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Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:31 am

Flew FRA-ZRH this morning and a girl in the row behind me was talking on and on and on about how bad the flight from the USA was last night. Lots of turbulence and chop, worst flight she had ever been on. Anybody out here fly last night USA-Europe-or Europe USA.....if so how about a quick trip report
 
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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:47 am

I have heard from several pax and FA's crossing the Atlantic that the past week has seen some very high turbulence. I flew IAD-LHR last week and the tail winds were so strong that we arrived over one hour early. A friend flew LAX - LHR and said for four hours there was major turbulence and they brought out the old barf bags which were well used.
 
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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:40 am

Looking at how the weather has been in Belgium for the last few days (lots of wind and rain, all coming in from the North Atlantic) that does not surprise me a bit.

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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:13 pm

Strong winds all over the UK as well, and Ireland got battered by some strong storms the other day.
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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:16 pm

Will let you know on Weds after VS17 and VS4 on Saturday.
 
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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 12:19 pm

We had a strong storm over Europe (France, Germany) last night. November, December is normally the storm season.
 
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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:11 pm

Jetstream is sort of weaving up and down the N. Atlantic right now, flights will inevitably have to cross it which always produces a few bumps. With the latest winds in the core being about 150kts at FL300-FL340 the bumps will be a bit 'harder'  Wink

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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:38 pm

My parents flew DFW-LGW last week. They didn't report any chop or turbulence but my Dad did comment on the fact that it was the fastest he'd ever flown in a 777! The flight left 90 mins late and made up an hour in-flight.
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:43 pm

I look at the wind charts all the time, and I remember on Tuesday at one point I was shocked to see 210kt winds over Maine in the Eastern US and all the way out to almost Greenland.

To the OP, ask you friend where in the plane she was sitting, because I flew to GVA last year, and was in the last row on the way there, and got very sick, though my friends in the middle of the plane felt not a SINGLE bump. And on the way back I was right on the wing and they were in back and they all got sick and I felt nothing.

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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:58 pm

BBC news was reporting on Wednesday night that there was going to be 200mph tail winds over the Atlantic that night, so I guess theres a knock on from that. Sure as hell been windy in my neck of the woods in the last couple of days. Plus point...I guess quite a feew TATL flights got in early.....or should I say would of, if they didn't have to stack up all morning before being cleared to land at LHR!!
 
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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 3:32 pm

I flew from DUB to CWL last night and the pilot came on over the PA system saying there were 100 mph tailwinds helping us along.

Mind you, when we landed in the morning at DUB the winds were 55mph at the airport and that made the landing on the ATR42 a little interesting to say the least!!
 
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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 4:48 pm

Worked JFK-LHR last night on AA122 and 2.5 hours before landing it was extremely choppy for about 30 minutes. We landed at LHR in 75 mph gusts. I've never felt a 777 pitch around like that on approach -- it's such an unbelievably stable plane. Usually in a 777 landing in winds there's barely even a ripple. Flying time was only 5:45 -- wonder how long it will be going back tonight!
 
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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 5:47 pm

Quoting TonyBurr (Reply 1):
A friend flew LAX - LHR and said for four hours there was major turbulence and they brought out the old barf bags which were well used.

I had a few friends flying overseas last week. Had a buddy fly LAX-LHR and he said the same thing, that it was really choppy for about an hour 2 hours before landing. However I also had a friend that flew LAX-TLV on the same day and he said that there wasnt a bump the entire way. I guess they just used different paths.

BTW, what is typically the bumpiest time of the year to fly over the Atlantic?

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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:06 pm



Quoting JFKPurser (Reply 11):
Worked JFK-LHR last night on AA122 and 2.5 hours before landing it was extremely choppy for about 30 minutes. We landed at LHR in 75 mph gusts.

A 75 mph wind is around 65 knots. Isn't that way above the maximum wind component limit for the 777?

I know (unless it's changed recently) that AA use a maximum tailwind limit of 10 kts for landing and ultimate limit of 50 kts for their 737 fleet. Does anyone know the limits for the 777 fleet?
 
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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 6:25 pm

Think it has been like this all week. Flew EWR-ARN on Monday (was supposed to fly SK904, but ended up at MH91 instead) and part of the ride was rather rough, also with strong tailwinds resulting in ground speed above 1100km/t
 
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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:47 pm

One of my friends has just come back from Barbados and she said her dad (Captain on 777's for BA) said it was some of the worst turbulence he has ever experienced.

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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:53 pm

There has been a lot of activity going over the atlantic . The jet stream is just perfect to where it is sitting right over the northern portion of the country and is picking every little storm and shooting it towards us in CT. It has been very gusty here. My mother flew BDL-ATL on Monday and had some really strong winds hitting them right after take off and because of that got in kind of late.
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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 8:58 pm



Quoting LAXdude1023 (Reply 12):
BTW, what is typically the bumpiest time of the year to fly over the Atlantic?

Generally from around this time of year until the spring, when the jetstream is farther south, which results in much stronger tailwinds/headwinds. Not to mention that it seems like there are more storm systems over the North Atlantic during the winter, which I believe was largely responsible for many very choppy transatlantic crossings lately. I had a relatively choppy flight (nothing bad, just some moderate chop/light turbulence) across the Atlantic last year during the middle of October, however, soone could have a bumpy crossing any time of the year.
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:13 pm



Quoting 747fan (Reply 17):
Generally from around this time of year until the spring, when the jetstream is farther south, which results in much stronger tailwinds/headwinds. Not to mention that it seems like there are more storm systems over the North Atlantic during the winter, which I believe was largely responsible for many very choppy transatlantic crossings lately. I had a relatively choppy flight (nothing bad, just some moderate chop/light turbulence) across the Atlantic last year during the middle of October, however, soone could have a bumpy crossing any time of the year.

Im reminded of a flight I took in Jan of 06 from CDG-DFW (AA 49). Hit a patch of severe turbulence 3 hours out of CDG. Lasted about 5 minutes. Overhead bins popping open and oxygen masks comeing down. It was surrounded by about 10 minutes of moderate turbulence on either side. I only say it was severe turbulence because thats what the pilot said it was. I flew the same route in Nov of 05 (AA 49) and it was smooth the whole way. I guess it just depends on the situation.

Ive heard it said that during our winter, its smoother to travel to South (to South America) but bumpier to travel to Europe and vice-versa in the summer. Is that correct? Ive never noticed much of a difference.
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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:30 pm

I flew FRA-CLT last week and flight took almost an hour more than scheduled because of strong headwinds - pilot kept saying that he was sorry for the chop but I thought it was negligible - does it depend on where you are sitting in the airplane? I was over the wing.
 
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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 9:50 pm



Quoting Imberry (Reply 19):
does it depend on where you are sitting in the airplane? I was over the wing.

It definitely can have an effect; generally, someone who is sitting in the very back will feel more than someone who is sitting over the wing. This is especially apparent on long aircraft such as the A346, 773, 747, and even the 753. Generally the best place for feeling less of the turbulence is right over the wing.
 
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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Fri Dec 07, 2007 10:40 pm

I flew on CO56 from EWR to CDG on Monday night. Although we left about 1,5 hour late, we arrived pretty much on time. Tail winds were over 200mph the entire time and I was amazed to see that at what point during the night we were flying at over 1,140 km/h, which is more or less 710mph...only 60mph from speed of sound! I had no idea that either they could fly that fast, or that they even would let it fly that fast. The ride was actually quite comfortable and we didn't encounter any major bumps. I returned to EWR with CO 57 this afternoon and we had an average of 70mph headwinds. It was a little bumpy now and then but but nothing that bad and wouldn't last more than a few minutes.
 
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Fri Dec 07, 2007 11:37 pm



Quoting Mcny (Reply 21):
Tail winds were over 200mph the entire time and I was amazed to see that at what point during the night we were flying at over 1,140 km/h, which is more or less 710mph...only 60mph from speed of sound! I had no idea that either they could fly that fast, or that they even would let it fly that fast.

Remember this is the aircarfts ground speed, not airspeed. The speed of sound is alway relative to the airspeed.
 
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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:16 am



Quoting 747fan (Reply 20):
Generally the best place for feeling less of the turbulence is right over the wing.

Yep, but there you've got the nicest view of the wings slapping up and down  Smile
 
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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:58 am

Last night US 798 PHL- AMS just before getting on the NAT had to turn around and return to PHL. After getting a new crew and servicing the airplane departed PHL at 0455. I had a thread on here about it, but I do not see it any longer. Someone with knowledge of the situation said they could not elaborate why the flight returned, but I wondered if the Turbulence might have had a role in it.
 
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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:01 am

Any fuel stops westbound in the last few days? With stories of 200mph winds aloft and 5:45 TATL flight times, you'd expect so...
 
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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Sat Dec 08, 2007 3:18 am



Quoting Seabosdca (Reply 25):
Any fuel stops westbound in the last few days? With stories of 200mph winds aloft and 5:45 TATL flight times, you'd expect so...

I flew ORD-LAX three days ago in the 320 and flight time was 4hr43min because of the strong headwinds and you could tell engines were at a higher power than normal. Light chop on approach to LA, but other than that it was smooth. I heard on channel 9 they ordered us to go around and captain said no can do, so we had to duck over to 22R real fast. I asked the captain what happened after the flight and he said we "glided in on fumes."
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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:18 am



Quoting 747fan (Reply 20):

Could not agree more.

Once had to jumpseat from SFO-LHR, and got a seat at the back. For 3 hours, my legs were all over the place the chop was so bad, but i went mid cabin and could feel nothing.
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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:34 am



Quoting Mcny (Reply 21):
I had no idea that either they could fly that fast, or that they even would let it fly that fast.

As Someone mentioned, the wind will affect the airplane's groundspeed only, which has no adverse effects on the airplanes' structure at all. Apart from giving bumps en route, all the wind aloft does is play havoc with arrival timing and fuel planning.

Quoting Georgebush (Reply 26):
I heard on channel 9 they ordered us to go around and captain said no can do, so we had to duck over to 22R real fast. I asked the captain what happened after the flight and he said we "glided in on fumes."

I smell a fish. "No can do"? There had to be a very compelling reason not to follow an ATC instruction. A fuel emergency is certainly considered one, but if that were indeed the case, your captain will have a lot of explaining to do to a great many people. Ask him next time to define 'fumes'. I'll bet your flight could have flown over an hour on those vapours. Legally, it had to.
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:39 am



Quoting Threepoint (Reply 28):
A fuel emergency is certainly considered one, but if that were indeed the case, your captain will have a lot of explaining to do to a great many people. Ask him next time to define 'fumes'. I'll bet your flight could have flown over an hour on those vapours. Legally, it had to.

I am sure it was a fuel emergency, because right after that he turned channel 9 off. IDK why we didn't have enough, the plane was fully booked so I am assuming close to overweight possibly? When we landed they powered down engines on the ramp, and we were towed in. It was either quite close, or a good charade by United.
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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:53 am



Quoting Georgebush (Reply 29):
It was either quite close, or a good charade by United.

Likely neither. I'm sure you're aware of the legal obligations of an IFR aircraft in regards to the amount of fuel they must carry. Was LAX your intended destination? If so, regardless of what happened en route (stronger than anticipated headwinds, unexpected holds, etc), your pilots would have been constantly monitoring their fuel and establishing contingency plans long before your final approach.

If they didn't and events transpired as you suggest, I imagine there may be a couple of pilot vacancies at UA soon.
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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:53 am

Georgebush/SeaBosDca:
If 762s from the East Coast to LAX or SFO are clocking block times of 6.7 hrs or more all week long. Just Imagine how bad it will be for carriers Like B6 and other operators of 320s and baby buses this Winter.
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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:54 am

With the strong tailwinds going eastbound over the North Atlantic and at least an hour being shaved off the flight duration, how much longer is the reverse route going to be. I.e., LAX-CDG, 9:50 and CDG-LAX 11:50?

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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:28 am

Really choppy in the westcoast also today. Flew LAX-SFO-LAX, really choppy all the way. Strong winds from the West.

Quoting Threepoint (Reply 30):
If they didn't and events transpired as you suggest, I imagine there may be a couple of pilot vacancies at UA soon.

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RE: Choppy Over The Atlantic Today?

Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:30 am

My parents flew LHR-LAX last Tuesday and they said it was smooth except for about 1/2 hr of bumpiness over Baffin Island and Hudson Bay.

Two weeks ago I flew PSA-JFK and JFK-SFO. The first flight was fine but with about 30 mins of chop over mid-Atl south of Greenland; the second JFK-SFO was really all over the place (I couldn't touch with any accuracy the PTVs!) for the first 3 hrs of the flight. PSA-JFK was 9 hr 20 mins, and JFK to PSA was 5 hr 50 mins (I THINK). Really really long....
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