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Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:13 am

Today marked the end of JetExpress service for Horizon and Frontier. Was lucky enough to Deadhead on the next to last flight. Got to ride on N601QX. The first CR7. They worked the route of DEN-LIT-DEN-PDX. The working crew was awesome and the flight attendants were actually management. Very nice to talk to. Wish they would return to the skies out of DEN for F9. So much nicer to ride the CR7 over the E145XR. But as a Flight Attendant for Republic, it adds more routes to our side. But the crews for QX are much more in tune to the Westerners than the XE people.



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RE: Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:30 am

When is F9 getting the Lynx Q400s?

And what exactly caused Horizon to lose the contract with F9? I heard from an F9 ramp worker friend of mine that they wouldn't supply more CRJs?

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RE: Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:38 am



Quoting FutureFO (Thread starter):
Today marked the end of JetExpress service for Horizon and Frontier. Was lucky enough to Deadhead on the next to last flight. Got to ride on N601QX. The first CR7. They worked the route of DEN-LIT-DEN-PDX. The working crew was awesome and the flight attendants were actually management. Very nice to talk to. Wish they would return to the skies out of DEN for F9. So much nicer to ride the CR7 over the E145XR. But as a Flight Attendant for Republic, it adds more routes to our side. But the crews for QX are much more in tune to the Westerners than the XE people.

Sorry, but I am completely confused. What is JetExpress? N601QX is registered to Horizon Air (QXE - QX). Jet Express is an airline which currently flies no aircraft, and JetExpress at www.jetexpress.com is a charter company that does not fly the CR7. Is JetExpress a marketing name?

According to the Frontier website, the routes flown by affiliated carriers are flying E170 aircraft which are much larger and more comfortable than the E145 or the CR7.

Are you confusing JetExpress with ExpressJet which flies for Continental and Delta? ExpressJet has extensive service out of the west including a dozen or flights per day from San Diego.
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RE: Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:44 am



Quoting Dakar (Reply 1):
When is F9 getting the Lynx Q400s?

They have them - five, so far, I think. They are doing the proving flights now, for FAA certification. Early December?

Quoting Dakar (Reply 1):
And what exactly caused Horizon to lose the contract with F9? I heard from an F9 ramp worker friend of mine that they wouldn't supply more CRJs?

A lot of that. Frontier wanted more aircraft, and Horizon wanted aircraft for their own operation. They chose not to bid on the new contract for Frontier.

Horizon CEO Pinneo called it "a happy alignment of the planets".

Quoting Eghansen (Reply 2):
the routes flown by affiliated carriers are flying E170 aircraft which are much larger and more comfortable than the E145 or the CR7.

Because of the delay in FAA certification of Lynx, Frontier has a short term contract with ExpressJet to fill in some of the gaps.

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RE: Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:45 am



Quoting FutureFO (Thread starter):
But the crews for QX are much more in tune to the Westerners than the XE people.

What exactly does this mean? Just curious because apparently, you have more insight than me.
 
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RE: Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:48 am



Quoting Mariner (Reply 3):
Because of the delay in FAA certification of Lynx, Frontier has a short term contract with ExpressJet to fill in some of the gaps.

When you book DEN-LIT or BTR the Frontier website says the E170 are operated by Republic Airlines.
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RE: Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:53 am

Quoting Eghansen (Reply 5):
When you book DEN-LIT or BTR the Frontier website says the E170 are operated by Republic Airlines.

Yes, the E170's are operated by Republic Airlines, who are flying the bulk of the regional routes, including some to Mexico.

But try booking DEN-ICT or DEN-RAP among others - for early December. Those routes were to have been flown by Lynx/Q400's, but in the short term are flown by ExpressJet on some or all of the frequencies.

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RE: Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:00 am



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 2):
Sorry, but I am completely confused. What is JetExpress? N601QX is registered to Horizon Air (QXE - QX). Jet Express is an airline which currently flies no aircraft, and JetExpress at www.jetexpress.com is a charter company that does not fly the CR7. Is JetExpress a marketing name?

JetExpress, or more properly "Frontier JetExpress" is the name of Frontier's regional service, a la American Eagle, Northwest Airlink, United Express, etc...

Horizon Air operated the JetExpress operation for Frontier until Republic took over. However, I believe Republic's flights are not billed as "JetExpress" Moreover, the operation starting with Lynx and the Q400 I believe will be known as "Frontier Express" (since they're not operating jets).
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RE: Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:12 am



Quoting Mariner (Reply 3):
They are doing the proving flights now, for FAA certification. Early December?

I was at DIA last night and saw the "LJ" Q400 parked at a gate on the east end of the A concourse. Can hardly wait to see those Lynx babies lined up for passengers. (Was tempted to go for an analogy--Lynx pups lined up, suckling at the A concourse--but thought better of it.)
 
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RE: Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:19 am



Quoting OnAClearDay (Reply 8):
(Was tempted to go for an analogy--Lynx pups lined up, suckling at the A concourse--but thought better of it.)

I like it. You should have gone for it.  Smile

A chum in Canada sent me a couple of pix of Q400's that aren't in Denver yet (or maybe they are by now), and it is going to be quite a line-up of cute tails.

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RE: Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:23 am



Quoting JBo (Reply 7):
JetExpress, or more properly "Frontier JetExpress" is the name of Frontier's regional service, a la American Eagle, Northwest Airlink, United Express, etc...

Horizon Air operated the JetExpress operation for Frontier until Republic took over. However, I believe Republic's flights are not billed as "JetExpress" Moreover, the operation starting with Lynx and the Q400 I believe will be known as "Frontier Express" (since they're not operating jets).

Thanks. Actually, American Eagle is a separate airline, not just a marketing name. But I understand now.

All it means to me is that Frontier will be swapping one commuter airline flying tiny little planes with no legroom or overhead space for another commuter airline flying tiny little planes with no legroom or overhead space.

One of the nice things about living in SAN is we have relatively few regional jets/turboprops and I almost never have to fly in them.
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RE: Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:27 am

Must be why QX is adding a daily LAX-SEA and another LAX-PDX tomorrow.. SIGH!!
 
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RE: Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Wed Nov 28, 2007 5:56 am



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 10):
All it means to me is that Frontier will be swapping one commuter airline flying tiny little planes with no legroom or overhead space for another commuter airline flying tiny little planes with no legroom or overhead space.

No. Despite having similar seating capacities, there is a big difference between the CRJ-700 and Embraer 170s. The E170 is not the ERJ-145! The bins fit full-size rollaboards (if turned sideways) and seat width is actually wider than mainline seats in most cases (not sure how it will be with Frontier specifically, though). So this is actually a pretty big upgrade for those routes. The only real similarity is that both are 2x2 seating.
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RE: Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:29 pm



Quoting Mariner (Reply 3):
They have them - five, so far, I think. They are doing the proving flights now, for FAA certification. Early December?

Correct me if I am wrong but isn't ExpressJet's contract for F9 until mid January? If the Q is certified by early December, does F9 tell ExpressJet to get lost or will ExpressJet continue to fly until the remainder of the Q's come online?
 
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RE: Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:56 pm



Quoting TSRA (Reply 13):
Correct me if I am wrong but isn't ExpressJet's contract for F9 until mid January? If the Q is certified by early December, does F9 tell ExpressJet to get lost or will ExpressJet continue to fly until the remainder of the Q's come online?

ExpressJet is only using a couple of aircraft from the charter division to provide the temporary lift. Once the Q's start coming online, XE will continue to provide services only as needed. I'm pretty sure you will see them on the schedule through January.

Quoting Dakar (Reply 1):
And what exactly caused Horizon to lose the contract with F9? I heard from an F9 ramp worker friend of mine that they wouldn't supply more CRJs?

Horizon wanted out of the contract. The Horizon name is very strong with a loyal following in the northwest. I guess they decided to focus on their core customers rather than continue to provide service to F9, which i feel was the right decision.
 
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RE: Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Wed Nov 28, 2007 4:59 pm



Quoting TSRA (Reply 13):
isn't ExpressJet's contract for F9 until mid January?

I believe that is so.

It is also an assumption - or a hope - that the Lynx proving flights will go okay and there will be certification in December.

I don't know how it works out after that, but I have heard rumors that there is some kind of agreement to cover all the bases.

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RE: Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:01 pm



Quoting Mariner (Reply 15):
I don't know how it works out after that, but I have heard rumors that there is some kind of agreement to cover all the bases.

Given that XE is covering the routes with charter lift, there's no reason that the XE flights couldn't go on for as long as F9 needed them... it's not like they are assigned to other flying on January 16 or anything like that.
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RE: Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Wed Nov 28, 2007 6:48 pm



Quoting Mariner (Reply 15):
don't know how it works out after that, but I have heard rumors that there is some kind of agreement to cover all the bases.

(Sorry of the thread hijack) When are the rest of the Q's coming? I have heard they have 6 right now but when are the remaining 4 going to be delivered? So I guess my question would be would F9 still keep ExpressJet flying where they are currently (BIL, ICT, RAP) and take the Q's to new stations. Then when the remaining Q's come on line, replace the ExpressJet flying with them? With that said where would the Q's go?
 
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RE: Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:04 pm



Quoting TSRA (Reply 17):
(Sorry of the thread hijack) When are the rest of the Q's coming?

No probs about the hijack, at least for me.

The answer is - I don't know. I just had a couple of emails from my usual suspects, who usually know, but they are wondering as well. The best they can come up with is - "soon".

The rumor I am hearing is that as soon as Lynx certification is granted they will map out the strategy, which may - stress "may" - include at least one new mountain destination. Thy're playing it all close to the chest coz they got burned last time, with the FAA delay.

Assuming all goes according to the present plan, we should know within a week or so. Tiger Airways, in Australia, was revenue flying within about 48 hours of certification.

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RE: Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Wed Nov 28, 2007 7:04 pm



Quoting JBo (Reply 7):
Horizon Air operated the JetExpress operation for Frontier until Republic took over. However, I believe Republic's flights are not billed as "JetExpress"

The RW flights are operated as "Frontier Airlines operated by Republic Airlines".

Quoting Eghansen (Reply 10):
All it means to me is that Frontier will be swapping one commuter airline flying tiny little planes with no legroom or overhead space for another commuter airline flying tiny little planes with no legroom or overhead space.

As previously mentioned, the Embraer 170 can accomodate standard sized rollaboards, and even garment bags, in the overhead bins. The space underneath the seat in front of you also accomodates larger briefcases/bags than the space underneath the seat of a CRJ or ERJ.

Also, the seats are over 1 inch wider than the seats on the Airbus 320 family of aircraft, Boeing 737 family aircraft and DC-9/MD-80 series of aircraft. The legroom is also comparable to mainline.

The cabin height is also 6'7", so almost everyone can stand-up in the cabin.

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RE: Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Wed Nov 28, 2007 8:42 pm



Quoting Dakar (Reply 1):
When is F9 getting the Lynx Q400s?

(From great sources) VERY soon... Obviously things can change with the FAA, thus why I shouldn't say the date, but from what I am hearing proving runs are going well and will be done soon, revenue flying will begin within days after certification. Once certified, Frontier will announce a few new cities.

All ten of the Q400's will be in Lynx's hands by the end of the year. It will take some time to ramp up the airline, so I would expect to see EJ flying in and out of Denver for a few months until Lynx gets to 100%.

Quoting OnAClearDay (Reply 8):
I was at DIA last night and saw the "LJ" Q400 parked at a gate on the east end of the A concourse. Can hardly wait to see those Lynx babies lined up for passengers. (Was tempted to go for an analogy--Lynx pups lined up, suckling at the A concourse--but thought better of it.)

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Quoting Eghansen (Reply 10):
All it means to me is that Frontier will be swapping one commuter airline flying tiny little planes with no legroom or overhead space for another commuter airline flying tiny little planes with no legroom or overhead space.

Yes, the Q400 doesn't have gobs of overhead space, but the legroom is just as good as the legroom on the A319's if not slightly better.

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RE: Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:11 am



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 2):
Sorry, but I am completely confused. What is JetExpress? N601QX is registered to Horizon Air (QXE - QX). Jet Express is an airline which currently flies no aircraft, and JetExpress at www.jetexpress.com is a charter company that does not fly the CR7. Is JetExpress a marketing name?

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RE: Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Thu Nov 29, 2007 12:44 am



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 2):
According to the Frontier website, the routes flown by affiliated carriers are flying E170 aircraft which are much larger and more comfortable than the E145 or the CR7.

Republic (or "Brickyard") has been flying E-170's into BOI for about 3 or so weeks now.
 
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RE: Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Thu Nov 29, 2007 6:08 am



Quoting ATCGOD (Reply 22):
Republic (or "Brickyard") has been flying E-170's into BOI for about 3 or so weeks now.

Yes, it was just the 10:56 flight from 11/15, but I see now also includeds 0740 trip. Dont know about 1630 or so flight. Know all Republic by 12/1
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RE: Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Thu Nov 29, 2007 1:52 pm

It will still be us flying BOI until Lynx gets certified.
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RE: Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Thu Nov 29, 2007 4:05 pm



Quoting FutureFO (Reply 24):
It will still be us flying BOI until Lynx gets certified.

and most likely afterwards as I don't see BOI going Lynx.
 
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RE: Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:10 pm

BOI I believe is supposed to become a Lynx station.
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RE: Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:35 pm



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 10):
Thanks. Actually, American Eagle is a separate airline, not just a marketing name. But I understand now.

Actually, American Eagle is:

American Eagle operated by:
American Eagle Airlines
and Executive Airlines

so it's both.  Wink
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RE: Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:15 am



Quoting FutureFO (Reply 24):
It will still be us flying BOI until Lynx gets certified.



Quoting FutureFO (Reply 26):
BOI I believe is supposed to become a Lynx station

You both might be correct. If I understand correctly, F9 will be mixing and matching aircraft and departure times to maximize revenue.
 
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RE: Horizon No Longer F9 Jet Express

Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:20 am

Lynx certification should be very close. Spoke with some people at DIA the other day and they were very close to the final runs. I would say immediately you would have the 3 Lynx cities, RAP, SUX and ICT to be flying, while some other cites as listed above, the BIL BOI etc to include some of these flights.

All aircraft should be on schedule to arrive before the end of the year.

I personally think the ski markets are gone for the season, as has been mentioned in several other threads concerning Lynx. The time it takes to open a station doesn't make it worth the while, at least in my opinion, since the ski season really only goes into the march/april time frame, except a few resorts.

Colorado Springs has been mentioned in articles since they announce the hangar to be built there, but no real announcement has been made and it isn't on the schedules yet.