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Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:23 am

Qatar Airways will start flights to Houston by mid-2008 according to Akbar Al-Baker. It is forcast to be profitable for the airline as these are two centers of oil producing cities.

The airline plans to expand to many other US cities.

http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topic...sion=1&template_id=57&parent_id=56


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RE: Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:20 am

Great to see QR expanding their US operations, they currently offer some of the cheaper fares on the India-USA sectors!
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RE: Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:10 pm

Outstanding news for an area and airport gaining the international aviation respect it much deserves.....seems recently that IAH is getting monthly news of new international service.  Smile
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RE: Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:25 pm

Good news and good luck to them; any idea of when new European routes might be announced for next year?
 
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RE: Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:27 pm

Got to say thats a beautiful picture in the article there.

How long is DOH-IAH? Fourteen hours? LONG flight.

Quite surprising that they are choosing to use their two class people mover instead of the A346 which has a First Class section. One would assume the yields on this route would be very, very good indeed especially on the premium seats. Admittedly their C class offering is one of, if not the best in the world, but I wonder why no First. Interesting. They either have massive confidence that their C class is up to the requirements of the passengers on the route, or that they want to launch the route quickly (before EK perhaps?) and cannot spare the A346 capacity. Very interesting.

Thinking about the demographic here, most of the types of people flying between DOH and Texas and the oil/gas centres around the Gulf of Mexico who would nominally fly First class on this route probably have private jets, so it may be that the Middle Exec/Junior Director level staff on both sides who project manage so are travelling a lot, are very much C Class "heartland" so to speak, so its easy to understand why there are loads of c class seats. Surprised to see no First at all though.

Will the 77W be payload restricted in either direction at all do we know?

They have 77Ls on order - I wonder if they eventually intend to use the LR there instead when they arrive? One would assume these will have a first class offering on board?
What do you mean you dont have any bourbon? Do you know how far it is to Houston? What kind of airline is this???
 
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RE: Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:39 pm

Looks like EK will not be the only player on the lucrative non-stop mid east route. I wonder if this move will prevent EK from starting double daily to IAH?
How does QR service compare to EK?
 
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RE: Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Fri Nov 30, 2007 12:48 pm



Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 5):
Looks like EK will not be the only player on the lucrative non-stop mid east route. I wonder if this move will prevent EK from starting double daily to IAH?
How does QR service compare to EK

I dont think wild (Arabian) horses will stop EK from doing anything - least of all going double daily to IAH. I fully expect EY to jump on board later as well.

QR has a vastly superior C class product to EK, QR and EK are roughly the same in F (ie: jawdroppingly amazing) and they are roughly the same in the cheap seats, in my opinion.

I think both suffer from occasional slip in standards but are more consistant than EY who are better than both in all three classes when everything goes right - it doesnt happen often enough but they'll get there I'm sure.

Given the choice I'd choose QR over EK but EY if there is a choice of the three.
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RE: Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:10 pm

With EK and now QR adding Houston to their network, can we look for any others?

Ethiad, Kuwaiti ?
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RE: Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:19 pm

So they are using the 77W on the route? I wonder if UA will codeshare on the route as well? So we loose(lost) China and Cayman and gained Emirates and Qatar. I hope the routes last, showing other carriers that IAH is a station that needs nonstop routings vs. timely stopovers to be successful (ahem...PK, GF, CI). Now if we could FINALLY lock down Korean it would be a very good 2008 indeed.
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RE: Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:49 pm

This has been in the rumor mill for some years now, glad to finally see one rumored IAH newcomer actually coming too fruition (are you listing Air India,,,,Korean...?), This certainly makes the upcoming departure of CI less painful. Now let's hope that EK and QR put butts into those seats making these 2 carriers IAH regulars, along with the likes of KL, AF, LH and BA.

Nice goin HAS, scoring too Persian Gulf carriers in less than a year, not too shabby.

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RE: Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:53 pm

Really great news for QR and Houston.

QR see a major expansion this latest years and forthcoming. It grows really fast.

Just for a few days ago they started the service to ARN from DOH.
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RE: Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:54 pm



Quoting STT757 (Reply 7):
With EK and now QR adding Houston to their network, can we look for any others?

Ethiad, Kuwaiti ?

There was a thread/posting a year or so back that implied an upcoming KU service, but I have heard nothing since. As for EY, I don't believe that they ever shown any interest in IAH.

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RE: Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:20 pm



Quoting 102IAHexpress (Reply 5):
How does QR service compare to EK?



Quoting Thomasphoto60 (Reply 11):
There was a thread/posting a year or so back that implied an upcoming KU service, but I have heard nothing since. As for EY, I don't believe that they ever shown any interest in IAH.

KU is in a very deep difficult situation. They are looking for fast fleet leases, and their planes show signs of aging and constant technical difficulties. So, they will not consider Houston for the time being unless they get new planes to replace the ones they have, and other ones for replacements.
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RE: Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:56 pm



Quoting QatarA340 (Thread starter):
It is forcast to be profitable for the airline as these are two centers of oil producing cities.

Qatar? Oil? Qatar hardly produces any oil, I think its around 600,000 barrels a day...the lowest quota in OPEC. Qatar's raison d'etre is natural gas. I guess the point of this route is to serve the oil-traffic from the region as opposed to the oil barons already in Doha. I presume the same is true for Emirates and their DXB-IAH route.
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RE: Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:03 pm

Houston is no slouch in the natural gas sector either though. I'm just anxious to see how the two carriers are going to coexist - plus once CO 787s come online - things could get interesting and or ugly. Kind of off topic but do you guys think that KE is awaiting 787s to start IAH service?
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RE: Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:10 pm

I find it interesting we haven't heard anything from Houston Airport System (HAS) yet.
 
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RE: Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:19 pm

It'll have to be mostly connecting pax over DOH since the DOH market is miniscule, and with EK in the market to DXB and beyond, what advantages does QR have over EK in terms of network beyond their respective hubs?
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RE: Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:54 pm

QR would use their B 77Ls for this route so the question is when will they be delivered? QR states that by mid 2008 IAH would begin, but will 2 B 77Ls be delivered by then to them to launch daily flights?

If not then we might see an A 346 being used via Europe to IAH as this aircraft cannot fly DOH-IAH nonstop !
 
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RE: Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Fri Nov 30, 2007 5:57 pm



Quoting CHRISBA777ER (Reply 4):
Will the 77W be payload restricted in either direction at all do we know?



Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 8):
So they are using the 77W on the route?

Where does it say that they'll use the 77W? The article only says they'll use it on DOH-IAD, but doesn't mention the aircraft to be used on DOH-IAH.
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RE: Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:18 pm



Quoting A342 (Reply 18):
Where does it say that they'll use the 77W?

It doesn't says that, but it is going to be a non-stop service so it has to be the 77W, because their A346 cant do that service non-stop.
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RE: Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:45 pm

Some very interesting comments by Al-Baker in this Flight article:

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...ater-acquisition-for-regional.html

- Looking for a new 100 seat regional aircraft, with the E-jets, Canadair CRJ, Mitsubishi regional jet and in particular, the new C-series being mentioned, since the latter will come into service around the time QR wants them.
- QR has decided not to exercise options on remaining A346s and its likely that these aircraft will be phased out before the A330s (around 2011-12, I'm guessing, from the article)
- The A330s will begin to be phased out around the time that the last 787s arrive.
- A new leasing company, Oryx Leasing, is to be set up to handling leasing of the "older" acft in the QR fleet as they're being phased out. He's talking about a lifetime of only about 5-10 years in the fleet?!!
 
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RE: Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:49 pm



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 20):
Looking for a new 100 seat regional aircraft, with the E-jets, Canadair CRJ, Mitsubishi regional jet and in particular, the new C-series being mentioned, since the latter will come into service around the time QR wants them.

That is really interesting.

If QR goes for the Mitsubishi jet, which I doubt, it will be a major boost for Mitsubishi.
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RE: Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:54 pm



Quoting B747forever (Reply 19):
It doesn't says that, but it is going to be a non-stop service so it has to be the 77W, because their A346 cant do that service non-stop.

Not really. The A346HGW and the 77W have almost exactly the same range. If one aircraft can't do it, there's a 99% chance the other can't either.

DOH-IAH is 7000nm, quite a stretch for both aircraft if QR wants a meaningful cargo capacity westbound. I bet the 77L will be used.
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RE: Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:55 pm



Quoting A342 (Reply 22):
DOH-IAH is 7000nm, quite a stretch for both aircraft if QR wants a meaningful cargo capacity westbound

That is true, therefore they will use the 77L
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RE: Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:09 pm

 cry  ................another route we can't fly due to lack of a/c
 
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RE: Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:45 pm



Quoting AirxLiban (Reply 13):
Qatar? Oil? Qatar hardly produces any oil, I think its around 600,000 barrels a day...the lowest quota in OPEC. Qatar's raison d'etre is natural gas.

Let's not nitpick at the semantics. NG can be liquefied and guess what it's the same core of companies involved in both resources.

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RE: Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:43 am

Great news for IAH. I wonder what the flight times will be? Terminal D airlines need more company!
 
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RE: Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:03 am



Quoting CALMSP (Reply 24):
................another route we can't fly due to lack of a/c

Please...you think CO would actually start a route from IAH? I think it would be EWR with "convenient" 1 stop service from IAH.

Personally, I fly to IAH on a monthly basis from Europe and I have been going out of my way to avoid CO. I paid more to fly BA LGW-IAH next week. CO focuses all its energy into EWR and is missing the boat big time on a lot of routes that you see other airlines starting such as DXB or DOH to IAH. You know DL is starting ATL-LOS soon? Arik Air filed for LOS-IAH recently as well. If CO were to start service to LOS do you think it would be from IAH or EWR? I am most certain it would be EWR. CO is my favorite US airline to fly domestically but I will not connect through EWR and their European routes are quite limited from IAH.
 
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RE: Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:09 am



Quoting COflyerBOS (Reply 38):
Great news for IAH. I wonder what the flight times will be? Terminal D airlines need more company!


Well, EK's skeds show arrivals sometime around 4:30PM, so it would not surprise me to see a similar arrival time for QR. If I am not mistaken, most of the Euros tend to arrive and depart around the same 1-2 hour time frame. If memory serves, PK usually arrived around 4PM (correct me if I am wrong IAH Spotters).

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RE: Qatar Launches Houston Mid-2008

Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:54 am

Glad to see some more expansion. EK, additional AF Cargo, and now QR. Awesome. Cayman wasnt really a big loss as Continental serves the run to Grand Cayman from IAH and China Airlines...well we werent too sure of their loads to begin with.

To add to the rumor mill, I spoke with an EVA rep the other day walking around the airport and it looks like their loads are awesome. He anticipates another weekly flight in mid-2008.

Quoting Drerx7 (Reply 14):
Houston is no slouch in the natural gas sector either though

Yea Houston is pretty strong in all the energy markets. (which is good for our economy since the US seems to be in a little slump).

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