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New Ilfc Placements: New A340-600 Operator!

Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:15 pm

B737s

Brussels Airlines: 1 B737-400
Sterling Airlines: 1 B737-700, 1 B737-800
Centralwings: 3 B737-400
Belavia: 2 B737-500
Jet Airways: 1 B737-800
Jet Lite: 1 B737-800

B757s

Air Baltic: 2 B757-200ER

B767s

Aerosvit Airliners: 1 B767-300ER

B777s

Air Canada: 1 B777-300ER

B787s

Air Berlin: 3 B787-800

A319

Chonquing Airlines: 3 A319

A320

TAM: 1 A320
National Air Service: 4 A320
Spanair: 1 A320
East Star Airlines: 2 A320

A340

China Hainan Airlines: 3 A340-600

Not many surprises, just one: a new A340 customer
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RE: New Ilfc Placements: New A340-600 Operator!

Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:20 pm



Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
China Hainan Airlines: 3 A340-600

Will these come off lease from CX?
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RE: New Ilfc Placements: New A340-600 Operator!

Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:21 pm



Quoting A342 (Reply 1):
Will these come off lease from CX?

Yes.
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RE: New Ilfc Placements: New A340-600 Operator!

Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:27 pm

Hainan seems to have some ambitious growth plans. They've just taken delivery of their first A330-200; where will they be flying the widebodies to?

Not much time left to fly on the CX aircraft!
 
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RE: New Ilfc Placements: New A340-600 Operator!

Wed Dec 05, 2007 6:53 pm

Oh dear~ Would be the worst looking A346 ever in those horrible red/yellow dabs of paint...

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RE: New Ilfc Placements: New A340-600 Operator!

Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:09 pm



Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
B757s

Air Baltic: 2 B757-200ER

Do they currently have B757's. What will these aircraft be used for?
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RE: New Ilfc Placements: New A340-600 Operator!

Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:11 pm



Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
China Hainan Airlines: 3 A340-600

I know they're talking A330, but I'd love to see this operating PEK-SEA this summer if the route gets its approval.

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 4):
Oh dear~ Would be the worst looking A346 ever in those horrible red/yellow dabs of paint...

No way! That's going to be a slick looking piece of metal!
 
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RE: New Ilfc Placements: New A340-600 Operator!

Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:26 pm



Quoting Gunsontheroof (Reply 6):
No way! That's going to be a slick looking piece of metal!

Agreed.

Quoting Humberside (Reply 5):
Do they currently have B757's. What will these aircraft be used for?

IIRC, they'll use them for their (relatively far) charter destinations, such as Hurghada or the Canaries, just like AY.
 
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RE: New Ilfc Placements: New A340-600 Operator!

Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:30 pm

Looks like Air Berlin wil be the largest European operator of the 787 with 25 purchased and 3 leased! I wonder why they didn't exercise some of their options?
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RE: New Ilfc Placements: New A340-600 Operator!

Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:31 pm

I thought that there was some word on the street that CX was going to keep the A346 for some more time.

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RE: New Ilfc Placements: New A340-600 Operator!

Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:40 pm



Quoting NYC777 (Reply 8):
I wonder why they didn't exercise some of their options?

Exercising options would not give them as early deliveries as ILFC ones?
 
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RE: New Ilfc Placements: New A340-600 Operator!

Wed Dec 05, 2007 7:54 pm

Those photos really highlight the difference in length between the A332 and A346!
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RE: New Ilfc Placements: New A340-600 Operator!

Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:15 pm



Quoting Danny (Reply 10):
Exercising options would not give them as early deliveries as ILFC ones?

I think you're right as AB is getting it first 787 from Boeing ins 2013 and the first leased 787 from ILFC in 2011 so exercising options would be for slots after 2013.
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RE: New Ilfc Placements: New A340-600 Operator!

Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:44 pm

Great news! I think that A340-600 is going to look HOT!
 
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RE: New Ilfc Placements: New A340-600 Operator!

Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:51 pm



Quoting Irobertson (Reply 13):
Great news! I think that A340-600 is going to look HOT!

Absolutely! Great to see a new operator of the looong and beautiful A340-600, though not a new costumer.. CX has obviously decided to turn the A346 page. Welcome to the 77W!

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RE: New Ilfc Placements: New A340-600 Operator!

Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:53 pm



Quoting Humberside (Reply 5):
Do they currently have B757's. What will these aircraft be used for?

Nope, 735 is currently their largest. Quite a jump to the 757. Maybe they will be used to Almaty and Yerevan.

CPH could probably fill the 757, maybe HEL and ARN as well.

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RE: New Ilfc Placements: New A340-600 Operator!

Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:16 pm

What wil Zeke be driving if CX are dumping the long pencils.

On another note, is it just me or is the the 77W the new 'long one'? It seems a little longer than the A346.
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RE: New Ilfc Placements: New A340-600 Operator!

Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:33 pm



Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 16):

On another note, is it just me or is the the 77W the new 'long one'? It seems a little longer than the A346.

The 77W is a little shorter than the A346. The latter is 75.362 meters long, compared to 73.86 meters for the 77W. The 748 will be the new long one, at 76.3 meters.
 
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RE: New Ilfc Placements: New A340-600 Operator!

Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:35 pm



Quoting Norcal773 (Reply 16):
What wil Zeke be driving if CX are dumping the long pencils.

The fat long sausage (773) perhaps CX nowadays regretfully gets? Though I would prefer the 744 anytime.

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 4):
Oh dear~ Would be the worst looking A346 ever in those horrible red/yellow dabs of paint...

I respectfully disagree. The Hainan colours are among the better liveries from "Red" China. If looking for a bad Chinese livery, see the flag carrier with their ancient dull colours scheme, or China Northern.
 
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RE: New Ilfc Placements: New A340-600 Operator!

Thu Dec 06, 2007 12:24 am

Yes, these are the ones from CX, I was given the option to sell them for 5 year leases a few months ago... We tried to sell them off to Sri Lankan and a few other airlines. These units are the ones with the weight issues and it never materialized. I am happy that a sale has gone through for those. I never thought they will ever find a home...the way the offers were going...the lease prices were quite cheap on these units as well. Right now I am pushing 4 a340-500's...for a few airlines as well...they are new and are being sold...for a good price as well...
 
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RE: New Ilfc Placements: New A340-600 Operator!

Thu Dec 06, 2007 1:19 am



Quoting NA (Reply 18):
The fat long sausage (773) perhaps CX nowadays regretfully gets?

You mean the the same 77# that's beating the sales pants off the A346? Yeah they're regretting buying it! NOT!
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RE: New Ilfc Placements: New A340-600 Operator!

Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:39 pm



Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 4):
Oh dear~ Would be the worst looking A346 ever in those horrible red/yellow dabs of paint...

Just imagine ....................... this ....................................... on this

I agree, those white liveries with the typical color-on-tail-and-tip-of-fuselage-only are disgusting designs. Zero class or elegance. Chinese airlines have very sharp liveries but some are starting to get the ugly and boring eurowhite lookalike schemes.

The A346 looks best when the fuselage has color like in Cathay, China Eastern, Iberia. This plane isn't exactly "pretty" to begin with, so it needs all the help lol

The A346 is even complicated to photograph on the ground, if one is too near the plane comes out bent, nevermind the egines appear as big as the fuselage if one doesn't give it enough distance.  thumbsdown  Definitely not going to cry about airlines getting rid of it Big grin

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RE: New Ilfc Placements: New A340-600 Operator!

Thu Dec 20, 2007 3:53 pm



Quoting NYC777 (Reply 8):
Looks like Air Berlin wil be the largest European operator of the 787 with 25 purchased and 3 leased! I wonder why they didn't exercise some of their options?

Their first own 787 are due in 2013 and the ILFC aircraft will arrive two years earlier. Some leasing contracts for their A330s are expiring in 2011 and they want to replace them with 787s. So far AB is the largest European 787 customer but AF/KLM and LH have not decided whether they want to order the A350 or 787 and their orders will very likely be larger (incl. options). Also BA will likely order more as they have not decided on how to replace the rest of their 747 fleet and their older 777s so the 787-10 is a hot candidate here although they stated to be interested in the A350-900R and the A350-1000.
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RE: New Ilfc Placements: New A340-600 Operator!

Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:11 pm



Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
Not many surprises, just one: a new A340 customer

The bigger surprise is the 735 still getting a follow-up order. Are these brand-new or used frames?

Quoting Flying-Tiger (Thread starter):
Belavia: 2 B737-500



Quoting BrisseDK (Reply 15):
Nope, 735 is currently their largest.


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RE: New Ilfc Placements: New A340-600 Operator!

Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:43 pm



Quoting DEVILFISH (Reply 26):
The bigger surprise is the 735 still getting a follow-up order. Are these brand-new or used frames?

Err... The Boeing 737-500 isn't being manufactured new anymore... For quite a while now by the way. So these planes are used planes.

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RE: New Ilfc Placements: New A340-600 Operator!

Thu Dec 20, 2007 6:58 pm



Quoting LifelinerOne (Reply 27):
Err... The Boeing 737-500 isn't being manufactured new anymore... For quite a while now by the way. So these planes are used planes.

My bad.  footinmouth  I got it confused with the 736, which is also not getting any new order.
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