LHBSL
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LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:47 pm

Hi

LH will fly from next year to two new destinations in China. Should be "near" Beijing and "near" Shanghai. Anybody know the names of the towns?
Thanks for the answers¨!

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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Fri Nov 30, 2007 2:49 pm

Tianjin and Nanjing is the two biggest cities near to Beijing and Shanghai.
Hong Kong is not China. Not better or worse, just different.
 
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Fri Nov 30, 2007 3:54 pm



Quoting LHBSL (Thread starter):
LH will fly from next year to two new destinations in China

I wonder where they would get the aircraft from.

LH will receive 8 new widebodies in 2008 (5 333s and 3 346s) + and they use 1 more converted A300, now used on ADD, KHT, KHI, LHE. So let's say 9 new a/c compared to summer 2007.

But if they do not have any changes to their 2007 summer schedule plus the already announced new flights they pretty much used all their new a/c for:

FRA-KHI-LHE
FRA-MCO
FRA-SEA
FRA-YYC
DUS-ORD
DUS-YYZ
DUS-EWR
MUC-SIN
MUC-BOM (has this been confirmed yet?)
MUC-EWR upgrade from Private Air

Not all of these flights are daily, so maybe 1 is still available. I do not know how many additional converted 300s will LH add for 2008 and if through optimizing fleet utilization LH could free up a/c.
But from my point of view, unless they cut other flights, there is not much more expansion possible in 2008.
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:16 pm

Could these new destinations be served as tag-ons to existing services to either PEK or PVG?
 
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:42 pm



Quoting LH506 (Reply 2):
MUC-BOM (has this been confirmed yet?)

No, this is not confirmed as current bilateral does not allow this.
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Fri Nov 30, 2007 4:59 pm



Quoting LH506 (Reply 2):
MUC-BOM (has this been confirmed yet?)
MUC-EWR upgrade from Private Air



Quoting BlrBird (Reply 4):

afaik, muc-ewr goes daily, 333
muc-bom 4weekly, 343


the bilateral should not be a problem as Air India is due to join *A
 
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Fri Nov 30, 2007 6:54 pm



Quoting TKfan (Reply 5):
muc-bom 4weekly, 343
the bilateral should not be a problem as Air India is due to join *A

Do you mean to say they are going to use AI rights on this route?
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:10 pm



Quoting YLWbased (Reply 1):
Tianjin and Nanjing is the two biggest cities near to Beijing and Shanghai.

Tianjin I can see, what about Suzhou?
 
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Fri Nov 30, 2007 7:44 pm



Quoting Col (Reply 7):
Tianjin I can see, what about Suzhou?

Suzhou doesn't have an airport, but it's not far away from NKG. However pretty doubtful that LH would send a plane to NKG which isn't exactly an industrial or financial center, and the Asian international connections are very limited, I don't know if you go go anywhere but HKG?. HGH is more likely as it is close to manufacturing districts in Zhejiang province and the port of Ningbo. However still very unlikely in my opinion - still only a couple of hours away from PVG.

What "near" means is the good question. In China distance terms, WUH is not that far away from Shanghai, seems more likely.

Regarding Beijing, Tianjin is close. Really close, especially considering the public transportation improvements made in relation to the Olympic Games. Other options are Dalian or Qingdao.

I believe that the only one of these airport standing a chance would be WUH...If they would open an international route close to other airports currently served, they should definitely go SZX even though they are already in CAN and HKG.
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:00 pm



Quoting CPH757 (Reply 8):
Beijing, Tianjin is close. Really close

OK, in Km distance yes, but the horrendous traffic situation makes a trip from TSN city to PEK airport a journey of around 3+ hours, then, if you have an international flight, you must be 2-3 hours prior to the flight at the airport, so resumee, you have to calculate 6-7 hours to go by car from TSN city to PEK airport prior to your flight.

Then, if you have a longhaul flight to FRA, + around 11 hours, and as in my case, +12 hours to GRU, +3 to VVI and +0:45 to CBB. If I could take a TSN/FRA/TSN conex I certainly would prefer it to PEK. Not calculated are waiting times between flights.

To those not familiar with TSN: It is a major industrial center in China with proximity to one of the major ports of China, Xingang. Xingang deals with most North-China export shipments.
 
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:21 pm



Quoting Cyba (Reply 3):
Could these new destinations be served as tag-ons to existing services to either PEK or PVG?

AFAIK one of the two wil be a tag-on with PVG
 
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:36 pm



Quoting LH506 (Reply 2):
MUC-EWR upgrade from Private Air



Quoting TKfan (Reply 5):
afaik, muc-ewr goes daily, 333

That flight is already operating, but for a few weeks this winter it'll be reduced to 5x/week.
Exceptions confirm the rule.
 
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:46 pm



Quoting 123 (Reply 9):
OK, in Km distance yes, but the horrendous traffic situation makes a trip from TSN city to PEK airport a journey of around 3+ hours, then, if you have an international flight, you must be 2-3 hours prior to the flight at the airport, so resumee, you have to calculate 6-7 hours to go by car from TSN city to PEK airport prior to your flight.

Sure, the traffic can be horrible, but notice that I mention the upcoming improvements in connection to the Olympic Games. A 300 km/h fast speed train between Beijing and Tianjin is supposed to be inaugurated before the Games, and from Beijing another expressway and a lightrail system to the airport will be opened. With 120 km between Beijing and Tianjin, this will improve the travel time dramatically between the two cities within the next year.

I'm not sure whether there is a market for this particular route, unless LH need to upgrade PEK heavily anyway. That's one of the big advantages with opening in China. All the big cities have very frequent and comprehensive domestic services, making them attractive for transferring.
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:48 pm



Quoting CPH757 (Reply 12):
A 300 km/h fast speed train between Beijing and Tianjin is supposed to be inaugurated before the Games, and from Beijing another expressway and a lightrail system to the airport will be opened

Thanks, I was not aware of that.
 
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Fri Nov 30, 2007 8:48 pm



Quoting LHBSL (Reply 10):
AFAIK one of the two wil be a tag-on with PVG

LH flies
FRA-PVG-MNL
MUC-PVG

during the winter. The second FRA-PVG does not operate anymore. Does anybody know why?

This means a tag on would only be possible on the MUC flight, the second FRA comes back or MNL would have to be a tag on the Guangzhou flight as in the past. How many hours does the plane stand around in PVG??
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:00 pm



Quoting LH506 (Reply 14):
The second FRA-PVG does not operate anymore. Does anybody know why?

They didn't got a slot at a reasonable time.
 
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Fri Nov 30, 2007 9:25 pm



Quoting LHBSL (Reply 15):
They didn't got a slot at a reasonable time.

Is PVG really slot constrained, or are we talking "political slots"?
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Fri Nov 30, 2007 10:23 pm



Quoting LH506 (Reply 14):
LH flies
FRA-PVG-MNL
MUC-PVG

during the winter. The second FRA-PVG does not operate anymore. Does anybody know why?

This means a tag on would only be possible on the MUC flight, the second FRA comes back or MNL would have to be a tag on the Guangzhou flight as in the past. How many hours does the plane stand around in PVG??

LH went back to doing MNL via CAN after only a short period of time in PVG.

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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Fri Nov 30, 2007 11:42 pm



Quoting CityAirline (Reply 17):
LH went back to doing MNL via CAN after only a short period of time in PVG.

That is correct. I'm booked on LH788 26th January and LH789 10th February, and we have a 1h15m stop-over in CAN both ways.

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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:11 am



Quoting BrisseDK (Reply 18):
That is correct. I'm booked on LH788 26th January and LH789 10th February, and we have a 1h15m stop-over in CAN both ways.

If you're lucky, you'll get to fly one of the 346s with the newly installed PTVs.  Wink
On a side note, I'm booked to MNL on January 24th (February 15th), although on LH, CX and KL.

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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Sat Dec 01, 2007 1:54 am

My money is on NKG and SHE;
Could see NKG non-stop and SHE tagged-on to either a Japan-flight or a Korea-Flight


LH732/733 FRA-PVG-FRA was only additional capacity offer during summer sched. and is discontinued ever since winther sched.
MNL is being served via CAN and as far as I know will be discontinued with the beginning of summer sched.
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Sat Dec 01, 2007 2:06 am

I relatively high speed rail link is already in operation between Beijing and Tianjin. It takes 1 hour 15 min and costs only 42 RMB (3.8EUR) one way. Compare that to the cost of travelling between Frankfurt and Cologne these days!! I would have thought that it would have been better to push for more frequency to Beijing.

Regarding Tianjin Airport, try this link:

http://www.airport-technology.com/projects/tianjinbinhai/
 
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Sat Dec 01, 2007 3:19 am

TSN: option for LH Cargo? Either them direct or via their Chinese subsidiary Jade International?
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Sat Dec 01, 2007 5:46 am

What about Dalian ? City of 6 million on the Yellow Sea with huge manufacturing and tourist industry.
 
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Sat Dec 01, 2007 6:54 am

DLC could be an option, too.
Somehow I expect it to be SHE and NKG, though; due proximity to PVG and PEK;
5/7 NKG and 3/7 SHE (tagged on to PUS-MUC, maybe? or additional SHE-ICN-MUC?)
Or tag SHE onto the NGO-FRA flight;
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:56 am



Quoting Lp0815 (Reply 20):
MNL is being served via CAN and as far as I know will be discontinued with the beginning of summer sched.

Why will MNL be discontinued?
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:15 am

The MNL flight via CAN will still be there according to LH's timetable for summer 08. And as for new routes for 08, don't forget DUS-MIA 6/w with A343 starting 10/26/08

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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:26 am



Quoting BrisseDK (Reply 18):
That is correct. I'm booked on LH788 26th January and LH789 10th February, and we have a 1h15m stop-over in CAN both ways.

I flew this last week FRA-CAN-MNL and back. No PTVs on the A346s I was on.

I've done this flight a few times, and until I flew it, I never understood why they had a stop in CAN. I assumed it was just for refueling, but every time I've been on this flight, more than half the plane boards/deplanes at CAN, so it is indeed a popular destination for LH. Adding other destinations in China does make sense.
 
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:28 am

eventhough it is not close to PVG or even PEK I would also consider CTU / Chengdu in this 'race'. It is a 11-million city with a big industry. companies like Intel, Motorola, SAP, SonyEricsson are located here.

anyhow my personal bet goes to SHE in the northeast, too.

Quoting Lp0815 (Reply 24):
(tagged on to PUS-MUC

PUS is already a tag-on to ICN, so no chance of a two-tag-on flight.

Quoting Lp0815 (Reply 24):
Or tag SHE onto the NGO-FRA flight;

the loads to any Japanese airport are always high enough to support a non-stop flight. especially to NGO LH is the only possible European carrier on a daily basis. AY is the other European carrier serving this city, but only four times a week and HEL is not the best point in Europe to connect due to its location.
if we talk about KIX, there is also AF and KL from CDG and AMS on a daily basis serving that city. take into account that I only mentioned the European carriers as JL serves some cites in Europe from these airports.
 
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:36 am



Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 28):
HEL is not the best point in Europe to connect due to its location.

What? AY's long-haul business is almost entirely based on connections through HEL, which for flights to the Far East is perfectly situated for many destinations. Check out the Great Circle mapper . . .
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:40 am



Quoting LHBSL (Thread starter):
LH will fly from next year to two new destinations in China. Should be "near" Beijing and "near" Shanghai.

Forgot to ask, what's your source?
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In Chin

Sat Dec 01, 2007 10:55 am

Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 29):

What? AY's long-haul business is almost entirely based on connections through HEL, which for flights to the Far East is perfectly situated for many destinations. Check out the Great Circle mapper . . .

if you flying to Northern Europe than YES, it is good located, but this covers only (in my eyes) the Scandinavian countries and some Eastern European countries. anyhow a flight on a 4-weekly basis only is not the best Business-men-choice these days. Business people always prefer a daily flight to be flexible on the date.
even though you can't ignore the better location of FRA in the middle of Europe if considering connex. cities like LHR, AMS, CDG, MXP, FCO, MUC, BUD, VIE, ZRH, PRG are in the range of max. 1,5 hrs flight time.
From HEL even one of the closest of the above mentioned ones let's say AMS is at least 2,5hrs away.
As I said before, if you connect to a Scandinavian city, than HEL would be your choice, in all other cases no-way.

[Edited 2007-12-01 02:56:24]

[Edited 2007-12-01 02:57:44]
 
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:27 pm



Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 31):
From HEL even one of the closest of the above mentioned ones let's say AMS is at least 2,5hrs away.
As I said before, if you connect to a Scandinavian city, than HEL would be your choice, in all other cases no-way.

Yes, but you forget to realise that even though HEL may be further from most points in Europe in comparison to FRA, it is that much closer to Asia. Therefore, using the example of AMS that you mentioned, here is the typical schedule of AMS-NGO with AY (via HEL) and LH (via FRA), and even though not a huge difference you will see that travelling through HEL is actually quicker, therefore you are wrong!

AMS - HEL 1155 - 1520 2h25m
HEL - NGO 1715 - 1000+1 9h45m Total Journey Time: 14h5m

NGO - HEL 1200 - 1510 10h10m
HEL - AMS 1640 - 1810 2h30m Total Journey Time: 14h10m

=== vs ===

AMS - FRA 1040 - 1150 1h10m
FRA - NGO 1355 - 0925+1 11h30m Total Journey Time: 14h45m

NGO - FRA 1055 - 1515 12h20m
FRA - AMS 1610 - 1720 1h10m Total Journey Time: 14h25m
 
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:27 pm

As user LP0815 mentioned this sounds more as if we are talking about LH Cargo. For them Tianjin and Nanjing might be interesting destinations (or better origins...)
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Sat Dec 01, 2007 12:49 pm



Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 31):
if you flying to Northern Europe than YES, it is good located, but this covers only (in my eyes) the Scandinavian countries and some Eastern European countries.

As I suggested, check the Great Circle mapper and you'll see that HEL is only a minor deviation off the best route for a large area of Europe, not just Scandinavia.
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:37 pm

Is there a particular reason why the criteria must include cities near Beijing and Shangahi?

I know LH has expressed interest in opening several cities in China but some of the top of the list aren't near the 2 largest centres:

- Chongqing
- Chengdu
- Nanjing
- Shenzhen
- Xiamen
- Xi'an

Other cities that can be very interesting to watch for:

- Hangzhou
- Tianjin
- Dalian
- Qingdao
- Wenzhou

I remember several months ago (and please don't ask me when and where I had read this), but I have a vague memory of LH being quoted specifically mentionning Hangzhou, Chengdu and Chongqing. It was during the time Air France/KLM were serving Nanjing, and I remember being surprised that LH was to skip competing on the Nanjing route and rather opt to open a different route to China.

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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:38 pm



Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 31):

if you flying to Northern Europe than YES, it is good located, but this covers only (in my eyes) the Scandinavian countries and some Eastern European countries. anyhow a flight on a 4-weekly basis only is not the best Business-men-choice these days.
[Edited 2007-12-01 02:57:44]

As said here, don't believe your eyes, check the Great Circle Map  Wink It even tells that HEL is closer to SYD than any other hub in EU, against all odds.
Other time savers are the quick transit at still relatively small HEL and less crowded air space here in up north, compairing to Central-Europe. NRT, KIX and NGO are Finnair's 'money machines', majority of the passengers are Japanese, travelling to the European destinations via HEL.
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:25 am



Quoting Kogge (Reply 33):
As user LP0815 mentioned this sounds more as if we are talking about LH Cargo. For them Tianjin and Nanjing might be interesting destinations (or better origins...)

OK, TSN is a definite cargo-only option for now; new pax destination will NOT be TSN (makes SHE more likely);
Would even think that TSN for now is more likely to be served by JI rather than LH Cargo; I wonder if they will have enough imports into TSN to support the flight. Maybe the upcoming Airbus assembly line in TSN will do the trick here?

Quoting LH506 (Reply 25):
Why will MNL be discontinued?

I am not completely sure why LH pull out of MNL, guess it is related to low yields and CAN being more and more able to support the flight alone (at higher yields per ASK);
EK entering the MNL market sure does not help, either.
I think there was no official word from LH on this yet, might be that I am wrong, therefore; but I am quite sure that they will pull out.
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:44 am



Quoting BlrBird (Reply 6):

Dont know when Air India enters *A, but its out of the schedules for S08 of LH out of FRA and MUC.

And there are also no new destinations in China beside PEK, PVG, CAN
 
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:46 am



Quoting Lp0815 (Reply 37):
EK entering the MNL market sure does not help, either.

I travelled LHR-MNL on EK back in about 1995 - presumably they've operated the route consistently since then?

At that time, there were two routes - DXB-BKK-MNL and DXB-HKG-MNL, each operating 3-4 days a week, I think. I went out on one and back on the other.
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:55 am



Quoting DavidByrne (Reply 39):
I travelled LHR-MNL on EK back in about 1995 - presumably they've operated the route consistently since then?

At that time, there were two routes - DXB-BKK-MNL and DXB-HKG-MNL, each operating 3-4 days a week, I think. I went out on one and back on the other.

Thanks for pointing that out, I stand corrected;
heard that it had to do with decreasing yields and increased competition and EK was mentioned, so I figured they had only recently entered the MNL market.

Quoting TKfan (Reply 38):
And there are also no new destinations in China beside PEK, PVG, CAN

The routes are not yet confirmed, so no wonder that they are not in the schedule yet.
Is a new SIN-MUC route in?
There has been talk about that route, but have heard nothing about that ever since.
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In Chin

Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:16 am



Quoting Lp0815 (Reply 40):
The routes are not yet confirmed, so no wonder that they are not in the schedule yet.
Is a new SIN-MUC route in?

I know, everything might be changed, as of now there are only those three; if you count HKG, four cities in China being served by LH.

MUC-SIN is in the sheds 5/7 with an A343
 
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:47 am



Quoting Andaman (Reply 36):
Quoting Stylo777 (Reply 31):

if you flying to Northern Europe than YES, it is good located, but this covers only (in my eyes) the Scandinavian countries and some Eastern European countries. anyhow a flight on a 4-weekly basis only is not the best Business-men-choice these days.
[Edited 2007-12-01 02:57:44]

As said here, don't believe your eyes, check the Great Circle Map It even tells that HEL is closer to SYD than any other hub in EU, against all odds.

One quick example:
LHR-HEL-PEK 4415 nm.
LHR-FRA-PEK 4571 nm.
 
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Sun Dec 02, 2007 6:58 am



Quoting CPH757 (Reply 16):
Is PVG really slot constrained, or are we talking "political slots"?

PVG has been operating beyond its limit already. The currently terminal opened in 1999. I would think LH giving up PVG slots is to make room for LX which originally planned flights to start in March. PVG T2 however is scheduled to open as early as April which I would expect LH to resume some of its flights.
 
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Sun Dec 02, 2007 8:09 am



Quoting TKfan (Reply 41):
MUC-SIN is in the sheds 5/7 with an A343

Thanks!
Do you have the timings for this flight and the flight number?
Time waits for nobody
 
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RE: LH Is Concidering Two New Destinations In China

Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:29 pm

Now I got more precise information:

Nanjing:
FRA-NKG 5/7 with A340-300 from 31.Mars

Shenyang:
MUC-(ICN)-SHE 3/7 with A340-300 from 8.June

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