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Alaska Airlines Gives Discount To Homosexuals

Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:30 pm

Alaska Airlines and Horizon Air have announced a new program that will charge heterosexuals 10 percent extra for their air travel to specific locations during the Christmas season.

The company actually offers the 10 percent as a discount but only if the purchaser obtains the ticket through a "gay" page of the company's website, a location not typically patronized by families seeking travel arrangements, according to an Idaho activist who was distressed by the offering.


Bryan Fischer, of the Idaho Values Alliance, told WND the company boasts of its "nondiscrimination" policies, but, "here they are blatantly discriminating against heterosexuals in their pricing structure."

Word of the discount came through an airline employee, who needed to remain anonymous because of concerns over retaliation. The employee reported the company had sent e-mails out announcing the "very soft launch" of the new promotion.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=58929


Personally, id rather this topic not turn into a debate over whether or not homosexuality is right or wrong. This should be strictly about whether or not this policy is fair... as if there really should be a question at all. As a stright individual, i find this rather unfair to heterosexuals across the country. I'm stright, i'm christian, and i believe what i believe. However, i good friends with someone who is gay and i respect homosexuals. I do not discriminate for or against them. I believe Alaska should abandon this policy and stick to their "proud, nondiscriminatory policies."

[Edited 2007-11-29 14:31:45]
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:33 pm

It's perfectly fair, especially considering that anybody can use the discount. It is targeted advertising, nothing more. Anybody can take advantage of the offer if they book through the "gay travel" website.
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RE: Alaska Airlines Gives Discount To Homosexuals

Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:35 pm

Oh my, what flamebait. Here we go. When the day comes that homosexuals (or gays even) have it better than "strights" we can discuss this. Once all the many laws are removed that are blatantly discriminatory. Let me guess. Landover Baptist?
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RE: Alaska Airlines Gives Discount To Homosexuals

Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:38 pm

I see no problem with it.

I can use the "gay" section of AS's site as quickly as the next person. . . .

No different than AS offering discounts to constituents in Alaska so they can get to Juneau during the Legislative Sessions . . . . "anyone" can get the fare, but the fare is targeted at Alaskans.

Press on AS - just an advertising gimmick.

Quoting NwAflyer07 (Thread starter):
Bryan Fischer, of the Idaho Values Alliance,

http://www.idahovaluesalliance.com/

Check out their web site . . . then you'll understand why Mr. Fischer has his panties in a wad . . . . talk about your uber-right-wing nut jobs . . .  sarcastic 
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RE: Alaska Airlines Gives Discount To Homosexuals

Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:40 pm

"Let me guess. Landover Baptist?"


Nope, Lutheran and proud of it. Seriously, either talk about simply the fairness or unfairness of the issue or dont post at all. I'd suggest deletion on this topic before i sit here and get flamed for saying i RESPECT homosexuals dispite not agreeing with their lifestyle. Thats not the issue at hand here.

[Edited 2007-11-29 14:41:24]
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:41 pm

Well, gosh, I can't see this as anything but trouble in the long run. All kinds of operators offer all kinds of discounts to all manner of groups and associations. Got an AAA card? you get a discount. But how do you justify a discount based on sexual orientation?

I'm suspicious. Is this a set up by somebody?
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RE: Alaska Airlines Gives Discount To Homosexuals

Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:43 pm

It's no different to insurance companies that offer discounts to seniors and women. It is simply targettted advertising to attract new clientele and the fact that anybody gay or straight, can book them (I assume there is no gay test when you try to book!!!) shows that there is no actual discrimination.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:44 pm



Quoting NwAflyer07 (Thread starter):
Personally, id rather this topic not turn into a debate over whether or not homosexuality is right or wrong. This should be strictly about whether or not this policy is fair... as if there really should be a question at all. As a stright individual, i find this rather unfair to heterosexuals across the country. I'm stright, i'm christian, and i believe what i believe. However, i good friends with someone who is gay and i respect homosexuals. I do not discriminate for or against them. I believe Alaska should abandon this policy and stick to their "proud, nondiscriminatory policies."

Starting this thread and then stating that you hope this doesn't turn into a debate over homosexuality is pretty laughable.

Listen -- when my partner of over ten years can benefit from the over 1,100 benefits married heterosexuals receive (income tax benefits, inheritance rights, medical decision-making, etc., etc.) on a federal level, then you can talk about "fairness for heterosexuals".

When the salaries of professional gay men reach parity of heterosexuals (average 10-20% lower than heterosexual counterparts in the same positions - source www.advocate.com), then you can talk about "fairness" for heterosexuals.

I could go on and on. Would you be asking the same question if AA advertised a special on a Spanish-language website? Or a website with a large African-American audience?

Oh -- and bye the way --- I'm Christian too and I think it's obvious I believe something completely different than you.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:45 pm



Quoting NwAflyer07 (Reply 4):
i RESPECT homosexuals dispite not agreeing with their lifestyle.

How very big of you and how very patronising. If you wanted to stay on topic, why did you bring religion into it in your post?
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RE: Alaska Airlines Gives Discount To Homosexuals

Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:45 pm

I wonder who they supported for senator 5 years back.  Yeah sure
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RE: Alaska Airlines Gives Discount To Homosexuals

Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:48 pm



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):
I see no problem with it.

I can use the "gay" section of AS's site as quickly as the next person. . . .

No different than AS offering discounts to constituents in Alaska so they can get to Juneau during the Legislative Sessions . . . . "anyone" can get the fare, but the fare is targeted at Alaskans.

Press on AS - just an advertising gimmick.

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The premise of this thread, that this discount is only available to people of homosexual orientation, is factually incorrect. This thread is straight (no pun intended) flamebait.

This is no different from advertising a sale in a gay-oriented magazine.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:54 pm



Quoting NwAflyer07 (Thread starter):
As a stright individual,



Quoting NwAflyer07 (Thread starter):
I'm stright,

You may have a cse, anything that discriminates against "strights" should be stopped immediately.

Except - I seem to be rather ignorant on this - what is a "stright"?

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Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:56 pm



Quoting Mariner (Reply 12):
"stright"?

Not gy.
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 10:59 pm

Thank you for your respectful post!! In this day and age when everyone screams all the time (assuming that if you yell loud enough for long enough, people will start believing you!), it is nice to see something pointed out calmly and rationally. I hope that will continue here at a.net.

It is true that gay people do suffer discrimination every day in many forms (marraige and its privileges comes to mind); however, two wrongs do not equal a right. Even as someone in the former category, I don't think it is any more acceptable to offer discounts exclusively to homosexuals than it is to offer a discount exclusively to heterosexuals.

Now, on a humorous side note - what would an passenger do if asked to prove the discount applied to them?  rotfl 
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RE: Alaska Airlines Gives Discount To Homosexuals

Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:01 pm

What website is this above??? Is it some bible bashing activist website???? Just look at the topics on the right hand side !!!! The article is mis leading and biased journalism at its worst.

They give a 10% discount for Gay passengers booking on their Gay website . Whats the big deal??? They give discounts to members of their FF program also !!! But do we see people giving out stink because they do not have a AS FF card???

What about the discounts that some coupons have in Supermarkets?? Some people may not shop in Walgreens where AS is giving a 10% coupon !! Should this be axed also ???

I think any normal broadminded person incl myself will see it for what it is and its a non story hyped up by religious freaks!!!

If this was in Europe we wouldnt even be reading about it ......
 
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RE: Alaska Airlines Gives Discount To Homosexuals

Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:07 pm



Quoting OA260 (Reply 15):
If this was in Europe we wouldnt even be reading about it ......

You're kidding? It would make the front page of The Daily Mail.  sarcastic 
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RE: Alaska Airlines Gives Discount To Homosexuals

Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:09 pm

Smart advertising.. lokk at the publicity already...

Quoting AFGMEL (Reply 2):
Let me guess. Landover Baptist?

Do you mean Westboro Baptist?? I can't stand those people
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:12 pm



Quoting Nkops (Reply 16):

Do you mean Westboro Baptist?? I can't stand those people

Ah yes, thanks for that, those are the ones I meant. Landover are the satirists.
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:14 pm

Quoting NwAflyer07 (Thread starter):
The company actually offers the 10 percent as a discount but only if the purchaser obtains the ticket through a "gay" page of the company's website

Good. Well done them for doing something slightly different, if a little bizarre. Positive discrimination is nearly as bad as plain old-fashioned tried-and-tested proper discrimination.

Quoting NwAflyer07 (Thread starter):
according to an Idaho activist who was distressed by the offering.

Distressed? What was there to cause undue distress?! I've been very distressed this week by the load of vile verbal abuse I received from a born-again christian co-worker who I told I was gay. I always do this at new places of work in the spirit of openness, honesty, trust and mutual respect. More fool me.

Quoting Seabosdca (Reply 11):
This thread is straight (no pun intended) flamebait.

I don't mind. It doesn't cost me anything to type a few words of protest!

[Edited 2007-11-29 15:19:36]
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:15 pm



Quoting NwAflyer07 (Thread starter):


Personally, id rather this topic not turn into a debate over whether or not homosexuality is right or wrong.



Quoting NwAflyer07 (Thread starter):

Bryan Fischer, of the Idaho Values Alliance

Um, look who you took this information from.

Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 3):

Check out their web site . . . then you'll understand why Mr. Fischer has his panties in a wad . . . . talk about your uber-right-wing nut jobs . . .

Yup. Not to mention that the website the "news" article was taken from is also an ultra-religious right site.

Quoting NwAflyer07 (Reply 4):
not agreeing with their lifestyle.

= Not agreeing with their natural state of being.

Quoting Nkops (Reply 16):
Quoting AFGMEL (Reply 2):
Let me guess. Landover Baptist?

Do you mean Westboro Baptist?? I can't stand those people

I think the poster meant Landover Baptist. It is a joke church created by an anti-discrimination website.
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:16 pm



Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 13):
Even as someone in the former category, I don't think it is any more acceptable to offer discounts exclusively to homosexuals than it is to offer a discount exclusively to heterosexuals.

You would have a point if the discount were only available to gay people. But it's available to everyone. There is no discrimination here, only target marketing.
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:17 pm



Quoting Scbriml (Reply 15):
You're kidding? It would make the front page of The Daily Mail. sarcastic

I read the Daily Mail and have never seen this type of arguement . People love to bash the Daily Mail and I dont see why . I am adult enough to Ignore the rubbish and that goes for all papers. I also read the Guardian and the Times to get a balance. People should be educated enough to see whats crap and what is true.

Quoting Nkops (Reply 16):
Smart advertising.. lokk at the publicity already...

LOL...too true ......

Quoting PanAm747 (Reply 13):
Now, on a humorous side note - what would an passenger do if asked to prove the discount applied to them? rotfl

A lie detector test .....followed by a quiz !!!!

1/ 50 Cent or Pet shop boys

2/ Terminator or Annie

LOL........
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:21 pm



Quoting OA260 (Reply 21):

1/ 50 Cent or Pet shop boys

Hey now!! I am straight and prefer the PSB to 50 Cent. I am calling the Idaho Values Alliance!!  Silly
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:24 pm



Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 12):
Not gy.

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I knew I was going to get a few laughs out of this thread as soon as I saw the topic.  Smile

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Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:24 pm



Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
Hey now!! I am straight and prefer the PSB to 50 Cent.

Most sensible people would, no matter how straight.  duck 
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:27 pm



Quoting N1120A (Reply 22):
Hey now!! I am straight and prefer the PSB to 50 Cent. I am calling the Idaho Values Alliance!! Silly

Hey its worrying how many Anetters are fans of the Petshop boys LOL...... My sister tortured me with them in the 80's !! That and Erasure!!! Its amazing I turned out relatively ok LOL......
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:30 pm



Quoting OA260 (Reply 25):
Hey its worrying how many Anetters are fans of the Petshop boys LOL

Here's a clue from Non-Av:
The Official 2007 Gay/Striaght/Bi Poll! (by Cakentennis Nov 5 2007 in Non Aviation)

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Quoting Mariner (Reply 26):
Here's a clue from Non-Av:

I know thats where I read it LOL.....

Quoting NwAflyer07 (Reply 4):
i RESPECT homosexuals dispite not agreeing with their lifestyle.

I'm sorry mate but I have to say thats a bit condescending to put it mildly and I have to say that I actually normally enjoy your posts on Aviation !!! Thats like me saying '' I respect you even though your an American'' You just dont say it !!
 
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:46 pm



Quoting NwAflyer07 (Thread starter):
Personally, id rather this topic not turn into a debate over whether or not homosexuality is right or wrong. This should be strictly about whether or not this policy is fair... as if there really should be a question at all. As a stright individual, i find this rather unfair to heterosexuals across the country. I'm stright, i'm christian, and i believe what i believe. However, i good friends with someone who is gay and i respect homosexuals. I do not discriminate for or against them. I believe Alaska should abandon this policy and stick to their "proud, nondiscriminatory policies."

The problem I have is the source that you quote. A neo-conservative website. I dont trust it. Any website that has a political agenda cannot be trusted: period.

Its like going to a white supremacist website for information about Afirmative Action.

Its just twisting the info.
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:47 pm



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 28):
A neo-conservative website.

Actually, it is more of a paleo-conservative site  Wink
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Thu Nov 29, 2007 11:51 pm



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 28):
The problem I have is the source that you quote. A neo-conservative website. I dont trust it. Any website that has a political agenda cannot be trusted: period.

Its like going to a white supremacist website for information about Afirmative Action.

Its just twisting the info.

That was my point also . If it was on LA Times / Fox News / CNN / CBS or any other website that has some sort of reasonable credibility I wouldn't have so much of an issue but just read the agenda on it . Also calling for donations !!!!

I would advise to avoid websites like this . Unless that of course is your thing.
 
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Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 12):
Not gy.

My tummy hurts from laughing at this!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 14):
They give a 10% discount for Gay passengers booking on their Gay website

No...they give a 10% discount for ANYBODY booking on their gay website. Straights, gays, strights, gys, all of us!

Quoting OA260 (Reply 25):
Hey its worrying how many Anetters are fans of the Petshop boys LOL...... My sister tortured me with them in the 80's !! That and Erasure!!!

There's nothing wrong with loving the Pet Shop Boys and Erasure and being stright, I mean straight!  Smile
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Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:38 am



Quoting Mkirch72 (Reply 7):
I think it's obvious I believe something completely different than you

I definitely agree with you there. But thats for a different thread. You wish to discuss? Send me a pm or email. I'd be happy to talk with you.

Quoting AFGMEL (Reply 8):
How very big of you and how very patronising. If you wanted to stay on topic, why did you bring religion into it in your post?

I brought religion into it so the christian-bashing fools could see that it is possible for a Christian to have respect for homosexuals. Unfourtunitly, it didnt work and probably never will.

Would i say the same for airlines advertising special rates for spanish speaking individuals? Yes, i would say it is unfair although there are reasons you can justify doing so. The same reasons that bilingual indivuduals have a higher salary than those who speak one language and the same reasons why in America you can have Black History Month and the Puerto Rican Day Parade but anything hinting towards pride for the Caucasian race is considered white supremecy. Also the same reasons why you should take God out of the pledge, teach evolution as a theory but not creation, allow students to read any book except the Bible during class, and have women make .77 cents to the dollar less than men, etc...

Just because you can justify something dosen't make it fair. Simply put, thats why I said what I said about this new policy Alaska Airlines has.

Quoting OA260 (Reply 30):
I would advise to avoid websites like this . Unless that of course is your thing.

This website is certinaly not my kind of thing. It was the first article I found on this topic so I posted the link to it.
 
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Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:39 am



Quoting ScarletHarlot (Reply 31):
Straights, gays, strights, gys, all of us!

 rotfl 

You're killing me here April . . .

. . . .

This thread is already exhausted itself.

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