific Cargo.

At the same time, Cathay Pacific removed one of its original RR powered birds for conversion to a freighter. I'm not sure what the details are, but CX needed to have a bird available for conversion, so they offered one of their aircraft.

Therefore, CX has 20 747-400s (18x RR, 2x PW, ex SQ) and should have 5 747-400BCFs (1x RR, 4x PW, ex SQ), assuming all aircraft have been delivered.

Correct me if I'm wrong.
 
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RE: CX Has 20 B 747-400s Only?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:33 pm

Cathay Pacific has 36 B744:
6 x 467F
1 x 467BCF
2 x 444BCF
3 x 412BCF

18 x 467
6 x 412 (of which 1 to be delivered)

Dragonair has 3 B744:
3 x 412BCF

Cathay has 6 more B744F on order.

All this information is widely available on the net. A simple search for the info will not take more than a minute to yield all that and the rego's.
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RE: CX Has 20 B 747-400s Only?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 5:43 pm



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 3):
Cathay has 6 more B744F on order.

And 10x748F
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RE: CX Has 20 B 747-400s Only?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 6:20 pm

How come CX's schedule says 20 B 747-400s?
 
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RE: CX Has 20 B 747-400s Only?

Tue Nov 27, 2007 7:00 pm



Quoting United Airline (Reply 5):
How come CX's schedule says 20 B 747-400s?

It only counts passenger model 747-400s.

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 3):
All this information is widely available on the net. A simple search for the info will not take more than a minute to yield all that and the rego's.

I only counted Passenger / BCF 747-400.
 
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RE: CX Has 20 B 747-400s Only?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:12 am



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 3):
18 x 467
6 x 412 (of which 1 to be delivered)

Then shouldn't there be 23 B 747-400 passenger aircraft?????? Not 20.........
 
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RE: CX Has 20 B 747-400s Only?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:18 am

If you go to this website http://www.airfleets.net you can type in the airline name and see their current fleet including tail numbers, delivery date, and history of the aircraft. Includes aircraft that the airline no longer owns but has sold or disposed of.
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RE: CX Has 20 B 747-400s Only?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:22 am

They still have one second hand B 747-400 passenger aircraft to be delivered?
 
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RE: CX Has 20 B 747-400s Only?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:53 pm

ITS amusing how Cathay Pacific has bulked up its 744 fleet with ex-SIA planes with Pratt engines.
 
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RE: CX Has 20 B 747-400s Only?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:59 pm



Quoting Jfk777 (Reply 10):
ITS amusing how Cathay Pacific has bulked up its 744 fleet with ex-SIA planes with Pratt engines.

If by amusing, you mean smart, then I would agree. SQ takes first rate care of their aircraft and tosses them aside awfully young. I wish UA would buy some old SQ birds too, to bulk up its fleet.
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RE: CX Has 20 B 747-400s Only?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:02 pm



Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 11):
SQ takes first rate care of their aircraft and tosses them aside awfully young.

Funniest thing I have heard for ages...normally SQ aircraft take longer to get online as they have not been looked after. They flip the aircraft so they can avoid doing any real work on them.
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RE: CX Has 20 B 747-400s Only?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:28 pm



Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 11):
SQ takes first rate care of their aircraft and tosses them aside awfully young

When I spot and see CX's ex-SQ aircraft take off, they look like a 707 taking off with the amount of smoke coming from the engines.
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RE: CX Has 20 B 747-400s Only?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:54 pm

CX's website says they have 23 B 747-400s.
 
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RE: CX Has 20 B 747-400s Only?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:24 pm



Quoting Zeke (Reply 12):

Quoting FlyDreamliner (Reply 11):
SQ takes first rate care of their aircraft and tosses them aside awfully young.

Funniest thing I have heard for ages...normally SQ aircraft take longer to get online as they have not been looked after. They flip the aircraft so they can avoid doing any real work on them.

I guess I had read some stuff claiming that the 747s at SQ had been fairly well maintained, but I will defer to your superior knowledge.

If SQ is in the business of flipping their aircraft to avoid mx, how have the A380 delays and the 747-400s staying in service with SQ longer than anticipated (some of the 744s are what, 15 years old now when usually they don't keep aircraft too far past 10-12) effected them?
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RE: CX Has 20 B 747-400s Only?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:28 pm



Quoting Airbus_A340 (Reply 13):
When I spot and see CX's ex-SQ aircraft take off, they look like a 707 taking off with the amount of smoke coming from the engines.

Funniest thing I heard about Cathay, ever.
 
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RE: CX Has 20 B 747-400s Only?

Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:51 pm



Quoting Zeke (Reply 12):
They flip the aircraft so they can avoid doing any real work on them.

Singapore also has very favorable accounting laws/practicies that allow for more favorable depreciation, which lets them flip their aircraft faster.