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FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Tue Nov 27, 2007 9:11 pm

Was on FlightBlogger to see if he had anything about the SW 737 damage, and his most up-to-date post says that the B787 first flight will take place on 03-31-2008.

It looks like he got confirmation through Senior 787 officials. Maybe they will get ahead of schedule and have it flying in Mid-March.

FlightBlogger is great.

http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/fl...ark-your-calendars-787-maiden.html

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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Tue Nov 27, 2007 10:07 pm



Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Thread starter):
B787 first flight will take place on 03-31-2008.

Let me see... The 31st month of 2008 would be july 2010, which seems like a long time to wait...  duck 
Oh, and did I mention that I HATE "middle-endian" dates?
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:01 pm



Quoting JetBlueGuy2006 (Thread starter):
Maybe they will get ahead of schedule

Good luck with that. Besides I'll be out of school for its Mid-July 1st flight.
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:06 pm

Here is hoping it's true because I want to see her in the air.
 
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:15 pm

The 7/8/07 rollout publicity stunt looks dumber and dumber every time I get an update on this program's progress. On top of that, my dad retires from Boeing this Friday...so much for that behind-the-scenes access to the first flight that I was looking forward to back in August!
 
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Tue Nov 27, 2007 11:17 pm

Let's wait and see, I guess they must feel pretty confident if they actually name a date............

Hopefully this program is getting back on track, that said, this is a totally different kind of plane, other problems are likely to occur, hopefully nothing major.
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:24 am

I think the big news is that section 41 for LN 2 (the next flying air frame) is in da house. I wonder if it has it full flight deck installed?
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:40 am



Quoting NYC777 (Reply 6):
I wonder if it has it full flight deck installed?

arnt the decks fitted in Seattle?

Has LN001 been fully fitted yet?
 
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:52 am

People really need to get over the whole US vs. the World in how we write the date thing. Seriously. Assembled in USA, date written as such, get over it. Its a date. You get what it means.
 
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:00 am



Quoting SupraZachAir (Reply 8):
People really need to get over the whole US vs. the World in how we write the date thing

Not really. Just write 31-Mar-2008 or Mar-31-2008 it is completely unambiguous to any reader no matter which order you choose. 31/03/2008 or 03/31/2008 make it harder (slower) for any reader to decode on top of being sometimes unbiguous.
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:11 am

Wow, just trying to make it in Q1 2008 it seems. Lets hope they make it, they need to.
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:22 am



Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 4):
The 7/8/07 rollout publicity stunt looks dumber and dumber every time I get an update on this program's progress.

I went back through the pictures of the ceremony to see if I could find a MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner anywhere...  duck   duck   duck   duck 
 
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:08 am



Quoting SpeedyGonzales (Reply 1):
Oh, and did I mention that I HATE "middle-endian" dates?

Well, I prefer big-endian and middle-endian over little endian, so nyah.  Smile
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:55 am

Why don't we all use ISO dates then... after all, isn't that why the ISO exists. Seriously, I hope that 20080331 is the "banner" day for the 787. Anyone know when the first GEnx flight is going to happen?
 
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:02 am



Quoting SpeedyGonzales (Reply 1):
Let me see... The 31st month of 2008 would be july 2010, which seems like a long time to wait...
Oh, and did I mention that I HATE "middle-endian" dates?

Maybe they should have selected 03/09/08 so if it slips again, they could always say "No we mean't September not March!"  Smile

But seriously this first flight puts a lot of pressure on 2008 Deliveries (Assuming that hasn't changed), if Boeing pull off a single delivery for the 787 in 2008. I'll definately be impressed. And no thats not a dig. I think early 2009 would be more realistic for delivery ANA. Lets face it, flight testing of an A/C thats so different to current models should not be rushed.

Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 4):
The 7/8/07 rollout publicity stunt looks dumber and dumber every time I get an update on this program's progress. On top of that, my dad retires from Boeing this Friday...so much for that behind-the-scenes access to the first flight that I was looking forward to back in August!

Personally i'd agree, they should have rolled out when the engineers said we're ready not the marketing/management people decided. I was very shocked they choose to rollout with temporary fasteners, i'd assume this aircraft would have to be re-fastened before flight.
 
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:04 am



Quoting Bingo (Reply 11):

I went back through the pictures of the ceremony to see if I could find a MISSION ACCOMPLISHED banner anywhere...

 rotfl 

I suppose the coincidence of the date and aircraft was too good to pass up, but boy, "rollout" in July and first flight in March? Not how you want things to play out.
 
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:06 am



Quoting EI321 (Reply 7):
Quoting NYC777 (Reply 6):
I wonder if it has it full flight deck installed?

arnt the decks fitted in Seattle?

Has LN001 been fully fitted yet?

Flight decks are supposed to be fitted by Spirit in Wichita before they ship the nose to Seattle. LN001 isn't fully fitted yet, but progress is going well from what I hear.

Quoting Baron95 (Reply 9):
Just write 31-Mar-2008 or Mar-31-2008 it is completely unambiguous to any reader no matter which order you choose.

Which is why Boeing uses "31-Mar-2008" style dating in all their communications with operators (since they're mostly outside the US).

Quoting Lazybones (Reply 14):
Personally i'd agree, they should have rolled out when the engineers said we're ready not the marketing/management people decided. I was very shocked they choose to rollout with temporary fasteners, i'd assume this aircraft would have to be re-fastened before flight.

Rollout is a marketing/management thing, not an engineering thing. Why should they consult with the engineers? Don't get me wrong, it's goofy to rollout so early that you have to disassemble after the rollout in order to clean the thing up, but there's nothing inherently engineering-y about the rollout...it's PR, pure and simple, and the technical status of the plane is wholly irrelevant to its ability to rollout.

And yes, the temporary fasteners will be replaced with permanent ones before testing begins.

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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:50 am



Quoting Baron95 (Reply 9):
Not really. Just write 31-Mar-2008 or Mar-31-2008 it is completely unambiguous to any reader no matter which order you choose. 31/03/2008 or 03/31/2008 make it harder (slower) for any reader to decode on top of being sometimes unbiguous.

Nope, I'm sticking with "get over it" because we're talking about numerical dating. Of course spelling the month changes everything, but thats not what people are crying about. Numerical dates = get over it. Seriously... get.... over... it. Its a date. If you think we're talking about the 31st month of anything, swallow a knife. Please, do us that favor.
 
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:06 am



Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 16):
the technical status of the plane is wholly irrelevant to its ability to rollout.

I hear what your saying Tom, But I find it bizzare that with such a tight timeframe. It should be decided to make more work for yourselves just to satisfy the 787 date thing. I don't know how much time It will take to re-fasten, but i doubt it would be a trivial "give it to the apprentice job" Surely It would be better to roll something out thats actually ready.

Lets hope the same managers aren't in charge of flight testing  Smile
 
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:17 am



Quoting SupraZachAir (Reply 17):
Its a date.

Interestingly, all immigration forms in the US require DD-MM-YYYY.
 
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:39 am



Quoting SirDeath (Reply 13):
Anyone know when the first GEnx flight is going to happen?

The GEnx first flew in Feb 07 on a GE 747 flying test bed, which was also used to test the GE 90

"The engine performed extremely well, and we look forward to gaining additional valuable information on the engine's capabilities from flight testing," Tom Brisken, general manager of the GEnx program, said in a statement

Details here: http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/304815_dreamliner23.html
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:42 am



Quoting SupraZachAir (Reply 8):
People really need to get over the whole US vs. the World in how we write the date thing. Seriously. Assembled in USA, date written as such, get over it. Its a date. You get what it means.

But this is not an American forum although the language is English and many users come from the States. This forum was founded by a guy from Sweden and it has users from all over the world. It is an international forum and you should consider that when posting here.Sure many people know about the American spelling and how dates are written but many people don´t.
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:55 am

So this dates basically the current target date?
 
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:06 am



Quoting SupraZachAir (Reply 17):
Nope, I'm sticking with "get over it" because we're talking about numerical dating. Of course spelling the month changes everything, but thats not what people are crying about. Numerical dates = get over it. Seriously... get.... over... it. Its a date. If you think we're talking about the 31st month of anything, swallow a knife. Please, do us that favor.

It sounds as if you are the one who has trouble "getting over" something.
 
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 12:46 pm

Am I the only one scratching his head when reading that the first major assembly piece for the second flying 787 only now arrived in Seattle?

The compressed flight testing Boeing is planning on relies on the use of multiple frames. Yet, 12 months before the target certification date, they're still working on the first frame and only just starting to get the subassemblies for the second.

Granted, assembly should get faster as production gets up to speed and bugs are worked out, but still, It seems that Boeing has a lot of work to do in the next 12 months...

First delivery by end-2008 just sounds too good to be true at this stage.

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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 1:51 pm



Quoting Scipio (Reply 24):
Am I the only one scratching his head when reading that the first major assembly piece for the second flying 787 only now arrived in Seattle?

Don't forget, they have also already been assembling the static test rigs. You could sort of count those...

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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:00 pm



Quoting Scipio (Reply 24):
The compressed flight testing Boeing is planning on relies on the use of multiple frames. Yet, 12 months before the target certification date, they're still working on the first frame and only just starting to get the subassemblies for the second.

If the sub-assemblies are arriving fully "stuffed" then "snap-together" should be much quicker than conventional assembly but I'm not sure of the level of "stuffedness" of MSN0002.
 
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:24 pm



Quoting PM (Reply 19):
Interestingly, all immigration forms in the US require DD-MM-YYYY.

Not surprising since non-US citizens are more likely to use that schema for expressing dates.

Quoting Scipio (Reply 24):
Am I the only one scratching his head when reading that the first major assembly piece for the second flying 787 only now arrived in Seattle?

No, because Boeing intentionally delayed delivery to allow the suppliers to continue to complete them to both reduce "travel work" at Everett (which has really hurt ZA001) and to help them gain experience so they can work more effectively on ZA003 and beyond.
 
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:47 pm

Wow, with a 31 March first flight, and an EIS still scheduled for September 2008, that is going to be very tight scheduling.
 
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:58 pm

Yes, it does seem like everything stopped on the 787 for like 3 months. Possibly it took that long to get enough fasteners of every type so that production can really begin. Possibly Vought really fell down badly and it is taking all this time to get them to be able to do it right. I haven't heard much either way regarding the wings, but I have seen where Spirit and the Italians seems to be on track with around a dozen sets built.

This doesn't compare yet to a recent program where some 9 planes were built and rolled outside but took 2 additional years to finish.
 
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 3:29 pm

The center fuselage for the fatigue test frame should be in Everett by the end of this week at the latest and they'll start to assemble it soon after delivery. Word is that the parts for the fatigue frame are in more of completed state then the previous two air frmaes (LN 1 and ZA9997) which is very good news for Boeing and its suppliers.

This means that Boeing and its suppliers are catching up on the unplanned travel work and that is very important for the production ramp up.

Also in this weks printed issues of Aviation Week there is quite a few articles on the maufacture andtesting of the 787. In it AWST says that LN 2 will start assembly in early January and static testing on ZA 9997 will begin in December (ZA9997 is tentatively scheduled to roll over to 40-23 on December 15th).

Power on for LN 1 is set for late January (consistent with info that I received) and it'll use the "block 7.2" version of the flight software. When LN 1 takes to the skies in the Feb.-March time frame it'll use the "block 8.0" version ofthe flight control software which will be the fully matured and functional software version for the 787.
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:39 pm



Quoting SupraZachAir (Reply 17):
Nope, I'm sticking with "get over it" because we're talking about numerical dating. Of course spelling the month changes everything, but thats not what people are crying about. Numerical dates = get over it. Seriously... get.... over... it. Its a date. If you think we're talking about the 31st month of anything, swallow a knife. Please, do us that favor.

You obviously don't work in the industry!  Wink

Those of us who have spent our adult lives in the airline business have learned to adapt and compromise!

Dates are always expressed: DD-MMM-YY to avoid confusion between cultures. It is a very simple concept. We compromise to get along. Don't play the "Ugly American" and make us all look bad, please?
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:50 pm



Quoting PA110 (Reply 31):
You obviously don't work in the industry! Wink

Those of us who have spent our adult lives in the airline business have learned to adapt and compromise!

Dates are always expressed: DD-MMM-YY to avoid confusion between cultures. It is a very simple concept. We compromise to get along. Don't play the "Ugly American" and make us all look bad, please?

Really, I think it's not a big deal. I'm European and I actually prefer the U.S. date format, although I've been using DD/MM/YY all my life. It makes more sense, as you can just say it out loud - 03/31/08 - March 31, 2008. It's more natural.

Regardless, this is impertinent to the thread at hand. It would be fantastic to see the first flight occur before March 31, as indeed it is pushing it close with the flight test schedule. I want to see these babies in the air!
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:40 pm



Quoting Columba (Reply 21):
It is an international forum and you should consider that when posting here

Exactly. If a non-american had written such issue, mentioning the date on DD-MMM-AA format, probally the americans would have more difficulty to read it.
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:47 pm



Quoting Jmbarros12 (Reply 33):

It really must be a slow news day. I think the date thing would only be an issue if you're using a calender with 31 months in it...
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:51 pm



Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 34):
It really must be a slow news day. I think the date thing would only be an issue if you're using a calender with 31 months in it...

You´re absolutely right.

Let´s go back to the 787 First Flight discussion.

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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:07 pm



Quoting SupraZachAir (Reply 17):
Nope, I'm sticking with "get over it" because we're talking about numerical dating. Of course spelling the month changes everything, but thats not what people are crying about. Numerical dates = get over it. Seriously... get.... over... it. Its a date. If you think we're talking about the 31st month of anything, swallow a knife. Please, do us that favor.

Favour.

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 28):
Wow, with a 31 March first flight, and an EIS still scheduled for September 2008, that is going to be very tight scheduling.

Not happening.
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:12 pm

What the...?
 
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:14 pm



Quoting Swallow (Reply 20):
The GEnx first flew in Feb 07 on a GE 747 flying test bed

I should have been more clear... the first GEnx on a 787.
 
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:32 pm



Quoting SupraZachAir (Reply 17):
Numerical dates = get over it. Seriously... get.... over... it. Its a date.

Perhaps you don't fully appreciate the problem. If on a.net I read that new aircraft X is due for its first flight 02/01/2008, I don't know when the first flight is due. Both January and February 2008 may be entirely plausible - there's only a 30 day difference depending on which way you interpret the numeric date. What's wrong with doing what Boeing is reported to do (name the month when expressing dates) for the purpose of clarity?

As an aside, anyone know how the US numerical date system came about?
 
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:37 pm

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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:44 pm



Quoting 777236ER (Reply 40):
Quoting JoeCanuck (Reply 37):

Or favor...

http://dictionary.reference.com/sear...0&y=0

Or indeed favour...

http://dictionary.reference.com/sear...avour

Favour = UK
Favor = US

 Wink


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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:50 pm



Quoting Baron95 (Reply 9):
Just write 31-Mar-2008 or Mar-31-2008 it is completely unambiguous to any reader no matter which order you choose.

But what if you misspell it, and write: "The 787 is scheduled for a Mach 31 first flight." People may think the 787 is going into orbit!
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:52 pm

Quoting KC135TopBoom (Reply 28):
Wow, with a 31 March first flight, and an EIS still scheduled for September 2008, that is going to be very tight scheduling.

EIS was revised for Nov.-Dec. 2008 and never for September.

Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 41):
Otherwise, I can't wait to see this bird flying. I am counting the days now!

124 days and counting-Monday March 31, 2008. Too bad we can't have a countdown clock for this.

[Edited 2007-11-28 12:53:35]
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:57 pm

Glad to see a first flight in March. Thats the way it seems to go in the airplane building business these days. The A380 is doing fine now, The 787 will get up to speed soon, and if the A350 is delayed about 6 months, it wont be that big of a deal either.

The date thing is a minor issue, an even bigger problem is that the USA won't switch to the metric system. But thats OK for now, because computers can convert the numbers well enough.
 
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:11 pm

Quoting NYC777 (Reply 43):
Too bad we can't have a countdown clock for this.

We can't here, but you can make your own. If you go to http://www.timeleft.info/, you can download a small program to get a customized countdown clock on your desktop.

That's mine:



Cheers.

[Edited 2007-11-28 13:38:33]
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:15 pm



Quoting GrahamHill (Reply 45):
We can't here, but you can make your own. If you go to http://www.timeleft.info/, you can download a small program to get a customized countdown clock on your desktop.

COOL! THANKS!
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 9:19 pm



Quoting Scipio (Reply 24):
Am I the only one scratching his head when reading that the first major assembly piece for the second flying 787 only now arrived in Seattle?

The compressed flight testing Boeing is planning on relies on the use of multiple frames. Yet, 12 months before the target certification date, they're still working on the first frame and only just starting to get the subassemblies for the second.

It's my understanding that the subsequent fames to 0001 will fly in rapid succession after it. As said above, the parts are arrinving far more complete and Boeing's modular assembly plan is taking shape as suppliers get caught up.
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Wed Nov 28, 2007 11:50 pm

As long as we're talking about dates related to Boeing products (dates that generally come from American sources), it'd be nice if it didn't always go:
-One person commets on the date being "wrong"
-Someone says the 7/8/07 was a debacle because the world didn't understand.
-A tiff ensues

It just gets old. I really don't care about the date, because when I see dates related to non-US businesses, etc, I can put 2 and 2 together and figure it out (yes, even when ambiguity exists in the first 12 days of the month). I have worked in the airline industry, thanks. In the airline industry the date is written DD-three letter month-year: 28NOV07. Of course it was an American airline, so I can't speak for the rest of the world.

I'm really not trying to start a war here, I'm just asking that everyone quit whining every time they see an American written date. Its how we write it, you're obviously aware, so deal accordingly. I can deal with reading: theatre, favour, km, and 31-03-2008, maybe y'all can make do as well. Okay, group hug, feel the love... feel the love.
 
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RE: FlightBlogger: 787 First Flight Set

Thu Nov 29, 2007 2:22 am



Quoting Scipio (Reply 24):
Am I the only one scratching his head when reading that the first major assembly piece for the second flying 787 only now arrived in Seattle?

It's the fourth aircraft to go through the line and, given the amount of pre-assembly that's supposed to happen before reaching Seattle, the delay is a good thing *if* the sections are arriving with most of the stuffing done.

Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 26):
If the sub-assemblies are arriving fully "stuffed" then "snap-together" should be much quicker than conventional assembly but I'm not sure of the level of "stuffedness" of MSN0002.

Supposedly, it's much better than any of the three prior frames (LN1 + static + fatigue). FYI, MSN is an Airbus thing...although Boeing has serial numbers, they're almost never used for anything.

Tom.