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EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:26 am

It seems EK are dropping their daily HAM-JFK flights as of next year but do keep the daily HAM-Dubai flight.
Bookings for New York from HAM are not possible any longer as of Aril 2008.
It is also speculated in German aviation forums that EK might drop their 5th freedom rights ex German for two more departure-airports-STR and TXL.

[Edited 2007-12-05 21:28:14]
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RE: EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Thu Dec 06, 2007 5:55 pm



Quoting KHI747 (Reply 12):
Forgive me for my ignorance but what are TXL and STR?

TXL= Berlin-Tegel (Berlin=capital and largest city in Germany)
STR =Stuttgart (that's where they build Porsche and Mercedes-Benz)
 
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RE: EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Thu Dec 06, 2007 6:47 pm

I guess EK have enough O/D and transit pax from JFK to eliminate the HAM-JFK flight. Sometime ago they was saying that they need more capacity on the JFK-DXB run so I expect a thrid dail non stop to be loaded shortly.

Also if EK are going to gain STR & TXL in place of HAM-JFK it makes perfect business sence. They keep the three daily JFK-DXB and add two further destinations. Sound like a good deal to me...

lets wait for the official announcement from EK
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RE: EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:02 pm



Quoting EmiratesCPH (Reply 9):
It was BAKU!

Why did they drop Baku?

I would have imagined all that oil business would have been enough to sustain that route !
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RE: EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:07 pm

Given that EK struggled so much with JFK-HAM, I'd be curious to know how CO is doing on EWR-HAM. Anyone have any info on that?
 
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RE: EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:12 pm

Maybe we will see a BHX-JFK on EK that would put the cat amongst the pigeons
 
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RE: EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Thu Dec 06, 2007 7:13 pm

Guess HAM always had problems sustaining direct flights in to the US. As a kid I still remember NW (at that time still Northwest Orient) and PA offering direct flights in to/out of the States but they were all eventually dropped. Even though my family travelled frequently from HAM to the States in the 70's/80's we never made it on one of these direct flights from/to HAM. We did come close once but while sitting on the PA A310 at JFK and slowly moving towards the runway (must of been 60 planes ahead of us) captain advised we needed to return to the gate due to a hydraulic problem. We were flying business and we immediately got re-booked on flight via LHR.

Out of curiosity how is the CO non-stop EWR-HAM-EWR doing ? Low load factors as well ?

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RE: EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:48 pm



Quoting Bps3458 (Reply 20):
Guess HAM always had problems sustaining direct flights in to the US.

You can say that again. DL tried it twice from ATL with the 763 and failed. They also tried it from JFK with the 763 as well, after PA managed to get along well with their A310s. AA failed with their ORD (?) flights as well. CO did pretty good before EK entered the market, not sure how things developed after that. That said, the 757 CO is using capacity-wise the best solution this market warrants, and really nothing more, as said as that is.
 
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RE: EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Thu Dec 06, 2007 8:55 pm



Quoting Jog (Reply 2):
but cargo loads on HAM-JFK must have been pretty good (unless the captain had another reason for an incredible long take-off roll).

could have been a flex take-off (de-rated)
 
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RE: EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:32 pm

I remember coming to the US via DL in 1995 from HAM, but it went to CPH first, then ATL. From there I connected to SFO. Too bad EK is dropping JFK-HAM, I had thought about flying domestic to JFK from OAK or SFO and then directly to Hamburg, after my wifed tried once CO via EWR and wasn't happy at all about CO.
 
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RE: EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Thu Dec 06, 2007 11:42 pm

Should have known something was 'up' today when we received this press release from EK. A very nice jesture and opportunity to experience their product/service.



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RE: EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:20 am



Quoting Cory6188 (Reply 18):
I'd be curious to know how CO is doing on EWR-HAM. Anyone have any info on that?

When EK entered that market, I was afraid that Continental might pull out because the added capacity would destroy yields. I am glad that CO decided to stick out.

I can't tell for sure how CO is doing on that route, but I did take advantage of their CGN service three times since 2006. Loads average 80+%, and since CO appears to be "pooling" the fare buckets of their CGN and FRA flights, I assume the yields are fine, too. I'd say that HAM is in all likelihood comparable to CGN.

What I noted an all my flights to CGN was that the overwhelming majority of passengers originated in the US. My guess is that EK probably has a hard time tapping that particular market segment. For one, they don't have any connecting traffic to speak of at JFK. Secondly, I would never give them my business, and a lot, if not most of my fellow citizens probably feel the same way.
 
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RE: EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:24 am

I wish EK would standardize their product offering a bit...

JFK-DXB-JFK they offer:

EK204/203 B777-300ER "ULR" (12 F seats, but they're 2-2-2 across and not private)
EK206/205 A340-500 (stopover HAM) (12 F suites)
EK202/201 B777-300ER (8 F suites, I think...there seem to be few pictures of the newest iteration)


Across the EK fleet their F product is all over the place. I find it extremely odd that they even took delivery of their first 77W's with a 2-2-2 across F product.

Quoting BNinMSY (Reply 24):

EMIRATES OFFERS EXCLUSIVE $25 FARE FROM JFK TO HAMBURG

FOR ALL U.S. TRAVEL AGENTS

Extremely cool for all you TAs out there.
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RE: EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:30 am

ARGH! I was looking at visiting Germany for the first time this Summer...and my family lives in Hamburg. It was going to be so nice to be able to fly JFK - HAM instead of going to MUC or FRA and transfer. I knew I should have gone earlier!  banghead   banghead   banghead 
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RE: EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:35 am



Quoting B6JFKH81 (Reply 27):
It was going to be so nice to be able to fly JFK - HAM instead of going to MUC or FRA and transfer.

It would probably still be more convenient to fly direct from Newark.
 
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RE: EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:59 am



Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 25):
Secondly, I would never give them my business, and a lot, if not most of my fellow citizens probably feel the same way.

Just curious why you would never give EK your business (and why you think other Americans feel that way). Or am I misinterpreting your statement?
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2007 2:04 am

Flew CO EWR-HAM twice this year. Both were great, clean planes , good service , and with AVOD coming should get even better.
 
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RE: EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:03 am



Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 29):
Or am I misinterpreting your statement?

No, you got that right. I generally do not support businesses and/or countries (in the case of Emirates the airline, it's the same, since it's controlled by the ruler's family), whose existence is founded on gross human rights violations. The emirs have certainly a good PR machine going, but that doesn't change the fact that there is no right to free speech or free assembly, no free press, no labor organization. Wy would I or any other freedom-loving human being wanna support that?
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:12 am



Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 31):
No, you got that right. I generally do not support businesses and/or countries (in the case of Emirates the airline, it's the same, since it's controlled by the ruler's family), whose existence is founded on gross human rights violations. The emirs have certainly a good PR machine going, but that doesn't change the fact that there is no right to free speech or free assembly, no free press, no labor organization. Wy would I or any other freedom-loving human being wanna support that?

Wow! Just wow! Please do some research on the UAE before you ever post such a bunch of ridiculous BS again. I am embarassed that you have an American flag by your name. You sound like a typical liberal, moron tree-hugger who never has the facts straight, and usually isn't even close.
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:50 am

I did my research. The latest Human Rights Watch Report, various pieces on National Public Radio and the BBC. Where do you get yours from? And I take 'liberal' and 'tree-hugger' as compliments. And that concludes this discussion on my part. The last thing I intend to do is to provide an audience for hicks like you.
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:11 am



Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 33):
And I take 'liberal' and 'tree-hugger' as compliments.

You shouldn't. National Public Radio? Liberal propaganda bullshit. And please post a link to the Human Rights Watch List you have alluded to. I would love to see it. Or are you concluding the conversation because you know you are wrong? Don't you have some MSNBC to go watch? You can be brainwashed some more.
 
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RE: EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:15 am



Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 32):
Wow! Just wow! Please do some research on the UAE before you ever post such a bunch of ridiculous BS again.

No, you need to do some research on the UAE. The country is in no way, shape, or form a democracy nor are basic freedoms guaranteed by law. When Abu Dhabi's ruler died, his son succeeded him, when Dubai's ruler dies, his brother succeeded him. Human trafficking is rampant, migrant workers are often treated like garbage and discriminated against in the workspace, as well as being forced into situations of involuntary servitude. Oh, and apparently, people are still being stoned to death for committing adultery.

Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 32):
I am embarassed that you have an American flag by your name. You sound like a typical liberal, moron tree-hugger who never has the facts straight, and usually isn't even close.

And when people post crap such as what you wrote above, it's makes me embarassed that they have an American flag by their name.
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RE: EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:31 am



Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 33):
I did my research. The latest Human Rights Watch Report



Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 34):
You shouldn't. National Public Radio? Liberal propaganda bullshit. And please post a link to the Human Rights Watch List you have alluded to. I would love to see it.

I'll bite, even though it's off topic. http://hrw.org/doc/?t=mideast&c=uae

I wonder if PHXFlyer is talking about the labour issue or the gay issue? Anyway there is no utopia, I still want to visit the UAE.
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RE: EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:28 am



Quoting Robbie86 (Reply 5):
I think STR is to close to both FRA and MUC for people to fly there. I think they will go by train/bus or car.

Not I.
I will gladly fly one stop to STR from MEL on my annual voyage & pay a premium to be able to do so.
My brother & his girlfriend fly the route in opposite directions twice a year to see each other also.
Add in another 2 sets of parents making the trip once per year....

There has to be a decent market for people travelling to STR, and then going from STR it's a one stop flight to just about anywhere you'd like to go east of DXB.

I think it will do well.
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RE: EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:34 am



Quoting Bps3458 (Reply 20):
Out of curiosity how is the CO non-stop EWR-HAM-EWR doing ? Low load factors as well ?

May 2007 - EWR-HAM - 4508 pax - 12,5t cargo
HAM-EWR - 3793 pax - No cargo

April 2007 - EWR-HAM - 3940 pax - 10,2t cargo
HAM-EWR - 4089 pax - No cargo

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RE: EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:22 pm

It is rather unusual to hear of EK dropping a route. Although this did not come as a surprise either. I believe the 77W wasn't a good fit for that service, and evidently, neither was the A345. EK needed the capacity for DXB-HAM but definitely not for HAM-JFK. Perhaps the city pairing wasnt a good fit for a single aircraft type.

Hopefully the third daily to JFK will remain, and change into a non-stop. I am curious however, what will the timing for that flight be (im assuming it will change)? EK already has an 8ish AM non-stop, and a 2ish AM non-stop, so it would make more sense to change the time i suppose. Any ideas?

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RE: EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:37 pm



Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 28):
It would probably still be more convenient to fly direct from Newark.

From where?? Northern NJ...sure...Queens no...
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:50 pm



Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 25):
I'd say that HAM is in all likelihood comparable to CGN.

I flew CO before EK entered the market and the plane was full. I remember hearing how EK would drive CO out of the market, and I find it amazing that it seams it's the other way round. Despite an "inferior product" and being a crappy USA airline compared to one of the best in the world, and despite EK offering low prices, CO has remained while EK has seemingly dropped out. Not only that, EK has dropped out right before the busy summer season. EK's timing is strange...

Quoting Tsnamm (Reply 40):
From where?? Northern NJ...sure...Queens no...

No matter how much you hate getting to EWR from Queens, it's still faster than connecting in the EU and taking another flight to HAM. No matter how bad it is, unless you live right next to JFK, the travel time to EWR isn't going to be more than 1 hour longer than the travel time to JFK.
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RE: EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:49 pm



Quoting Pellegrine (Reply 26):
I wish EK would standardize their product offering a bit...

JFK-DXB-JFK they offer:

EK204/203 B777-300ER "ULR" (12 F seats, but they're 2-2-2 across and not private)
EK206/205 A340-500 (stopover HAM) (12 F suites)
EK202/201 B777-300ER (8 F suites, I think...there seem to be few pictures of the newest iteration)

All JFK flights are almost completely standardised now...

EK 204/203 777-300ER/ULR is now 8F (similar to A345) in a 1-2-1 configuration, and 42J (lie-flat seats although unfortunately still 2-3-2) and economy (3-4-3) all with the new ice Digital Widescreen with over 1000 channels
EK206/205 is the A345 with the F suites and ice (700 channels)
EK202/201 B777-300ER/ULR is also 8F (1-2-1) 42J (2-3-2) and economy (3-4-3) all with the new ice.

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RE: EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:06 pm



Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 25):
Secondly, I would never give them my business, and a lot, if not most of my fellow citizens probably feel the same way.

..speak for yourself.....try flying on EK a few times and you will find the majority aren't Arabs....

...I fly EK a bunch of times/year..and like every second of it.. biggrin ....I've seen many USofA military pax fly on EK and I know a few who are stationed in Iraq right now who fly EK...even when they have a choice to fly an alternate carrier such as TG, SQ,etc. they will still fly EK...

Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 31):
No, you got that right. I generally do not support businesses and/or countries (in the case of Emirates the airline, it's the same, since it's controlled by the ruler's family), whose existence is founded on gross human rights violations. The emirs have certainly a good PR machine going, but that doesn't change the fact that there is no right to free speech or free assembly, no free press, no labor organization. Wy would I or any other freedom-loving human being wanna support that?

...I can't recall the USofA being the paragon of many rights either...such as our faulty death penalty system, Guantanamo, etc.

Quoting OA412 (Reply 35):
When Abu Dhabi's ruler died, his son succeeded him, when Dubai's ruler dies, his brother succeeded him.

..so? Has it occurred to you many people don't mind having this kind of system?

Quoting OA412 (Reply 35):
Oh, and apparently, people are still being stoned to death for committing adultery.

....that's an Islamic Sharia Law....not United Arab Emirates specific.
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RE: EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:21 pm



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 43):
..speak for yourself.....try flying on EK a few times and you will find the majority aren't Arabs....

I don't think that was his point. While I don't agree with what he's saying so much, I think there are PLENTY of americans who feel as he feels, and you can explain away all the issues or try moral relativism or "money talks" when it comes to justifying things, but EK will face some resistance in the USA with non-direct routings to the middle east.

Obviously when EK picks up pax to fly directly to DXB, those pax won't have an issue with Dubai. But making the blanket statement that the same would be true for picking up pax in JFK to fly them to HAM? Or any USA city to any EU city? Well, there will be quite a few pax, both in the USA and in Germany, that will say "no way, man" for all sorts of reasons. Some would be political, some would be racist, some would just be confused: "why am I being asked to fly an airline from Dubai between the USA and the EU? I don't understand..."

We won't know the psychological reasons that the JFK-HAM flight wasn't getting a lot of support among pax, but there has to be something more than "no demand" because CO was able to keep the route and EK was able to fill the plane 1/2 way. That would indicate CO could put a 764 on the route and still get strong loads...

And from what I understand, EK was pricing it well and the service was a step above CO in all classes, so there had to be something else. EK advertises heavily in NYC as well.

One guess is that CO was connected a LOT of passengers to California and Florida on their HAM flight, and EK wasn't able to get that same connecting traffic. I recall on my HAM-EWR flight that a ran into many people on that flight on my connection on to LAX, for example.
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RE: EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:31 pm

When or Will EK replace the HAM flight to JFK with a non-stop? I know all the JFK flights do very well as you could not get a seat to fly out. Is EK going to put in a replacement flight to JFK or going to leave it at 2 flights per day?
 
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RE: EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:48 pm

HA! Some of you guys are funny

I have taken EX out of JFK twice. on both of my flight to and from the JFK there were less than 10 Americans (by appearance) The overwhelmning majority were of Arabian visage or from the Indian subcontinet.

I work at JFK and this is still true on a daily basis
 
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RE: EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:54 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 43):
Quoting OA412 (Reply 35):
When Abu Dhabi's ruler died, his son succeeded him, when Dubai's ruler dies, his brother succeeded him.

..so? Has it occurred to you many people don't mind having this kind of system?

You're not seriously defending single-party dictatorial regimes are you? How many of those who don't mind living under such a regime do you honestly believe have known anything other than this type of regime over the course of their lives?

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 43):
Quoting OA412 (Reply 35):
Oh, and apparently, people are still being stoned to death for committing adultery.

....that's an Islamic Sharia Law....not United Arab Emirates specific.

How exactly does that justify such a backwards and inhumane practice?

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RE: EK Dropping HAM-JFK..?

Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:52 am



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 44):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 43):
..speak for yourself.....try flying on EK a few times and you will find the majority aren't Arabs....

I don't think that was his point. While I don't agree with what he's saying so much, I think there are PLENTY of americans who feel as he feels, and you can explain away all the issues or try moral relativism or "money talks" when it comes to justifying things, but EK will face some resistance in the USA with non-direct routings to the middle east.

......there are PLENTY of American's who don't even know where the Middle East is... spin ....or are flat-out ignorant, hypocritical or a combination.

that being said....EK must be doing something right if its JFK-DXB is 3x daily..and you know, EK loves  crowded  their B77W's.......

Fly EK on their DXB-LHR route and > 1/2 are Australians, New Zealanders (sp?), etc...

Moral relativism is nice when one is on the "higher ground"..not when one acts in hypocrisy.....

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 44):
Obviously when EK picks up pax to fly directly to DXB, those pax won't have an issue with Dubai. But making the blanket statement that the same would be true for picking up pax in JFK to fly them to HAM? Or any USA city to any EU city? Well, there will be quite a few pax, both in the USA and in Germany, that will say "no way, man" for all sorts of reasons. Some would be political, some would be racist, some would just be confused: "why am I being asked to fly an airline from Dubai between the USA and the EU? I don't understand..."

....sure, I agree with you on that point....but there is a difference between CO flying a B757 and EK flying an A345 with premium seats...not to mention, as you stated, many pax on CO are connecting pax..where as EK doesn't have that...

Personally I believe its a combination of all mentioned above...

Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 44):
And from what I understand, EK was pricing it well and the service was a step above CO in all classes, so there had to be something else. EK advertises heavily in NYC as well.



Quoting OA412 (Reply 47):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 43):
Quoting OA412 (Reply 35):
When Abu Dhabi's ruler died, his son succeeded him, when Dubai's ruler dies, his brother succeeded him.

..so? Has it occurred to you many people don't mind having this kind of system?

You're not seriously defending single-party dictatorial regimes are you? How many of those who don't mind living under such a regime do you honestly believe have known anything other than this type of regime over the course of their lives?

...you are seriously not understanding my point....many people do not care if their country is run by a ruling family as long as their life-styles are good. Yes, many ruling families (such as the Royal Saudi Family) certainly don't have a large fan base, but the local population of Dubai and Abu Dhabi (as well as a few other Emirates) have a very good lifestyle (a couple of the Emirates are poor and work needs to be done to get those places up to standards)..

Quoting OA412 (Reply 47):

How exactly does that justify such a backwards and inhumane practice?

.....rules are rules....don't like it, don't support it....but unless you own/buy everything "made in America" (or Europe, etc.), you support inhumane working conditions for Chinese, Filipino, etc workers.....which would basically make you a hypocrite, now wouldn't it?...  gasp   smirk 
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Quoting OA412 (Reply 35):
The country is in no way, shape, or form a democracy nor are basic freedoms guaranteed by law. When Abu Dhabi's ruler died, his son succeeded him, when Dubai's ruler dies, his brother succeeded him.

Well, it works for them. Democracy isn't the only way.....

And there's no one that forces the immigrants workers to come there working

[Edited 2007-12-07 17:04:38]
 
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Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 44):
One guess is that CO was connected a LOT of passengers to California and Florida on their HAM flight, and EK wasn't able to get that same connecting traffic. I recall on my HAM-EWR flight that a ran into many people on that flight on my connection on to LAX, for example.

When I tried to book a connection HAM-JFK-BUF with 2:50h connecting time, this was not possible because EK required a minimum connection time of at least 3 hours. With an arrival time after 6pm in JFK the connection opportunities were thus rather limited..
 
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Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 48):
.....rules are rules....don't like it, don't support it....but unless you own/buy everything "made in America" (or Europe, etc.), you support inhumane working conditions for Chinese, Filipino, etc workers.....which would basically make you a hypocrite, now wouldn't it?... gasp smirk

 talktothehand  No I don't like it and I don't support it. Rules may be rules but stoning someone to death because they cheated on their wife isn't exactly my idea of progress. Besides, how exactly can you call me a hypocrite when you don't even know me? And, for your information, I do make certain to purchase only items made in the US or in a country where I know that workers are being paid a decent wage and have decent working conditions.
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Quoting OA412 (Reply 51):
Rules may be rules but stoning someone to death because they cheated on their wife isn't exactly my idea of progress.

...right, so I guess you like to nitpick on one minour detail (something which doesn't happen to much anyway) while completely ignoring the "big picture" (as to how much Dubai/Abu Dhabi has progressed the past couple of decades...).....way to go... sarcastic 

Last I remember, the USofA had segregation/racism (and lynching) problems just as of a few decades ago......its not as if the United States is centuries ahead...

Quoting OA412 (Reply 51):
Besides, how exactly can you call me a hypocrite when you don't even know me?

 redflag  redflag .....please read again what I stated...

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 48):
but unless you own/buy everything

....hence why I stated "unless".....I did not state you are a hypocrite..... Wink

....not to mention, in this day and age...its almost theoretically impossible to not own something which isn't manufactured in China....or has some parts manufactured in China......

...regardless-getting back to the subject, I do not see it as a big deal that EK is pulling out of JFK-HAM...its not as if EK is completely abandoning HAM....

This should hopefully give CO more profits.. thumbsup 
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Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 31):

 rotfl   rotfl   rotfl 

Talking of PR machines, it seemes like the US PR machine worked in your case. I think they call it brainwashing. What a load of pathetic BS, geeez....
 
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Quoting EK77W (Reply 42):
All JFK flights are almost completely standardised now...

EK 204/203 777-300ER/ULR is now 8F (similar to A345) in a 1-2-1 configuration, and 42J (lie-flat seats although unfortunately still 2-3-2) and economy (3-4-3) all with the new ice Digital Widescreen with over 1000 channels
EK206/205 is the A345 with the F suites and ice (700 channels)
EK202/201 B777-300ER/ULR is also 8F (1-2-1) 42J (2-3-2) and economy (3-4-3) all with the new ice.

Clearly someone who thinks he knows it all - be warned that the EK203/204 DOESNT HAVE SUITES YET and is being sold as 12 in F (skycruiser) until Feb 1ST when they expect it to change over to 8 suites.
 
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 2:07 pm

Folks, I've been following this thread and I'm still not sure what EK dropping HAM-JFK has to do with sharia and lynching in the deep south!

In relation to German routes for EK, I'm just wondering whether the dropping of HAM-JFK will mean that EK can now add STR and/or TXL, as has been indicated (would they choose TXL over SXF and then transfer to BBI when that is open?)

Is it possible, at this stage, to calculate how many acft EK will have for expansion onto new routes next year?
 
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:51 pm

Quoting FlyEmirates (Reply 54):
Clearly someone who thinks he knows it all - be warned that the EK203/204 DOESNT HAVE SUITES YET and is being sold as 12 in F (skycruiser) until Feb 1ST when they expect it to change over to 8 suites.

Calm down! I was just passing on information I had heard from someone else who works for EK that I thought may have helped! No need to get all defensive!

[Edited 2007-12-08 09:58:18]
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Quoting OA412 (Reply 47):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 43):
Quoting OA412 (Reply 35):
When Abu Dhabi's ruler died, his son succeeded him, when Dubai's ruler dies, his brother succeeded him.

..so? Has it occurred to you many people don't mind having this kind of system?


You're not seriously defending single-party dictatorial regimes are you? How many of those who don't mind living under such a regime do you honestly believe have known anything other than this type of regime over the course of their lives?

Let see we had Bush I, then Clinton (2 terms) then Bush II (2 terms) and soon we'll have Clinton II. Not much of a choice is it? As to Flying with Ek, I do hope they keep the JFK-HAM route as it is my preferred route to DXB. The last time I took that flight a few months ago the flights were packed. I'll take EK over CO, delta, NW etc any day and I don't care what kind of country the UAE is. The whole world is f***ed up as far as I am concerned.
 
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:31 pm

With EK dropping HAM-JFK, what is the likely hood of EK moving the route to HAM-ORD?
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:20 pm

oh come on....

If the route is not working there is no wrong of chopping it off

EK is a profit making organisation afterall!!!

They always say they have a shortage of planes... so they will have one plane in hand a A345

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Quoting Timberwolf24 (Reply 58):
With EK dropping HAM-JFK, what is the likely hood of EK moving the route to HAM-ORD?

Umm not real likely... HAM is never been much of a winner for TATL service...

CO does fine with the 757.. I think that will be sufficient..
 
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Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:07 am

EK would be more than welcome to set up a mini hub in DUB if they wanted; DUB-JFK/MIA etc, plus of course, DUB-DXB.

Aer Lingus wouldn't be too pleased, but it would be well needed kick in the behind to get its product quality up to scratch.
 
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Quoting Timberwolf24 (Reply 58):
With EK dropping HAM-JFK, what is the likely hood of EK moving the route to HAM-ORD?

0%.

Quoting Kaitak (Reply 61):
EK would be more than welcome to set up a mini hub in DUB if they wanted; DUB-JFK/MIA etc, plus of course, DUB-DXB.

If they wanted to use some of their high-density aircraft with lesser premium services, it might work, but there traditional premium product would not work on those routes, especially MIA.

While EK is ending JFK-HAM, I would not take this as a sign that they are going to give up on Europe-USA flights.
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Quoting PHX Flyer (Reply 31):
No, you got that right. I generally do not support businesses and/or countries (in the case of Emirates the airline, it's the same, since it's controlled by the ruler's family), whose existence is founded on gross human rights violations. The emirs have certainly a good PR machine going, but that doesn't change the fact that there is no right to free speech or free assembly, no free press, no labor organization. Wy would I or any other freedom-loving human being wanna support that?

It really cracks me up how hypocritical some people can be. You honestly think that the US have a good human rights record? Flouting Geneva Conventions, making up their own rules and terminologies to suit? Etc, etc?

Freedom of speech, eh? I dare you to even raise as a discussion topic the details of the holocaust, or that there is a need to start understanding the motivations behind why a group of people want to attack a country. I recall the boxer Anthony Mundine did something similar and had his championship belt and US license revoked - that's real freedom of speech, isn't it?

With respect to labour organisation, are you refering to the same unions who have essentially sealed the fate of many American legacy carriers over the years?

Quoting Pbb152 (Reply 32):
Wow! Just wow! Please do some research on the UAE before you ever post such a bunch of ridiculous BS again.

Well said!