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Airbus On MH A380 Order & AirAsia X A350s

Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:15 am

Airbus COO Mr John Leahy has spoken to reporters at an exhibition in Langkawi, Malaysia. He covered quite a bit about the current status of order expectations from Malaysian carriers.

On Malaysia Airlines:

Airbus expect to finalise 6 x A380s for MH within the next "30 to 60 days" this includes compensation for late delivery.

MH may not take delivery of their first A380 in 2009 as originally scheduled

MH is also in negotiations with Airbus to increase their existing A380 order.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/feedarticle?id=7127773

A seperate, subscriber only service, reported the statement on further frames.

*AIRBUS IN TALKS WITH MALAYSIAN AIR ON EXTRA ORDER OF A380s [fair use Bloomberg]

On AirAsia X

Confirms that Airbus are in negotiations for 25 + 25 x A350s which as Mr Fernandes stated was the RFP issued by them.

Dec. 5 (Bloomberg) -- AirAsia X Sdn., partly owned by Richard Branson's Virgin Group Ltd. and AirAsia Bhd., is in talks with Airbus SAS to order 25 A350 planes, Airbus Chief Operating Officer John Leahy said today.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=adzOGPvLGPLs

Seems as though AirAsia X have the RFP set at 25 + 25 and not a full 50 "firm" to start with. No timeline is given on the expected date of the order and nor has the 787-10 been ruled out according to more in depth reports.

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RE: Airbus On MH A380 Order & AirAsia X A350s

Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:22 am

It has certainly been rumoured here several times that the MH order for A380s would lapse. It's good to have it confirmed that these doom-mongers were wrong.

What form do we think "compensation for late delivery" might take?

And any thoughts as to the likely engine for MH's A380s?
 
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RE: Airbus On MH A380 Order & AirAsia X A350s

Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:31 am



Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
MH may not take delivery of their first A380 in 2009 as originally scheduled

Do you think that this has been negotiated with another airline - allowing the places in the queue to be shunted as they're scheduled to get MSN018 which I imagine is already being built?
 
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Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:45 am



Quoting PM (Reply 1):
It has certainly been rumoured here several times that the MH order for A380s would lapse. It's good to have it confirmed that these doom-mongers were wrong.

I am by all means not a doom-monger, but I still cant think of any possibility how MH will fill those planes. Not without a dedicated expansion of their international network for which I doubt they have the money. For LHR - KUL - SYD 6 to 8 planes will do, but how many seats will this route support....  crazy 
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RE: Airbus On MH A380 Order & AirAsia X A350s

Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:59 am

Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
Airbus COO Mr John Leahy has spoken to reporters at an exhibition in Langkawi, Malaysia. He covered quite a bit about the current status of order expectations from Malaysian carriers.

Very interesting reports. Will be good to see the final outcome. Also a rather nice surprise to see MH interested in increasing their A380 order.  Smile

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RE: Airbus On MH A380 Order & AirAsia X A350s

Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:06 am

Well, "30 to 60 days", that puts us in 2008 so let's take a look at what the order book of the A380 for 2008 may look like:

These are the upcoming orders, if one is to believe multiple well-informed sources:
-) additional A380s for AF according to its CFO
-) additional A380s for MH according to Bloomberg
-) A380s for AI according to several sources
-) A380s for TAM according to a Brasilian aviation source which has tipped us off about other orders in the past
-) A380 for NH
-) and then their still is LH which hasn't placed a follow up order for A380s yet, despite them explicitly saying -during the A380/LH route proving flights- they always do so if they commit to a plane. With production slots filling rapidly, 2008 might be a good year for them to do it, or they won't get the additional planes before the second half of next decade!

2008 hasn't started yet, yet it sure looks like Airbus will have no problems delivering on its promise to get 2 new customers and more than 20 orders per year. This year they got at least 3 and 30... next year even more?

[Edited 2007-12-05 01:10:59]
 
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RE: Airbus On MH A380 Order & AirAsia X A350s

Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:19 am



Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
Airbus expect to finalise 6 x A380s for MH within the next "30 to 60 days" this includes compensation for late delivery.

doesn't MAS already have 6 A380's on order! so if understand well, if that 6 more frames are firmed up, it's 12 A380's...great news.  bigthumbsup  and would expect Thai to do the same..one day.
 
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RE: Airbus On MH A380 Order & AirAsia X A350s

Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:29 am

TG and MH will be looking South at their competition in SIN. The old products on a 744 will not compete with the 380. Maybe SQ might go for the MH production slots!!!!
 
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Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:35 am



Quoting Worldrider (Reply 6):
doesn't MAS already have 6 A380's on order! so if understand well, if that 6 more frames are firmed up, it's 12

I'm pretty sure this is a much-delayed reconfirmation of the original order. So it's still 6.
 
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Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:37 am



Quoting Macc (Reply 3):
I am by all means not a doom-monger, but I still cant think of any possibility how MH will fill those planes. Not without a dedicated expansion of their international network for which I doubt they have the money. For LHR - KUL - SYD 6 to 8 planes will do, but how many seats will this route support....   


I'm sure MEL could support it as well, I could seem them ultimately going for 3 flights daily sometime.
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RE: Airbus On MH A380 Order & AirAsia X A350s

Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:38 am

Thanks for the news PanAm_DC10.
The forum has been a little quiet lately.

I expect the A380, especially when the -900 is launched, to be very successful.
I think we'll see much more than 20 orders a year. In fact I think the delivery and orders per year will be very much in balance.
 
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Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:40 am

In the meantime AirAsia and Airbus hves confirmed AK´s latest A320 order for 25+25 for a total of 175+50 A320s.
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RE: Airbus On MH A380 Order & AirAsia X A350s

Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:41 am



Quoting PM (Reply 8):
I'm pretty sure this is a much-delayed reconfirmation of the original order. So it's still 6.

i should have read the article first..oops
 
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RE: Airbus On MH A380 Order & AirAsia X A350s

Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:50 am



Quoting WINGS (Reply 4):
Very interesting reports. Will be good to see the final outcome. Also a rather nice surprise to see MH interested in increasing their A380 order.

Would not be a surprise if MH increase to 8 firm orders, with discount for the 2 additional frames.
Seems to be Airbus usual way to compensate the A380 customers.
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RE: Airbus On MH A380 Order & AirAsia X A350s

Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:57 am

No words about MH future orders ? 787 ? A350 ? 77W ? 737/A320 ?
 
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Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:55 am

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Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:05 pm



Quoting PM (Reply 1):
And any thoughts as to the likely engine for MH's A380s

Gee! That is hard to call since MH is predominantly a PW operator.

744 PW
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RR may get the nod given that the seventeen 772s are powered by RR 892 engines
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Wed Dec 05, 2007 12:36 pm



Quoting Swallow (Reply 16):

RR may get the nod given that the seventeen 772s are powered by RR 892 engines

That MH chose RR for their 777s over PW and that the T900 is the engine of choice on the A380 leads me to agree with you.  bigthumbsup 
 
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RE: Airbus On MH A380 Order & AirAsia X A350s

Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:04 pm



Quoting Macc (Reply 3):
I am by all means not a doom-monger, but I still cant think of any possibility how MH will fill those planes. Not without a dedicated expansion of their international network for which I doubt they have the money.

That could be why they are looking at a deferment.

It is looking like every airline that ordered an A380 is going to take them - likely with a few extra copies. Between their own unrecoverable investments in the plane, facilities and support infrastructure and whatever inducements Airbus is offering to both keep and expand their order, all of the customers likely have come to the conclusion it is cheaper to take them then reject them.

If they cannot use them now, then they'll defer them for as long as they can and hope they will work out. If they don't, then you fly them at below capacity, lower fares to fill them, try and sell or lease them to someone else, or just park them - just as they have done for other planes during the "slack times" over the decades.
 
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RE: Airbus On MH A380 Order & AirAsia X A350s

Wed Dec 05, 2007 1:17 pm



Quoting Macc (Reply 3):
I am by all means not a doom-monger, but I still cant think of any possibility how MH will fill those planes. Not without a dedicated expansion of their international network for which I doubt they have the money. For LHR - KUL - SYD 6 to 8 planes will do, but how many seats will this route support....

LHR could use A380s. And they have only ordered 6 remember.
 
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Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:38 pm



Quoting Macc (Reply 3):
but I still cant think of any possibility how MH will fill those planes

KLM works closely with MH, I flew MH last month from AMS to New Zealand and back and I couldn't believe how many Dutch use MH for onward codeshare flights to SE Asia, Australia and New Zealand, popular destinations KLM (no longer) flies with own metal. Their 744s to AMS were packed in and outbound. I am sure they can fill a A-380 to Amsterdam.
Weird that MH is not a member of SkyTeam yet, they'd fit in nicely. Air France don't seem to like them while they also don't fly much to the Australasia region if at all.
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RE: Airbus On MH A380 Order & AirAsia X A350s

Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:13 pm

today Air Asia has firmed up 25 A320, previously announced, they now have 175 of them on order
 
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RE: Airbus On MH A380 Order & AirAsia X A350s

Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:33 pm

PanAm_DC10, Thanks for the info!

Quoting PM (Reply 1):
It has certainly been rumoured here several times that the MH order for A380s would lapse. It's good to have it confirmed that these doom-mongers were wrong.

 checkmark  This could be an important 'vote of confidence' for the A380.  spin 

Quoting Slz396 (Reply 5):
additional A380s for AF according to its CFO

 wideeyed  Really? I missed this snippet. Does anyone have photos of the terminal 2E/2F satellites that are being built to accommodate A380's?

Quoting Swallow (Reply 16):
Gee! That is hard to call since MH is predominantly a PW operator.

One can hope!  hyper 

Quoting PM (Reply 17):

That MH chose RR for their 777s over PW and that the T900 is the engine of choice on the A380 leads me to agree with you.

Fingers in ears... naaa naaa naaa. I can't hear you!  Wink

Personally, the engine orders that start coming in after BOTH engines have been in service for a year will tell a big tale. Not to mention... I still believe most of the A380 deliveries will be A380-900's.  Wink

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RE: Airbus On MH A380 Order & AirAsia X A350s

Wed Dec 05, 2007 3:49 pm



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 5):
additional A380s for AF according to its CFO



Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 22):
Really? I missed this snippet.

I am surprised so few people picked it up the first time I pointed it out too:

http://www.airliners.net/discussions...51&s=Air+France+A380+CNN#ID3716951

Sadly the link on CNN itself is no longer active.
 
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RE: Airbus On MH A380 Order & AirAsia X A350s

Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:04 pm



Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
MH may not take delivery of their first A380 in 2009 as originally scheduled



Quoting Scouseflyer (Reply 2):
Do you think that this has been negotiated with another airline - allowing the places in the queue to be shunted as they're scheduled to get MSN018 which I imagine is already being built?

That's true, I have already seen a photo of MSN 018 taken in TLS (and had even put a link of it on a previous post but I don't find it anymore). So, what the heck are they doing with it?
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:11 am

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 20):
Weird that MH is not a member of SkyTeam yet, they'd fit in nicely. Air France don't seem to like them while they also don't fly much to the Australasia region if at all.

Care to elaborate on this statement? Not being antagonistic, just trying to work out what you actually mean. In what way does AF not like MH... and do you mean AF or MH doesn't fly much to Australasia? Which airline are you referring to?

Seeking some clarity. Cheers.

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Quoting Quetzal (Reply 25):
Care to elaborate on this statement? Not being antagonistic, just trying to work out what you actually mean. In what way does AF not like MH... and do you mean AF or MH doesn't fly much to Australasia? Which airline are you referring to?

Seeking some clarity. Cheers.

AF has made the choice to codeshare to Australia with QF via SIN,
while KL is codesharing to Australia with MH via KUL.
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RE: Airbus On MH A380 Order & AirAsia X A350s

Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:09 am



Quoting Macc (Reply 3):
I am by all means not a doom-monger, but I still cant think of any possibility how MH will fill those planes. Not without a dedicated expansion of their international network for which I doubt they have the money. For LHR - KUL - SYD 6 to 8 planes will do, but how many seats will this route support....



Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 20):
KLM works closely with MH



Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 20):
Weird that MH is not a member of SkyTeam yet, they'd fit in nicely

Well, if I am not mistaken, MH was going to drop most of its European destinations with the exception of LHR and the SkyTeam hubs of AMS, CDG and FCO. In this sense, if they get closer to SkyTeam (i.e., if MH deepens its codeshare ties with KL, AF, AZ et al), the A380 might prove a great aircraft to use on KUL-SkyTeam hubs routes to funnel passengers to these airlines' hubs, and to fly to KUL passengers originating in other European cities making a stop in said hubs. My 2 cents.
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RE: Airbus On MH A380 Order & AirAsia X A350s

Thu Dec 06, 2007 2:19 am



Quoting PanAm_DC10 (Thread starter):
MH is also in negotiations with Airbus to increase their existing A380 order.



Quoting Macc (Reply 3):
I am by all means not a doom-monger, but I still cant think of any possibility how MH will fill those planes. Not without a dedicated expansion of their international network for which I doubt they have the money.

For now they might not needed it as their BTP calls for a lot of rationalisation, which is presently happening for now. The fact that they have reduced the KUL-LHR flights from 3 to 2 daily, says a lot about over capacity on this route. By adding an A380 won't help. However, once MH gets back on their feet (whenever that may be), I hope they will be wise enough to make the KUL-USA flights daily. This might help assign some A380s to work since they have 6 (and maybe more with the impending "extra" order).

I hope by holding on to their A380 orders, it is a sign of some slither of foresight which the airline seems to lack, and not some "I'll have what they are are having" charade. Fingers crossed for Idris Jala, think ahead please.

Quoting Chrisrad (Reply 9):
I'm sure MEL could support it as well, I could seem them ultimately going for 3 flights daily sometime.

Unless the yield for Melbourne is improved, it is unlikely the MAS A380 would even set foot there unless it is a weather diversion from SYD. For MAS, the most likely Aussie destination to provide them a reason to have a 3-class service is SYD - and even with that they do struggle sometimes. Based on this virtue, I doubt MAS would allow their flagship A380 to be any less of an aircraft that a 3 class one.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 20):
I flew MH last month from AMS to New Zealand and back and I couldn't believe how many Dutch use MH for onward codeshare flights to SE Asia, Australia and New Zealand, popular destinations KLM (no longer) flies with own metal. Their 744s to AMS were packed in and outbound.

Once again.... Yield. A packed aircraft filled with discounted bargain basement fares originating in AMS does not mean squat for MAS.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 20):
Air France don't seem to like them while they also don't fly much to the Australasia region if at all.



Quoting Quetzal (Reply 25):
In what way does AF not like MH... and do you mean AF or MH doesn't fly much to Australasia? Which airline are you referring to?

Air France was intrumental in preventing MAS' entry into Sky Team.

Final notes. There are very few destinations in MAS network that can support a First Class service. And even if they do, another challenge for them would be to create demand for it to fill the A380. For now, the most probably destinations would be London, Sydney and Los Angeles. Stretching my imagination a little further, perhaps Tokyo and Amsterdam (although I am not too sure how KLM would feel about their SE Asian partner offering a far superior product on their home turf).

Otherwise, the rest of the network is largely leisure-oriented. The airline cannot afford another image over haul to change the perception of the travelling public, something that they should have done 20 years ago when they introduced this present livery. That being said, their present marketing campaign should see them through this tough time to get out of the doldrums and after that is achieved, a serious thought should be given to increasing the snob factor of the airline to raise their corporate profile, instread of being the butt of jokes in the region.
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Quoting Asiaflyer (Reply 26):
AF has made the choice to codeshare to Australia with QF via SIN

And also through HKG if I'm not mistaken.
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Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:16 am

MH has good inflight products and service. If they would be an active major alliance member I think they could fill the 380s. Otherwise it may be a stretch for them given the proximity to the SQ hub.
 
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Thu Dec 06, 2007 4:49 am

Thank you PamAm_DC10 for this wonderful thread on our little LIMA air show in Langkawi.

Quoting FCKC (Reply 14):
No words about MH future orders ? 787 ? A350 ? 77W ? 737/A320 ?



Quoting AF022 (Reply 15):
Will MH be retiring their 747s?

MH announced its financial result for 3Q2007 recently and according to them, they will finalize the new fleet for replacement of their B734s, A332/3s and probably B744s 'soon'. It has been delayed many times.

MH has an accumulated net profit of MYR 610 million for 9 month ended 30 September 2007, well ahead for a fully turned around operation this year.

Quoting MEA-707 (Reply 20):
KLM works closely with MH, I flew MH last month from AMS to New Zealand and back and I couldn't believe how many Dutch use MH for onward codeshare flights to SE Asia, Australia and New Zealand, popular destinations KLM (no longer) flies with own metal. Their 744s to AMS were packed in and outbound. I am sure they can fill a A-380 to Amsterdam. Weird that MH is not a member of SkyTeam yet, they'd fit in nicely. Air France don't seem to like them while they also don't fly much to the Australasia region if at all.

I was on MH 16/17 KUL-AMS-KUL in October 2007 and indeed, the loads were outstanding. I am not sure about the yield but I did see the F cabin being occupied.

Should MH proceed with the 6 A380s, it will be interesting to see where this aircrafts will be deployed. LHR (reduced capacity by MH from 3 daily non stop to 2 daily non stop on B744, with BA expessed interest to revive LHR-KUL via SIN), SYD (reduced capacity/downgraded from '2 daily non stop on B744 and B772ER' to '1 non stop and 1 via BNE daily on B744s'), MEL (reduced capacity/downgraded from '2 daily non stop on B744 and B772ER' to 2 daily non stop B772ERs') or AMS (good loads but not yield, 1 daily non stop B744).
 
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Quoting Lightsaber (Reply 22):
Fingers in ears... naaa naaa naaa. I can't hear you! Wink

Would it help if I shout?

MALAYSIAN WILL CHOOSE ROLLS-ROYCE FOR THEIR A380s!

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Quoting PM (Reply 32):
MALAYSIAN WILL CHOOSE ROLLS-ROYCE FOR THEIR A380s!

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Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:25 pm



Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 28):
For now, the most probably destinations would be London, Sydney and Los Angeles

Amsterdam certainly would support the A380 better than London or LA.

I tried to book an AMS-KUL return in F but had to fly LHR-KUL as flights out of AMS were fully booked in F two months ago. I boarded flights MH3 and MH4 LHR-KUL-LHR and was the only passenger in F on both flights. The crew told me then that the A380 had been delayed if not cancelled, as quote "..look around you, we're not doing very well even to London...'

They seemed rather upset but the service was top-notch inflight.

Ground service however was truly appalling - their First Class counter at KL Sentral even refused to check me in as he wanted his tea break.. and i was the only person in his queue. He sent me to the Economy line before putting his 'desk closed' notice up and then chatted with his colleagues for 20mins whilst I queued almost missing my train/flight.

Check-in at LHR was also zoo-like with passengers from Golden Club queue barging - a GC passenger decided to lie to me by asking to step ahead of me as he and his wife were in First Class and therefore should have priority. I told him i was also in First so asked what gave him the right to push in front of me - he didn't answer - the check-in staff heard and saw all this but said nothing... then issued him with Golden Club passes (!)... i didn't care too much though - as I KNEW I was in First so "push all you like - I'm still in 1A, you scuzzy chavs!!!"

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Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:57 am



Quoting Quetzal (Reply 35):
No doubt you are referring to AF. Can anyone explain to me why this is? I am not familiar with the history of any animosity between AF and MH.



Quoting 9MMAR (Reply 34):
Recently MH announced that they will not be joining any alliance for the next 5 years. So no Skyteam at least until 2012. The A380s would be perfect if MH is in Skyteam, unfortunately. I guess this is probably due to a 'NO WAY' from a (you know who) European airline. MH is partnering KL and AZ.

I have not heard of any specific animosity between AF and MH. AF has historically considered SIN to be the gateway to Malaysia. SIN appears to be a successful station for the airline, something it would naturally want to protect. As such, it is hardly surprising if AF views MH with caution due to the nature and proximity of MH's KUL hub. While MH appears to be digging itself out of years of financial losses (brought about by years of overexpansion/megalomania), its direction remains unclear. This, after all, is an airline that still thinks of operating the A380 while it is parking/selling B747s due to overcapacity.

Skyteam or not, I still think the leap to A380 capacity is too great. For now, AMS appears to be the longhaul station in greatest need of additional capacity, but there should be room for additional frequency. At the moment, the CDG flight is still mostly operated with a B772. FCO is still 3x or 4x weekly.

MH is planning to unveil a new transformation plan early next year (January?). Perhaps by then we will have an answer to the A380 question, and hopefully a clearer idea of what the airline aims to become.
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:15 am

Yep, SkyTeam would certainly seem to be the right fit for MH. I wish they would join. Frequent flyer programs motivate a lot of buying decisions for the most profitable seats on the plane. MH has the product/service mix to be competitive and a nice (relatively) new airport hub... but who is going to go out of their way to fly MH when SQ is competitively priced and "next door" and in an big alliance?

I think if MH got into SkyTeam it would also be a big assest for SkyTeam, who is weak in Asia/Pac.
 
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RE: Airbus On MH A380 Order & AirAsia X A350s

Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:40 am



Quoting Changyou (Reply 39):
Whatever happened to the Malaysia airlines threat? That was going very successful...

What threat was MAS going to pose? I think you were referring to the "thread"...

Quoting MAS777 (Reply 40):
Ground service however was truly appalling - their First Class counter at KL Sentral even refused to check me in as he wanted his tea break.. and i was the only person in his queue. He sent me to the Economy line before putting his 'desk closed' notice up and then chatted with his colleagues for 20mins whilst I queued almost missing my train/flight.

Hmm... I would have taken down his name and lodged a formal complaint. Such attitudes is indeed very 3rd world.
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RE: Airbus On MH A380 Order & AirAsia X A350s

Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:14 am

"thread"...
yes of course I meant Thread... Wink.
Anyway was speaking to an MH captain and he mentioned MH wanted PNB to convert the 380s to 320s for their narrowbody conversion but airbus rejected the request. More so becuase they wanted the 380s to sell. Therefore MH/PNB is also in a tough position. The company knows their over capacity problems if they take the 380s.
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:17 am



Quoting QantasHeavy (Reply 42):
I think if MH got into SkyTeam it would also be a big assest for SkyTeam, who is weak in Asia/Pac.

For now, Korean Air plus that gap pretty well. What Skyteam lags is the SE Asian - Australia coverage. I wonder what are the parameters with regards to MAS' entry into the alliance that makes it so challenging for Air France (assuming they ARE indeed the once opposing the entry) to accept?

Star Alliance only has SQ to cover Australia and needless to say, it is One World territory down under.
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RE: Airbus On MH A380 Order & AirAsia X A350s

Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:31 am

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Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 45):
Star Alliance only has SQ to cover Australia

I think THAI covers Australia too for Star Alliance. Just that its not as big as SQ.
 
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RE: Airbus On MH A380 Order & AirAsia X A350s

Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:55 am

This is definitely good news and perhaps a 'milstone' for MH that indicates they have progressed with their turnaround as they planned! ... Cannot wait till this order is finalised!

As everyone stated above, i foresee major success with the A380 at AMS, in terms of loads i suppose.

I think that what MH needs (and it has been discussed b4), is to normalize its network, and boost those much needed frequencies into dailies. This could solve a lot of issues and perhaps make the A380 a much needed plane at MH!

MH is a fantastic airline! and perhaps with them is when i'll hop on board my first A380  Smile

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RE: Airbus On MH A380 Order & AirAsia X A350s

Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:20 pm



Quoting CHANGYOU (Reply 46):
Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 45):
Star Alliance only has SQ to cover Australia

I think THAI covers Australia too for Star Alliance. Just that its not as big as SQ.

NZ has good coverage of Australia as well; just not from Asia. Yes, Thai serves PER/MEL/SYD/BNE. Nice new equipment/products to MEL/SYD and regional product to PER/BNE (just like CX and SQ).

Quoting Ryanair!!! (Reply 45):
For now, Korean Air plus that gap pretty well. What Skyteam lags is the SE Asian - Australia coverage. I wonder what are the parameters with regards to MAS' entry into the alliance that makes it so challenging for Air France (assuming they ARE indeed the once opposing the entry) to accept?

KE is only useful to SE Asia if you originate in the US. For European/Middle East/India going all the way to Korea and then doubling back several hours to SE Asia is not practical. BKK, SIN, KUL and even HKG are much better placed for that.

SkyTeam is weak in Australia... limited KE service and CO Mic into CNS. + Going from Australia to almost anywhere via ICN is out of the way, in terms of most AU traffic (US/UK/SE and central Asia)

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