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Who Get's The Next A380?

Sat Dec 01, 2007 7:24 pm

Well, you have read the question. Also, when will it be delivered? Is there a website?
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sat Dec 01, 2007 7:59 pm

SQ get the second and third A380's. The second will be delivered early January and the third in Feburary.
 
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:02 pm

Second A380 will be delivered to SQ as 9V-SKB, in March 2008.
Third ship also to SQ as 9V-SKC, in April 2008.
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:05 pm

That is pretty slow, isn't it? I mean, from october 2007 to april 2008 and only 3 deliveries. Imagine how long it will take to deliver 150 of them! Not in our lifetimes! they DO plan on increasing production speed, right?

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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:11 pm



Quoting Bruce (Reply 4):
they DO plan on increasing production speed, right?

Yes. From 1 a year in 2007 to 45 a year in 2010(?)
 
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:19 pm

Quoting Bruce (Reply 4):
they DO plan on increasing production speed, right?

Airbus expects to deliver 13 A380s in 2008, 25 in 2009 and 44 from 2010 onwards.

Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 2):
Second A380 will be delivered to SQ as 9V-SKB, in March 2008.
Third ship also to SQ as 9V-SKC, in April 2008.

That is later then the last data I read (January 2008 for 9V-SKB and February for 9V-SKC). Is there a delay in outfitting or securing their individual production certificates?

[Edited 2007-12-01 12:20:09]
 
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:29 pm



Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 2):
Second A380 will be delivered to SQ as 9V-SKB, in March 2008.
Third ship also to SQ as 9V-SKC, in April 2008.
Regards.

As Stich has said, it is later than I have heard. I believe SQ are wanting to start SIN-LHR in March, and they will need 3 aircraft to do that and the currant SYD rotation.
 
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:31 pm



Quoting Stitch (Reply 5):
Airbus expects to deliver 13 A380s in 2008, 25 in 2009 and 44 from 2010 onwards.

Onwards til when? With the firm orders Airbus currently has for the A380, they will all be delivered by the end of 2012.
 
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:46 pm

So what is the next airline to get the A380, be it no.4.
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:49 pm



Quoting Captaink (Reply 8):
So what is the next airline to get the A380, be it no.4.

QF???
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:54 pm

I thought Emirates was the next carrier to receive an A380?
 
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:57 pm

According to Wikipedia, Emirates are getting the 4th, 6th and 8th delivery, with Singapore airlines getting the 5th, 7th and 9th. QF don't get one until the 10th, which they are expecting in August 2008.
 
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sat Dec 01, 2007 8:58 pm

Bruce, they play it safe, that´s why. Sure they deliver 150 within a few years.
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:07 pm



Quoting Kaitak (Reply 10):
I thought Emirates was the next carrier to receive an A380?

You are right, EK is he carrier that will get the 4th A380.
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:27 pm



Quoting 474218 (Reply 7):
Onwards til when? With the firm orders Airbus currently has for the A380, they will all be delivered by the end of 2012.

Oh please  Yeah sure

There will be more orders coming in. The A380 will keep airbus busy for years to come.
 
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sat Dec 01, 2007 9:58 pm



Quoting 474218 (Reply 7):
Onwards til when? With the firm orders Airbus currently has for the A380, they will all be delivered by the end of 2012.

June of 2013, as I recall.

But yes, to sustain that production level will require a steady influx of new orders.
 
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:31 am



Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):
June of 2013, as I recall.

But yes, to sustain that production level will require a steady influx of new orders.

According to the Airbus web site they have firm orders for 165 A380's.

1 delivery in 2007, 13 in 2008, 25 in 2009, 45 in 2010, 2011, and 2012 = 174. So my original statement stands.

Quoting 474218 (Reply 7):
With the firm orders Airbus currently has for the A380, they will all be delivered by the end of 2012.

 
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:00 am



Quoting 474218 (Reply 16):
According to the Airbus web site they have firm orders for 165 A380's.

I would focus more on order intake rate. This year has been better than most, with 37 new orders & commitments (and unfortunately, 10 cancellations by UPS). That's not like other A & B models this year, which are more often than not gathering orders at twice the production rate, but it's not too far off 45 per year, especially since it's early yet. Then again, it's a cyclical industry, currently at its peak...

Bottom line: Airbus has plenty of time before they need to consider whether to cut back production.
 
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:13 am



Quoting 474218 (Reply 16):
1 delivery in 2007, 13 in 2008, 25 in 2009, 45 in 2010, 2011, and 2012 = 174. So my original statement stands.

No. Not everyone takes planes as soon as they can be built. There have been some 2013 deferrals as well as some original delivery schedules through 2013, so that means that they have FREE SLOTS in 2012, possibly even a couple in 2011, though i think EK may have just ordered those extras basically filling in those slots. They won't post until Airbus updates their spreadsheet next week.

I think they have 185+ firm A380 orders now.
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:25 am



Quoting Stitch (Reply 15):

But yes, to sustain that production level will require a steady influx of new orders.

I would suspect there is no assumption on anyone's part that Airbus will maintain 45 units per year forever. It's normal for the production rate to go up and down (over a several year cycle).

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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 2:30 am



Quoting 474218 (Reply 7):
Onwards til when? With the firm orders Airbus currently has for the A380, they will all be delivered by the end of 2012.



Quoting 474218 (Reply 16):
According to the Airbus web site they have firm orders for 165 A380's.

1 delivery in 2007, 13 in 2008, 25 in 2009, 45 in 2010, 2011, and 2012 = 174. So my original statement stands.

Well, if you really want to play at semantics, it's pretty self-explanatory......onwards until the last one is delivered!!
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:43 am



Quoting 474218 (Reply 16):
According to the Airbus web site they have firm orders for 165 A380's.

They actually have 193 firm orders. Airbus only updates their order sheet on a monthly basis, and then only after the final paperwork is signed.

So they have 154 planes left to deliver starting in January of 2010, which at a delivery rate of 44 per annum, is exactly 42 months. So that would be June of 2013.

Quoting Tdscanuck (Reply 19):
I would suspect there is no assumption on anyone's part that Airbus will maintain 45 units per year forever. It's normal for the production rate to go up and down (over a several year cycle).

Of course.  Smile
 
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:07 am

The tentative delivery dates for the second, third, and fourth WhaleJets are 8 January, 8 February, and 8 April (all to SQ as 9V-SKB, 9V-SKC, and 9V-SKD).
 
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:13 am



Quoting Stitch (Reply 21):
They actually have 193 firm orders.

Have you read the Airbus web site, it states 165, but then it could be wrong.
 
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:14 am



Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 2):
Second A380 will be delivered to SQ as 9V-SKB, in March 2008.
Third ship also to SQ as 9V-SKC, in April 2008.



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 22):
The tentative delivery dates for the second, third, and fourth WhaleJets are 8 January, 8 February, and 8 April (all to SQ as 9V-SKB, 9V-SKC, and 9V-SKD).

So who's right?
 
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:28 am



Quoting 474218 (Reply 23):
They actually have 193 firm orders.

Have you read the Airbus web site, it states 165, but then it could be wrong.

The latest official number (including November) appears to be 177. BA and Marsans have yet to firm. Maybe in December?
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:29 am



Quoting WingedMigrator (Reply 24):
So who's right?

Despite my tendency to be cynical in all things, I've heard these dates from both Airbus and SQ (most recently two days ago) so, I think there is a good chance this either is now or was very recently the plan.
 
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:57 am

With two new A380s for SQ in 2008, does this mean we will see one at SFO anytime soon?
 
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:06 am



Quoting Apollo13 (Reply 27):
With two new A380s for SQ in 2008, does this mean we will see one at SFO anytime soon?

Huh? SQ should be getting four or five WhaleJets in 2008. The soonest we might see service at SFO would be late 2008.
 
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:57 am



Quoting Thegeek (Reply 11):
According to Wikipedia, Emirates are getting the 4th, 6th and 8th delivery, with Singapore airlines getting the 5th, 7th and 9th. QF don't get one until the 10th, which they are expecting in August 2008.

THIS IS WRONG. I have a friend who works for Airbus and she said that QF will be getting the A380 second and EK third.
 
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 1:52 pm



Quoting SandroZRH (Reply 14):
Oh please Ã�'Æ'â€�...¡Ã�'‚ 

There will be more orders coming in. The A380 will keep airbus busy for years to come.

If the numbers are on. This has yet to be determined. Every bus since the 320/330 has underperformed. There may very well be more orders. However, no new carriers in quantity until we see real numbers from SQ, EK. Carriers are going to be required to put 550-600 pax in this bird to make anything.

Your premise is correct however.......... even 165 orders will keep Airbus busy for years.

Still waiting for SQ fuel burn numbers...........
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:00 pm



Quoting 474218 (Reply 23):
Have you read the Airbus web site, it states 165, but then it could be wrong.

Yes I did. But, as I noted, Airbus does not update their order book in "real time", but only at the end of every month.

So the 165 frames was the A380 order total as of October 31, 2007.

Within two weeks it should show the total as of November 30, 2007 and that total should be between 165 and 193 (depending on how many of those 28 new orders Airbus and the customer have signed purchase agreements for).
 
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 3:50 pm

Howdy.

Emirates will get thier first one in August 2008.
Some of the first A380 deliveries for Emirates will be.
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 4:27 pm



Quoting Haan (Reply 32):
Emirates will get thier first one in August 2008.

That was the plan, but I'm now hearing June or July from sources at Airbus. We'll see.
 
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:05 pm



Quoting AeroplaneFreak (Reply 29):
I have a friend who works for Airbus and she said that QF will be getting the A380 second and EK third.

One would expect the planes to go into finishing at XFW roughly in delivery order. Currently, XFW has three SQ frames, one EK frame and zero QF frames. No QF frame has yet flown.

Quoting Stitch (Reply 31):
Within two weeks it should show the total as of November 30, 2007 and that total should be between 165 and 193

Again, the official November total is 177.
 
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:55 am



Quoting Thegeek (Reply 45):
Noticed another interesting feature of the A380 today. If you fill up the fuel tanks, you have approximately 248t of fuel, an OEW of 276t and an MTOW of 560t. That leaves only 34t for payload, or only 340 pax and their bags. It seems that the MTOW is far too low, and/or the fuel tanks are too big (can anyone say why I'm wrong here?)

It's not unusual for an aircraft to be unable to lift both full payload AND full tanks, in fact most can't. The extreme example I know of is the Cessna 402 10 seat piston engined twin. If you have all fuel tanks main, aux & nacelle installed and full you can carry a pilot, provided he's not a big guy, and his lunch unless its a hot day!

As far as the A380 goes it's MTOW is 569t. On your basis thats 43t or roughly half of max payload. Thats about 430 pax, again on your figures above. This is close to the actual seats installed. It can carry that 43t about 8250 nm, which is further than SIN-LAX (7621 nm) and a lot further than HKG-SFO (6019 nm). Of course LAX-SIN would be somewhat restricted, but SFO-HKG should be OK.

MTOW = 569t FAA Type certificate Data Sheet No A58NM @ http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory...C7707862572B30053568E?OpenDocument

Range Chart @ http://www.content.airbusworld.com/S.../docs/AC/DATA_CONSULT/AC_A380.pdf.

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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:01 am



Quoting Glideslope (Reply 30):
Carriers are going to be required to put 550-600 pax in this bird to make anything.

And what exactly does that statement mean...?


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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:33 am



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 28):
Huh? SQ should be getting four or five WhaleJets in 2008. The soonest we might see service at SFO would be late 2008.

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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:44 am



Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 49):
SFO via HKG or via ICN?

Probably SIN-HKG-SFO. The number of days per year with a tech stop at TPE should be reduced somewhat. SQ would very much like to eliminate those tech stops completely, but nothing flying today has the combination of low CASM and long range that would be needed. The A350 should remedy that for SQ.
 
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RE: Who Get's The Next A380?

Mon Dec 03, 2007 7:36 pm



Quoting Zvezda (Reply 50):
The A350 should remedy that for SQ.

Or the 789.  wink 
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