quickmover
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Lynx First Days Of Flying

Sun Dec 09, 2007 3:05 am

We are having some bad weather out here in DEN today, so I know things might be backed up. I was curious how the new Lynx airline is performing.

One flight tonight seems to be running a little late.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/SHA4987
 
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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Sun Dec 09, 2007 5:11 am

Great call sign!!!

Shasta
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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:17 pm



Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 1):
Shasta

I love it

How many DH8D's do they have now?
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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:19 pm



Quoting Jetmatt777 (Reply 2):
How many DH8D's do they have now?

6 with 4 more on order. They also have 10 options for next year. The remaining 4 should arrive in the next few weeks.
 
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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:24 pm

When do you think they'll announce intra-colorado routes?
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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Sun Dec 09, 2007 8:27 pm

Will they hook these planes to jetways like some do in CLT? It would be great if they did due to the frigged winters.
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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Mon Dec 10, 2007 12:46 am



Quoting Quickmover (Thread starter):
We are having some bad weather out here in DEN today, so I know things might be backed up. I was curious how the new Lynx airline is performing.

Like every other carrier in DIA.

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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:11 am



Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 5):
Will they hook these planes to jetways like some do in CLT

All the Dash's in CLT are ramp parked I haven't seen one on a jetway in 2years since i have been based here
 
quickmover
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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Mon Dec 10, 2007 1:19 am

Has anyone here worked around Lynx the last couple of days or flown them? I'd sure like to hear about loads and customer response.
 
quickmover
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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:08 pm

Are all 6 aircraft flying?

I've been watching flightaware and I've only seen a few flights to Rapid City and Wichita. They were supposed to be flying to ABQ and a couple other cities as well. Looks like only a couple are in service. Any info?

http://flightaware.com/live/fleet/SHA
 
ytib
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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:42 pm

I've noticed flights to

ICT: http://flightaware.com/analysis/route.rvt?origin=KDEN&destination=KICT
SUX: http://flightaware.com/analysis/route.rvt?origin=KDEN&destination=KSUX
BIL: http://flightaware.com/analysis/route.rvt?origin=KDEN&destination=KBIL
RAP: http://flightaware.com/analysis/route.rvt?origin=KDEN&destination=KRAP

These were the initial cities identified, plus the addition of BIL. Even though six aircraft are in use, does not mean they are all flying at the same time.

The one thing I have noticed is there are no longer at BTA flights being operated which would fit into the FFT route structure.

I imagine later this week we would see some more cities switch over to Lynx and more aircraft shuffling. Some possibilities for immediate new flights include ABQ, and TUL.
 
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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Mon Dec 10, 2007 4:47 pm

Maybe I'm doing this wrong. When put in SHA as an identifier, I'm only coming up with one flight and maybe sometimes two. Surely, with six aircraft, there would be more in the air than that throughout the day.

Maybe some of the aircraft are still doing proving runs somewhere?
 
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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:31 pm



Quoting ERAUgrad02 (Reply 5):
It would be great if they did due to the frigged winters.

Denver isn't that cold, normally. Sure, they have their cold spells and snowstorms, but a lot of the winter is dry and mild. Chicago, Minneapolis, New York, Seattle, Detroit, Toronto -- those are places where rain/snow and/or cold make a boarding bridge a necessity. When I think of shelter rom the elements, I think of precipitation first.

Is it MSP or ORD that has those snake-like ground-level tubes from gate to plane that look like haz-mat tunnels between sterile tents?

-Rampart
 
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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Mon Dec 10, 2007 5:46 pm

Now there are two planes in the air. One coming back from Rapid City and the other on it's way up to Billings. Those two are the only ones I've seen flying today.

http://flightaware.com/live/fleet/SHA
 
ytib
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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:05 pm

It appears there are only two flights to each city now. I'm sure by mid week we will see some more activity, however it is tough to increase the schedule and city pairs immediately.
 
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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:25 pm



Quoting Ytib (Reply 14):
It appears there are only two flights to each city now. I'm sure by mid week we will see some more activity, however it is tough to increase the schedule and city pairs immediately.

Where's the rest of the fleet? Are they short on personel as of now?
 
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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Mon Dec 10, 2007 6:45 pm



Quoting Rampart (Reply 12):
Seattle

Denver surely gets a hell of a lot colder than Seattle in the Winter. I live in the same basic weather region as Seattle and it'll rarely stay below -5 overnight. Very rarely. Denver, being high up in the mountains, is usually much cooler.  Smile
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ytib
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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:04 pm



Quoting Quickmover (Reply 15):
Where's the rest of the fleet? Are they short on personel as of now?

They are ramping up operations as stated before.

Just to amuse you I looked at their schedule and found the following with the DB8D.

ABQ on 12/19 - 1 A319, 3 DH8D, 2 E170, but the following week it goes up to 4 DH8D.
BIL stays with 2 DB8D through Christmas and shortly after goes to 3
ELP starts 12/19 with two a days
ICT 3 today and into Jan
OKC gets three of them next week, and I see 4 after the first of the year.
RAP 3 today and into Jan
SUX three will be heading that way starting today
TUL gets a DH8D, and then mid Jan goes 3 a day with them.

So soon we will see service to eight cities. Does throwing all of these aircraft as of today make any sense, as you will lose money even with the much better CASM of the Q400.

Also, keep in mind greater seasonal Mexico service starts soon so the aircraft being replaced will all cascade around that service in addition to increased frequencies to some cities.
 
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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Mon Dec 10, 2007 7:18 pm



Quoting Ytib (Reply 17):
So soon we will see service to eight cities. Does throwing all of these aircraft as of today make any sense, as you will lose money even with the much better CASM of the Q400.

How do you figure flying company aircraft with company people (that you are paying for regardless of whether the aircraft is used) is more expensive than subcontracting out those flights?
 
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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:38 pm



Quoting Quickmover (Reply 18):
How do you figure flying company aircraft with company people (that you are paying for regardless of whether the aircraft is used) is more expensive than subcontracting out those flights?

Flight crews are paid based on block time, fuel is required to operate an aircraft, landing fees exist, and the countless other variable costs associated with operating an aircraft. So if you start flying four flights today to a city which had been scheduled with two until the recent change what is the likeliness there would be passengers on the aircraft? Most likely none. While people want to see all of the aircraft all of a sudden just fill the skies, with the recent cost considerations across the company they are being careful with expending the costs this week. Once the holiday travel season starts next week, there will be plenty of flights
 
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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:49 pm



Quoting WestJetYQQ (Reply 16):
Denver surely gets a hell of a lot colder than Seattle in the Winter. I live in the same basic weather region as Seattle and it'll rarely stay below -5 overnight. Very rarely. Denver, being high up in the mountains, is usually much cooler.

I'm not saying Seattle is colder than Denver, but two things need to be cleared up here. First of all, it is relatively rare for temperatures to drop below 0 F in Denver, let alone stay that way all night. (Perhaps you were referring to Celsius here, in which case, you're right, Denver does go below -5 Celcius with regularity.) Second, Denver is not in the Mountains.

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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:56 pm



Quoting Ytib (Reply 19):
Flight crews are paid based on block time, fuel is required to operate an aircraft, landing fees exist, and the countless other variable costs associated with operating an aircraft. So if you start flying four flights today to a city which had been scheduled with two until the recent change what is the likeliness there would be passengers on the aircraft? Most likely none. While people want to see all of the aircraft all of a sudden just fill the skies, with the recent cost considerations across the company they are being careful with expending the costs this week. Once the holiday travel season starts next week, there will be plenty of flights

I think we are talking about two different things. I'm not suggesting that they dump all 6 aircraft into one or two specific markets and flood it. F9 mentioned Wichita, Kan.; Rapid City, S.D.; Sioux City, Iowa; Billings, Mont., and Tulsa, Okla., and ABQ that would initially see Lynx service. I don't think 6 aircraft are enough to service all of the flights to all of these cities. Mainline or the 170s would take care of what Lynx can't handle for now. My point is that I've only seen at most 3 aircraft in operation at any one time on flightaware.com all day and I'm curious why they aren't using the other 3 planes. Especially since they are paying someone else to run the route.

I guess I'm bored enough to even try to keep track of what's going on, but it's easy enough to tell how many planes are in service since everything either comes or goes from DEN.

that all.
 
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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:32 pm



Quoting F9Widebody (Reply 20):
Second, Denver is not in the Mountains.

But its field elevation is 5,280 feet, right? And the mountains aren't too far off because you can see them. I would think the climate there has more in common with Calgary than with Seattle, which is at sea level and doesn't get very cold.
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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:29 pm



Quoting Quickmover (Reply 21):
I think we are talking about two different things. I'm not suggesting that they dump all 6 aircraft into one or two specific markets and flood it. F9 mentioned Wichita, Kan.; Rapid City, S.D.; Sioux City, Iowa; Billings, Mont., and Tulsa, Okla., and ABQ that would initially see Lynx service. I don't think 6 aircraft are enough to service all of the flights to all of these cities. Mainline or the 170s would take care of what Lynx can't handle for now. My point is that I've only seen at most 3 aircraft in operation at any one time on flightaware.com all day and I'm curious why they aren't using the other 3 planes. Especially since they are paying someone else to run the route.

I guess I'm bored enough to even try to keep track of what's going on, but it's easy enough to tell how many planes are in service since everything either comes or goes from DEN.

that all.

Why do you think ExpressJet is gone, as they were paying them to operate above their commitment to Republic. Once Lynx was able to accommodate those routes there was the change. In regards to the E170's, if you are in a long term contract with a provider you are not going to just say don't fly the routes, as aircraft delivery and other thresholds are usually specified in a contract. Either way you have to pay for it, either an organization who is guaranteed revenue or by flying empty aircraft.
 
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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:35 pm



Quoting Arrow (Reply 22):
But its field elevation is 5,280 feet, right? And the mountains aren't too far off because you can see them. I would think the climate there has more in common with Calgary than with Seattle, which is at sea level and doesn't get very cold.

Ummmmm... I believe the preposition you're looking for is "by," not "in." Even then, DEN is still a good 30-40 miles to the Front Range. Field elevation for DEN is 5,431 ft, and the airport, and the city, lie on the high plains. Think of DEN as being a larger YYC, you Canadians..... sarcastic 
 
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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Mon Dec 10, 2007 11:46 pm

Woo hoo! Now I need to find an excuse to go to the head office in Denver so I can fly these beauties!  bigthumbsup 

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Took this in Denver last weekend.. (which shows that there are no jetbridges, just the stairs.)
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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:08 am



Quoting WestJetYQQ (Reply 16):
Denver surely gets a hell of a lot colder than Seattle in the Winter. I live in the same basic weather region as Seattle and it'll rarely stay below -5 overnight. Very rarely. Denver, being high up in the mountains, is usually much cooler.

Yes, it does get colder on occasion, Denver is more extreme, but I was surprised at how identical the average temperatures were: 50.5°F for Denver and 51.8°F for Seattle. It's the precipitation that had me include Seattle in my above statement. I'm more comfortable walking across a short distance in sunny 25°F than I would be scurrying the same distance in rain at 40°F. Denver's Chamber of Commerce and climatology would confirm an important difference with Seattle (CofC: "300 days of sun" in Denver, Western Regional Climate Center: 380 vs 822 average hours of precipitation). And Denver is not high up in the mountains. It's high, but not mountains, no more than Seattle is on the slopes of Mt. Rainier. Just arguin' with you. Nothing against Seattle, a fine city. But I'd probably grow gills or at least moss if I lived there.

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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:23 am

Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 1):
Great call sign!!!

Shasta

Other than the fact that its not even in CO! (Mt. Shasta that is)

Quoting BCAInfoSys (Reply 25):

Took this in Denver last weekend.. (which shows that there are no jetbridges, just the stairs.)

I think Denver is the exception since all the other cities have jetbridges and are being used from what I have heard. Which is nice I suppose.

Checko

[Edited 2007-12-10 21:24:13]
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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Wed Dec 12, 2007 6:34 pm



Quoting Rampart (Reply 26):

Yes, it does get colder on occasion, Denver is more extreme, but I was surprised at how identical the average temperatures were: 50.5?F for Denver and 51.8?F for Seattle

I have said it before, but basically DEN has Spring during Winter and Winter during Spring, of course with some exceptions!
 
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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:21 pm



Quoting RJNUT (Reply 28):
I have said it before, but basically DEN has Spring during Winter and Winter during Spring, of course with some exceptions!

I'd agree with that statement. Corrollary to that, I've always held that the ski season starts too soon and ends too soon. Crappy skiing in November and Christmas, but March and April, even May, are fantastic!

-Rampart
 
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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:23 pm

Dumb question, but does Lynx have its own web site? I have not seen anything, and have been looking for jobs or minimums for First Officers, but have not found anything! any help??
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thegreatchecko
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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:22 am



Quoting CBPhoto (Reply 30):
Dumb question, but does Lynx have its own web site? I have not seen anything, and have been looking for jobs or minimums for First Officers, but have not found anything! any help??

No website unfortunately. All recruitment is done through Careerbuilder.com

http://www.careerbuilder.com/Jobs/Co...C7X7TZ6CVRP92C9QHGJ/Lynx-Aviation/

They don't have the first officer job opening anymore, but if I remember correctly it was 1000 TT 300 Multi.

Good Luck!

Checko
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RE: Lynx First Days Of Flying

Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:07 am



Quoting TheGreatChecko (Reply 31):
No website unfortunately. All recruitment is done through Careerbuilder.com

http://www.careerbuilder.com/Jobs/Co...C7X7TZ6CVRP92C9QHGJ/Lynx-Aviation/

They don't have the first officer job opening anymore, but if I remember correctly it was 1000 TT 300 Multi.

Good Luck!

Checko

Checko, Thanks a lot appreciate the help. Kind of odd that they dont have a web site, but I guess i'll keep looking!
Thanks again!
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