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Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:24 am

How many airports out there are physically connected (ie: can taxi an aircraft from one to the other) out there? I didn't know they even existed, but here is an example...


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To the right side of the ditch is one airport (8NC9) with a grass runway and to the left side of the ditch is another separate airport (0A7) with a grass/paved runway. There is a taxiway bridge that aircraft can taxi across to get from one to the other. Both are completely separate airports as considered by the FAA.

Anything else out there like this? Two airports (with two identifiers/names/etc) but connected? I know there are many cases of airports that are really two separate operations, maybe a military base/runway and civilian side/runway that are connected... but they're still just considered one airport.
 
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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sat Dec 08, 2007 4:56 am

ELP and Biggs AFB? (aka Ft. Bliss)
 
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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:01 am

I'm not 100% sure, but I believe the land area of DEN and Front Range airport border each other. The final build-out of DEN might have had a planned connection to Front Range.

Also, the new Doha airport will be next to the old one, although not connected. If the new Doha airport ever needs a third runway, they could make a link to the existing airport, whose runway will be parallel to the ones at the new airport. It would be a bit of a taxi, but not any worse than the outer runway at DFW or DEN.

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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:07 am

HNL and Hickam AFB are connected. They share the same runways.

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Sat Dec 08, 2007 5:46 am

These places would make for some interesting logbook entries. Easy XC time for sure.
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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:02 am

NAS Whiting Field North - KNSE
http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0712/00602AD.PDF

&

NAS Whiting Field South - KNDZ
http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0712/01909AD.PDF

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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sat Dec 08, 2007 6:30 am

Can't forget FRF/FRA. Frankfurt Flughafen and Rhein-Main AB were adjacent. Aalborg and the Danish Air Base are right next to each other. If I could remember the codes, Wichita Falls Municipal and Sheppard AFB are together. Scott AFB and Mid America airport are somewhat together. Damn, guy, I can't think of two GA or GA/civil airports connected. Usually where there is one, another may be there.

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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:07 am



Quoting Xtoler (Reply 6):
Can't forget FRF/FRA. Frankfurt Flughafen and Rhein-Main AB

I am part of a group called "Pro Airport" and sometimes we have a stand on local fairs, to explain the airport expansion. A frequently asked question is "Why can't you use the runway of the Americans?"

Answer - they never had one. Frankfurt Airport and Rhein-Main Airbase where the same place, no separation at all. Military planes used all three runways and the only separation was, that there was a civil and a military ramp. Same as with any US airport that homes a National Guard unit.



TGhe one in Denmark is Billund, BTW, but I believe that the military airport mirroring Billund is closed.
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Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:13 am



Quoting ShyFlyer (Reply 5):
NAS Whiting Field North - KNSE
http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0712/00602AD.PDF

&

NAS Whiting Field South - KNDZ
http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0712/01909AD.PDF

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Wow, very cool, and a perfect example of what I was looking for! Thanks!
 
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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:55 am

Sapporo Japan: Chitose Airport and Japan Self Defense base... same location RJCJ and RJCC
 
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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:10 am

Same at BRU.

Landing on 25R and turning off left, you are on the civil side at Brussels Airport EBBR; turn off right and you go to he military airport called Melsbroek EBML.


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Reading through the replies above, it seems most cases are a combined civil/military use of the same runways, with the civil airport being on one side, and the military airport on the other side. I wonder why a military airport has an ICAO letter code though...

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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:50 am



Quoting CO777ER (Reply 1):
ELP and Biggs AFB? (aka Ft. Bliss)

I believe you are correct.

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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:32 pm



Quoting Davescj (Reply 11):
believe you are correct.

could be done, but isn't


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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sat Dec 08, 2007 12:57 pm



Quoting Slz396 (Reply 10):
I wonder why a military airport has an ICAO letter code though...

For emergency use by civil aircraft. Even if the military airport shares the same runway facility as a civil airport there may be local or national reasons differentiating betwen the two.
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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sat Dec 08, 2007 1:52 pm

I think RJCJ / RJCC is the only true case of a large facility - at least I've that found.

Here's an opposite side of the question - how any airports have two, or more, runways physically separate and unable to taxi to each other. Not counting the construction of the third runway at WSSS.

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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sat Dec 08, 2007 2:42 pm



Quoting PITrules (Reply 2):

Also, the new Doha airport will be next to the old one, although not connected. If the new Doha airport ever needs a third runway, they could make a link to the existing airport, whose runway will be parallel to the ones at the new airport. It would be a bit of a taxi, but not any worse than the outer runway at DFW or DEN.

Hiii there!

I worked in the New Doha Airport, which is being built 4 kilometers east of the exisiting airport. Its really close to the new airport, but the new airport is designed for the next 60 years, so the need for a third runway is not important. In fact 2 runways is MORE than enough for the new DOH.

The new airport will be developed by a major real estate player into a canal, villas, shopping areas, and financial zones. So, the old airport will be a residential area.

But, I agree, the airports will be close to be each other, and it could form one huge airport, but that is not part of the plan.

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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sat Dec 08, 2007 2:50 pm

Mid America and Scott AFB are connected by a Single Taxiway...Pretty Cool Actually.

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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:41 pm



Quoting BlueElephant (Reply 16):
Mid America and Scott AFB are connected by a Single Taxiway...Pretty Cool Actually.

I could be wrong, but I think that parallel runway existed as part of Scott AFB prior to Mid America opening. In my mind, it doesn't qualify as the "two separate airports", but simply one side of the same airport being civilian, the other military, like many other examples. I'm open to correction, though.

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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:43 pm

Quoting CO777ER (Reply 1):
ELP and Biggs AFB? (aka Ft. Bliss)

Not yet...although the city of El Paso and Ft. Bliss have been discussing this for years. It would require the construction of one taxiway.

EDIT: By The Way, it has been Biggs Army Airfield since the early 1970's, and the station identifier is BIF  Smile

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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:47 pm

Also, ABQ and Kirtland AFB use the same runways and control tower...
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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sat Dec 08, 2007 7:55 pm

Though no longer operational, Bolling Air Force Base and Anacostia Naval Air Station in the District of Columbia had their own runways, hangars, control towers; and were connected by a taxiway.
 
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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:17 pm

Technically (IIRC) YYZ is two separate airports. YYZ (South Side) and YZY (North). Each has their own ground/Tower/APP-DEP controls. This way they can get around having the runways slightly too close to each other, and operate multiple Approaches and Departures on both sets of runways.
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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:38 pm



Quoting YYZatcboy (Reply 21):
Technically (IIRC) YYZ is two separate airports. YYZ (South Side) and YZY (North). Each has their own ground/Tower/APP-DEP controls. This way they can get around having the runways slightly too close to each other, and operate multiple Approaches and Departures on both sets of runways.

Many airports do that. It's more of seperating out the load on the ATC to separate controllers at the same station [Ground, Tower, etc.]

ATL has a different Tower frequency for each runway, and a North and South Ground controller, plus different ramp frequencies.
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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sat Dec 08, 2007 8:57 pm

MIA were two separate airports once upon a time. The 36th street terminal and the air base next to it were merged after the conclusion of WWII.

Addendum:

On this topic, was one of LAX's master plan configurations was to send a taxiway to Hawthorne Field?

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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:05 pm



Quoting Xtoler (Reply 6):
Can't forget FRF/FRA. Frankfurt Flughafen and Rhein-Main AB were adjacent. Aalborg and the Danish Air Base are right next to each other. If I could remember the codes, Wichita Falls Municipal and Sheppard AFB are together. Scott AFB and Mid America airport are somewhat together. Damn, guy, I can't think of two GA or GA/civil airports connected. Usually where there is one, another may be there.

These are all on the same airport grounds though. Rhein Mein AFB used FRA's codes. If you flew to Rhein/Mein you were landing at Frankfurt EDDF and taxiied over to the base. What the original poster ment I believe is... theres a fence between FRA and Rhein Mein, Rhein Mein has its own airport code ex: ERMA or some other identifier and had its own runways then theres a taxiway that connects the two airports.

Rhein Mein still used FRA's codes and runways it was just on the opposite side of the airport similar to having cargo operations located at a different part of an airport.
 
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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:36 pm



Quoting PITrules (Reply 2):
I'm not 100% sure, but I believe the land area of DEN and Front Range airport border each other. The final build-out of DEN might have had a planned connection to Front Range

There's about ~5 miles in between the two, that would be quite a taxiway. I also saw nothing about it after digging through some old books. Front Range did, however, make an extremely competitive effort in taking away air cargo operators from DEN. Last minute changes to DIA prevented that.
 
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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sat Dec 08, 2007 9:54 pm

What about BOM...Sahar (Chatrapathi Shivaji International) and Santa Cruz(Domestic)? Do they qualify as airports next to each other?
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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sat Dec 08, 2007 11:42 pm

Nice thread! Especially considering that this is my local airport (5 minutes from home) and that I took that picture!  Wink

Quoting Flyf15 (Thread starter):

To the right side of the ditch is one airport (8NC9) with a grass runway and to the left side of the ditch is another separate airport (0A7) with a grass/paved runway. There is a taxiway bridge that aircraft can taxi across to get from one to the other. Both are completely separate airports as considered by the FAA.

Yep, and both airports are basically run by the same group of people. 8NC9 doesn't get much use compared to 0A7, and for obvious reasons.

Another interesting aside - the grass beside the paved runway at 0A7 is sometimes used as a grass runway. It's not identified or registered as one, but aircraft sometimes use it as one.
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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sun Dec 09, 2007 12:28 am

Land at IAD on 1R. Take 267 W then 66E then the GWP and you end up at DCA on runway 15 ready for takeoff
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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:02 am



Quoting PanHAM (Reply 12):
could be done, but isn't

Oh, forgot about that one and my best friend is still stationed at Ft. Bliss. I thought she was out of her mind when she said Buff's were going in and out of there. Her husband confirmed it for me.
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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:11 am

Chiang Kai-Shek International and Taoyuan AFB is another example too.


I also wondered about segregated airports, single airport, but literally seperated runway areas, aprons, and operational area. such as OAK, which is connected by a taxiway from North to South Field.
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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:16 am

MSP and RNO are connected to Air National Guard Bases.
 
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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sun Dec 09, 2007 1:25 am

[quote=PanHAM,reply=7]I am part of a group called "Pro Airport" and sometimes we have a stand on local fairs, to explain the airport expansion. A frequently asked question is "Why can't you use the runway of the Americans?"

Answer - they never had one. Frankfurt Airport and Rhein-Main Airbase where the same place, no separation at all. Military planes used all three runways and the only separation was, that there was a civil and a military ramp. Same as with any US airport that homes a National Guard unit.[/quote

When did you start this? I guess I should have paid more attention to the vendors than the beer and wine tents. I left Germany in November of '98, but if ya'll have a web site, PM me. Maybe I can get started out here with better usage of airfields.

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RE: Airports Physically Connected To Each Other

Sun Dec 09, 2007 2:41 am



Quoting Phatfarmlines (Reply 23):
Addendum:

On this topic, was one of LAX's master plan configurations was to send a taxiway to Hawthorne Field?

Yes, I remember that. I saw an article in AW&ST years ago, it was one of the options. Was not favored by the GA users at Hawthorne nor the commuter airlines that were going to be shunted there from LAX.

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