peh
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Virgin Blue Ignores Lessons Of ValuJet Tragedy!

Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:46 pm

This story in this morning's Sydney Morning Herald has my blood BOILING!

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...dent/2007/11/29/1196037074505.html

Twice last year Virgin Blue's maintenance crew transported expired oxygen cylinders on board its passenger jets. Absolutely no, zero, nadda care was taken to secure the trigger pins.

The ValuJet 592 tragedy is still very fresh in my mind and I am mortified that the lessons learnt could be so easily forgotten by Virgin Blue's maintenance crew.

[Edited 2007-11-29 12:47:40]
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RE: Virgin Blue Ignores Lessons Of ValuJet Tragedy!

Thu Nov 29, 2007 8:54 pm

Bad idea. We've all seen the Documentary on Flight 592; lets hope the people who handle and ship oxygen containers have too. The main deck melted and caved during the flight. Terrible.

Shouldn't there be a warning about shipping them on the containers themselves?
 
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RE: Virgin Blue Ignores Lessons Of ValuJet Tragedy!

Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:06 pm

Sad! I hope the ones responsible will be "punished" with 10 hours of watching the documentary of flight 592 again and again...  Angry
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RE: Virgin Blue Ignores Lessons Of ValuJet Tragedy!

Thu Nov 29, 2007 9:09 pm

I am at a loss for words. I can't even begin to say how bad this could have ended up for those passengers. The person who accepted that shipment should be criminally charged. Makes you wonder if they are properly filling out their DG Paperwork, if they were then the person accepting the shipment would have noted the following.

Directly from the IATA Dangerous Goods Regulations Manual

Chemical Oxygen Generators UN3356
Class/Div 5.1 Oxidizer
Packing Group II
Passenger/Cargo Aircraft FORBIDDEN
Cargo Aircraft Only FORBIDDEN

O2 Generators are not allowed on aircraft period! This is an unacceptable error.
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RE: Virgin Blue Ignores Lessons Of ValuJet Tragedy!

Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:07 pm



Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 1):
Shouldn't there be a warning about shipping them on the containers themselves?

Their claim will be they were going on an aeroplane - not a ship !

This is unforgiveable - in an industry where simple errors lead to loss of life, you'd think that 'systemic' errors wouldn't creep in to the handling and freight of dangerous goods. Zero safety culture there then. What sort of licensing does this 'Jet Care' have?

But, being in the safety conscious sector, I know all too well that there are *lots* of things that shouldn't happen, but do... And as long as nothing happens as a result, the 'originator' will believe it is OK to continue doing so...

But then again, I think more people have died in motor vehicle accidents than in aviation history.... Nobody says a word about that... Aviation is so 'sensational'.
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RE: Virgin Blue Ignores Lessons Of ValuJet Tragedy!

Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:13 am



Quoting Speedbird128 (Reply 4):

But then again, I think more people have died in motor vehicle accidents than in aviation history.... Nobody says a word about that... Aviation is so 'sensational'.

True. It should also be remembered that civil aviation is in a rapid expansion period and during rapid expansion, corners will be cut and crashes will happen. Aircraft crashes are today's version of the great train wrecks of the last century. When the railroads were rapidly expanding in the late 19th century, thousands of employees were maimed or killed every year. If an accident killed only employees, their deaths were mentioned only in passing (if at all). Kill a handful of passengers and the story would get brief coverage. Kill a bunch of them and you'd get two or three days of good headlines out of it. Same goes for airplane crashes-the more passengers killed, the more papers you sell.

As for the shipment of the hazmat, evidently the airline dropped the ball and there should be additional scrutiny placed on the maintenance groups. Furthermore, there should be real penalties for violations of the regulations that the Aussies have. Association rules are all and good, but state regulation with penalties that have teeth are much more effective.
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RE: Virgin Blue Ignores Lessons Of ValuJet Tragedy!

Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:02 am



Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 3):
The person who accepted that shipment should be criminally charged.

I completely agree but we'll probably have to wait for another tragedy before that happens. I hope the authorities don't adopt an 'oh well, no harm done' approach.

I'll be following this very closely!
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RE: Virgin Blue Ignores Lessons Of ValuJet Tragedy!

Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:39 pm



Quoting AirTran737 (Reply 3):

Everything you said is absolutely correct. I think they should face an IATA disciplinary hearing, if such a thing exists. And Compensation offered to each of the Passengers and Cabin Crew that were put at undue risk. I would include tech crew, but if it was disclosed to the Captain on his NOTOC, then he is a party to it. If it wasn't then he also should be compensated.
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RE: Virgin Blue Ignores Lessons Of ValuJet Tragedy!

Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:50 am

The thing that gets me is that if a passenger was found to have transported explosive devices in their luggage, the police would be called, arrests made and serious charges laid. Why should this be any different?
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