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USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interiors

Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:44 pm

I am kind of surprised to see this news. I didn't think USAirways had the money to do this. Do any of you feel that their aircraft needed a refurbishing or should they do this just to keep up with JetBlue or..............................?

Courtesy: The Business Journal of Phoenix

USAirways Spending $50M On Upgrades

http://phoenix.bizjournals.com/phoen...79&ana=e_vert&loc=interstitialskip
 
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RE: USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interiors

Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:50 pm

I think they need to get their HUGE labor issues resolved before they do anything else, but that's just me.
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RE: USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interiors

Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:53 pm

Well this takes care of all the deferred maintenance through the past two bankruptcies. Good to hear the Sand Castle still has a little bit of sense when it comes to the hard product. Now if they could only get rid of those damned tray table ads, then they'd be on a roll!
 
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RE: USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interi

Mon Dec 10, 2007 9:58 pm

"Kirby said the airline also wants to upgrade meals, offering better food, wine and other amenities."

I assume this is for first/business classes?

How could they possibly improve the outstanding $7 snack box I so enjoyed on my last 6-hour cattle-class journey JFK-PHX?  Confused
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RE: USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interiors

Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:01 pm



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
I think they need to get their HUGE labor issues resolved before they do anything else, but that's just me.

There isn't much they can do to force the seniority issue as it's completely out of their hands and there won't be a new contract before that happens.
 
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RE: USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interiors

Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:02 pm

Yes, they definitely need to be spending this money on their interiors. I haven't flown America West since they started the merger process, but used to fly them all of the time when I lived in the west. The interiors were HORRIBLE, unless you got lucky enough to fly on a new Airbus... which I never was lucky enough.

I don't know how US east interiors are, though.
 
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RE: USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interiors

Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:06 pm

Good news but modest. Leather seat covers across all fleets, and maybe new First chairs. That would be about it... at a quarter-million per jet, or so.
 
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RE: USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interiors

Mon Dec 10, 2007 10:14 pm

300 planes and 50 million? Thats less than the price of 1 new A320. Seems like too small a sum to really make a difference. They should spend a few hundred million. But what can you expect from Americas biggest LCC.
 
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RE: USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interiors

Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:09 am



Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 7):
300 planes and 50 million? Thats less than the price of 1 new A320. Seems like too small a sum to really make a difference. They should spend a few hundred million. But what can you expect from Americas biggest LCC.

It seems reasonable to me when you do the math.
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RE: USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interi

Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:46 am

Let's see, my last two flights on US, have taken 21 and 22 hours respectively, to go from the East Coast to Fresno. Granted, the ex-US 757 interior, TPA-LAS, needed work. The ex-AWA 319, LAS-FAT, was in great shape and who cares if the AWA logo is everywhere? I'd take a beaten up ex--US 757 if the damn thing would simply fly.

USAirways needs to put their dollars into flying, not the interior of the planes. Don't they listen to the horror stories of passengers who "will not" travel through certain hubs due to the reliability (or lack thereof)? How about all of the crews who time out due to mechanicals leaving passengers stranded at CLT and not a hotel room in sight?
 
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RE: USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interiors

Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:36 am



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 1):
I think they need to get their HUGE labor issues resolved before they do anything else, but that's just me.

This is a company with tens of thousands of people working there. I think they can do more than one thing at once.

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RE: USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interiors

Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:08 am



Quoting Silentbob (Reply 4):
There isn't much they can do to force the seniority issue as it's completely out of their hands and there won't be a new contract before that happens.

That's what I meant. One these interior retrofits happen, the pilots are going to whine and bitch by saying "You had $50M to spare and didn't want to pay us?!"

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 10):
I think they can do more than one thing at once.

I agree with you, I never debated that. The only thing I fear is the unions will bitch and moan about spending money on this rather than having the money go to them. I'm only speculating this, not saying it will happen for sure. But given the reputation the East folks have at the monent..... you get the idea....
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Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:12 am



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 11):
pilots are going to whine and bitch by saying "You had $50M to spare and didn't want to pay us?

As I always like to say, fire them. I am sure there are a lot of regional pilots that would love to bump over to the E190.

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RE: USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interiors

Tue Dec 11, 2007 2:28 am

It's nice to see that US is upgrading to circa-2003 standards.  Wink

I like how my Dean got quoted in the article!
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Tue Dec 11, 2007 3:07 am



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 11):
That's what I meant. One these interior retrofits happen, the pilots are going to whine and bitch by saying "You had $50M to spare and didn't want to pay us?!"

They're going to bitch about something anyway, might as well try and take care of your passengers a bit better.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 12):
As I always like to say, fire them. I am sure there are a lot of regional pilots that would love to bump over to the E190.

If only that were possible. Between the lowered pay rates and dumping the troublemakers, the airline would improve substantially.
 
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Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:49 am



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 11):
That's what I meant. One these interior retrofits happen, the pilots are going to whine and bitch by saying "You had $50M to spare and didn't want to pay us?!"

The interiors simply need to be replaced to enhance customer perception. Heck, they should also replace the whining pilots too and achieve the same goal!
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RE: USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interiors

Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:49 am



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 11):
That's what I meant. One these interior retrofits happen, the pilots are going to whine and bitch by saying "You had $50M to spare and didn't want to pay us?!"

The pilots may complain, but I can guarantee you that they aren't going anywhere. Nice to see they're upgrading but I'm sure it'll take several years.
 
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RE: USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interiors

Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:32 am



Quoting Chumley (Reply 3):
How could they possibly improve the outstanding $7 snack box I so enjoyed on my last 6-hour cattle-class journey JFK-PHX

Yeh sucks huh, maybe you should have travelled AA, who would have given you umm lets see, a similar service on a similar route? Seems like pretty standard service for the USA.

Needless to say, if US decides to change such policy I am sure it would be welcomed. As far as the interiors are concerned, if they change the seat covers, it would make a HUGE difference. Good to see they are doing something.
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RE: USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interiors

Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:38 am

Good news and well needed. I flew a US Airways (West) 733 from SAN-LAS over the weekend and the interior was in pretty bad shape. However I suppose the 737s won't get updated as I guess they won't be sticking around? I've flown other US Airways aircraft that weren't quite so bad but they all look very tatty, even the A330s to an extent.
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RE: USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interiors

Tue Dec 11, 2007 12:59 pm

THIS ARTICLE indicates more improvements than just leather seats... but at $168k avail per plane, I don't see that happening. Did I do the math right?

Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 7):
300 planes and 50 million? Thats less than the price of 1 new A320. Seems like too small a sum to really make a difference. They should spend a few hundred million. But what can you expect from Americas biggest LCC.

I guess its what their cash flow allowed. But I agree... roll out a nice product at a later date vs. more cheap crap now.
 
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RE: USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interiors

Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:31 pm



Quoting RB211TriStar (Reply 19):
THIS ARTICLE indicates more improvements than just leather seats... but at $168k avail per plane, I don't see that happening. Did I do the math right?

There will also be new carpet and bulkhead coverings.
 
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RE: USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interiors

Tue Dec 11, 2007 1:40 pm

It's about damn time!!!! Any of you guys flown on one of their 737 classics recently? I had bought the little $50 upgrade as there was one empty seat left. The seats seemed so damn retro like frrom the 80's. DIRT (not dust DIRT) all over the cracks of the seat and along the window lining. I was in 1F and and the carpet on the wall was stained. IDK but the whole thing looked pretty dingy and nasty.
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RE: USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interiors

Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:37 pm

I see this as just another quick fix for an airline that can never seem to catch-up with the times. Can't they take their time to do things once and do it right? Nobody is perfect but US Airways has been a subpar service oriented.
 
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Tue Dec 11, 2007 4:52 pm



Quoting Whappeh (Reply 8):
It seems reasonable to me when you do the math.

No, it doesn't.

Quoting RB211TriStar (Reply 19):
but at $168k avail per plane, I don't see that happening. Did I do the math right?

Yep. That's about $1000-$1500 per seat. Can't do much with that, really. AVOD? Probably. New seat? Maybe. Both? No.
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RE: USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interiors

Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:44 pm

I'm on USA ELP -- PHX, scheduled to be an Airbus (currently, used to be sheduled to be a 737). As I"m in F, I'll be interested to see what update (if any since I last flew them some years ago) and more importantly -- can I have my Jack and Coke????

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RE: USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interiors

Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:48 pm



Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 7):
But what can you expect from Americas biggest LCC.

1. US Airways is not an LCC if one assumes LCC means low-cost carrier. US's 3rd quarter 2007 mainline CASM was 11.11 cents. Delta's 3rd quarter 2007 mainline CASM was 10.49 cents, while Continental's was 10.85 cents. Actual low-cost carrier Southwest's mainline CASM was 9.09 cents. Maybe US Airways is a low-labor-cost carrier or a low-class carrier -- but not a low-cost carrier.

2. Even if one were to agree that US Airways is a low-cost carrier, they are significantly smaller than Southwest -- 16.4 million RPM's at US for the third quarter, compared to 19.7 million at WN.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 10):
I think they can do more than one thing at once.

One might think that if they hadn't done such a piss-poor job on the reservations system changeover, the website, the PHL hub, the on-board product, transatlantic reliability, etc.
 
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RE: USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interiors

Tue Dec 11, 2007 5:52 pm

Oddly enough, I've had much better experiences on US recently than I have on either UA or AC. Its all luck of the draw I guess.

Its obvious that US is trying to do the right thing, albeit in a misguided manor IMHO.
 
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Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:14 pm



Quoting SkyTeamTriStar (Reply 22):
I see this as just another quick fix for an airline that can never seem to catch-up with the times. Can't they take their time to do things once and do it right? Nobody is perfect but US Airways has been a subpar service oriented.

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WELL behind. I'm just glad that Delta started making their mods when they did. I can honestly say that their fleet is pretty darn up to par if you ask me. Now for their 763ER's to be completed.
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Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:55 pm



Quoting SkyTeamTriStar (Reply 22):
Can't they take their time to do things once and do it right?

Ummm...isn't that what this thread is about?
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RE: USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interiors

Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:57 pm

I was flying FRA-CLT-PHL-ZRH in Envoy last week. The service from the crew was on all flights very nice and friendly. Food was actually very good, especially on the PHL-ZRH leg. But I agree to various other posts that US should do something on the interior of their aircrafts. CLT-PHL was operated by an B757 and it was not fresh air coming from the toilets...... PHL-ZRH was an B767 and everything on this plane looked really worn.
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RE: USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interiors

Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:02 pm



Quoting KarlB737 (Thread starter):
I didn't think USAirways had the money to do this.

They are profitable and leather seats will end up saving more than they cost.

Quoting KarlB737 (Thread starter):
Do any of you feel that their aircraft needed a refurbishing

They could use a freshening.

Quoting Flighty (Reply 6):
Leather seat covers across all fleets

Which makes all kinds of economic sense.

Quoting AGRflyer (Reply 29):
The service from the crew was on all flights very nice and friendly. Food was actually very good, especially on the PHL-ZRH leg.

I am sure Envoy was nice. Their economy class food service, however, is the worst in the industry.
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RE: USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interiors

Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:07 pm



Quoting Gigneil (Reply 12):
As I always like to say, fire them.

Yes, that would solve a lot  Yeah sure

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 12):
I am sure there are a lot of regional pilots that would love to bump over to the E190.

And commit career suicide in doing so???

Quoting Silentbob (Reply 14):
Between the lowered pay rates and dumping the troublemakers, the airline would improve substantially.

Lowered pay rates?? Troublemakers??

Oversimplification?? Yes.

Quoting ScottB (Reply 25):
One might think that if they hadn't done such a piss-poor job on the reservations system changeover, the website, the PHL hub, the on-board product, transatlantic reliability, etc.

Excellent point.
 
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Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:10 pm



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 31):
Quoting Gigneil (Reply 12):
I am sure there are a lot of regional pilots that would love to bump over to the E190.

And commit career suicide in doing so???

Off topic, but how is a pilot wanting to better himself to go to a bigger aircraft a career suicide? Explain.
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Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:18 pm



Quoting AirframeAS (Reply 32):
Off topic, but how is a pilot wanting to better himself to go to a bigger aircraft a career suicide? Explain.

In the given hypothetical situation, any pilot who was hired to replace pilots from any mass termination would be considered scabs by ALPA (think Continental & Frank Lorenzo in the 80's...) and the pilot community as a whole. If those pilots remained at US Airways they would be fine, but if they ever tried for another job at an ALPA carrier, they would never get hired because of their "history".
 
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Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:23 pm



Quoting Ikramerica (Reply 23):
Yep. That's about $1000-$1500 per seat. Can't do much with that, really. AVOD? Probably. New seat? Maybe. Both? No.

I agree. Isn't it remarkable that the airline business is reluctant to spend $1000 on a seat that generates $1000 every single DAY for YEARS on end...

Meanwhile, a fine hotel buys furniture without knowing if it generates any revenue at all. Airlines like US severely mis-calculate the productivity of nice seats and IFE in customer revenue, IMO... they do pay for themselves, in a jet that flies 4 to 6 missions per day. It is worth it.

Increasingly, luxury products are the most profitable. "Long tail" and all that. Give people something nice, and they will pay for it. Problem is, upgrading an entire airline is risky. That said, $50 million is peanuts. A mid-size hotel spends that every 8 or 9 years. US is a 350 jet airline.
 
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Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:08 pm



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 31):
Oversimplification?

Aren't just about all posts here simplified? In any case, a full exploration of any point is likely to go off topic and certainly ignored by the third or fourth paragraph. I apologize for my brevity and attempt at humor.
 
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Tue Dec 11, 2007 10:38 pm



Quoting Flighty (Reply 34):
Increasingly, luxury products are the most profitable. "Long tail" and all that. Give people something nice, and they will pay for it. Problem is, upgrading an entire airline is risky. That said, $50 million is peanuts. A mid-size hotel spends that every 8 or 9 years. US is a 350 jet airline.

I'd like to work for the hotel company that's going to spend that much in renovations.
Unless they're completley gutting a 1,000 room 5-star hotel, most renovations are
going to be about 10K-25K per room (depending on the brand) plus the expenses
of the public areas (such as restaurants and lobby areas). And a big renovation
usaually happens once every 10 years. Matresses and damaged furniture are usaully
switched out about every 5 years.

As for the plane renovations, is this excluding the 767 and 757 refurbishments? which
i thought i read was expensed and approved for $20 million.

As for the 300 plane figure, isn't the count for the 319/320/321s about 200+ aircraft?
Or is this including future aircraft deliveries also. Or are they actually going to re-do
the 737s that they're going to onload soon?
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Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:07 pm



Quoting PSA727 (Reply 36):
Or are they actually going to re-do
the 737s that they're going to onload soon?

How soon can they unload them though? They aren't getting enough 190s to replace the 737s anytime soon, and aren't the 400s staying in the fleet for the foreseeable future?
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Tue Dec 11, 2007 11:18 pm



Quoting PSA727 (Reply 36):
As for the 300 plane figure, isn't the count for the 319/320/321s about 200+ aircraft?
Or is this including future aircraft deliveries also. Or are they actually going to re-do
the 737s that they're going to onload soon?

Don't expect the 737s to be redone...especially with AVOD...they are going away over the next 3-4 years as are some older 757s. The E-190s so far have new seats (from the factory) but no AVOD. If the E-190s were to get AVOD, would they even be included in that tally?
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Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:07 am



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 33):


And commit career suicide in doing so???

First off, US Air pilots have not crossed a picket line. Secondly, they are currently ALPA. US Airways pilots are not scabs, therefore if they felt they wanted to move to a different carrier they would be inducted into ANY union accordingly. Even if they eventually start USAPA, they ARE NOT SCABS!!!! If they want different representation, that is their call. American Airlines pilots are not scabs for belonging to APA, Southwest pilots are not for belonging to SWAPA. Third off, NOT going to US Airways might be foolish. US Airways is retiring 400+ pilots a year, and has over 100 aircraft on order including 45 widebodys... Any pilot that got on today and did not mind living on the east coast would be in for rapid advancement. Also, in the past other carriers have hired US Airways pilots... during the last furlough 2500 pilots were laidoff, with about 500 returning. These other pilots went to Southwest, Continental, Jetblue (over 400 there alone), etc. Many of these pilots chose not to return due to the fact that they are captains at places like jet blue and airtran making 140+ thousand dollars to year, so who can blame them for not wanting to fly the 190 at less then 50 grand per year, but the point is they obviously didn't commit career suicide by being emloyed at US Airways. So in conclusion, you are completely wrong to assume US Airways is a career suicide, but feel free to tell me i'm wrong... even though I'm not.
 
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RE: USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interiors

Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:39 am

Just had one of the planes with the new interior come through this morning. An A320, N657AW had new dark blue leather seat covers, but the same seats. The carpet or blulkheads hadn't been modified yet, but I think I read somewhere that they weren't upgrading the entire plane all at once, just piece by piece. In my opinion, the new covers are a 100 percent improvement over the existing ones. I didn't even know they were starting on this so soon, so as far as I know on the west fleet, 1 757, N910AW and 1 A320, N657AW have been started on so far. I don't know why everyone is harping on this upgrade as it is pretty much a mirror image of delta's new leather interiors and those have seemed to fair pretty well. Of course there are no PTV's but delta only has them on a portion of their fleet and US Airways is going to install PTV's on a few test aircraft for evaluation, and hopefully to all other aircraft slated to stay in the fleet long term so we'll see how that goes.
 
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Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:54 am



Quoting Davescj (Reply 24):
I'm on USA ELP -- PHX, scheduled to be an Airbus (currently, used to be sheduled to be a 737).

Whoa, ELP getting an Airbus? THAT'S news!!! Probably the first A32X-series flight ever scheduled to/from ELP  Wink HP had been threatening to do that for years, but it sounds like they made good on their promise.

Of course, hell will freeze over before any airline ever schedules a 757 to ELP...  Sad

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Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:17 am



Quoting N757ST (Reply 39):
Any pilot that got on today and did not mind living on the east coast would be in for rapid advancement.

Your post is full of true points. US has the most senior flight staff in the world. As they retire, US becomes one of the greatest opportunities for today's young pilots.
 
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Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:23 am



Quoting PSA727 (Reply 36):

I'd like to work for the hotel company that's going to spend that much in renovations.
Unless they're completley gutting a 1,000 room 5-star hotel

Yeah, I was talking more about large hotels. They're frequently in the tens of millions, and as you say, every 10 years a renovation is pretty mandatory. Renovations are part of the hotel biz. They should also be part of the airline biz. Same customers.

People just don't like torn seats. Particularly when that seat is touching the customer who paid for everything. Those seats should be really nice. Yet some airlines consider this optional. Not B6, CO or Virgin America. but some.
 
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Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:40 am



Quoting N757ST (Reply 39):
So in conclusion, you are completely wrong to assume US Airways is a career suicide, but feel free to tell me i'm wrong... even though I'm not.

Wow. I'm nearly speechless. Did you read ANYTHING I said, or ANY part of the posts I was quoting??

Obviously not. I will now take this opportunity to tell you that you are, indeed, wrong.

We were all talking HYPOTHETICALLY!!!! Were you not able to pick up on that?? Here are a couple quotes for you:

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 12):
As I always like to say, fire them. I am sure there are a lot of regional pilots that would love to bump over to the E190.

That was the origin of my whole post!!!

Now, unless I just missed it in the news, I don't believe US Airways has yet to have a mass pilot termination followed by a mass hiring of regional pilots who would, in fact, be scabs.

But, maybe you missed that. You could have picked up on it in my reply 33 too....

Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 33):
In the given hypothetical situation,

I guess you just missed that post of mine too. So, I will now again RE-explain my point from before.

If US Airways were to mass-fire pilots, as 'gigneil' suggested, any pilot who would be hired onto US Airways at that point would be labeled as a scab. As a scab, they would be committing career suicide. NOWHERE in there did I say going to US Airways in general is career suicide......you seem to be making up arguments I never raised, and replied to them with comebacks that are completely irrelevant, as the whole situation was hypothetical to begin with.

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RE: USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interiors

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Quoting N1120A (Reply 30):
I am sure Envoy was nice. Their economy class food service, however, is the worst in the industry.

I flew US MSY-PHL-AMS in first/envoy on all legs accept AMS-PHL, I was very impressed with the service they had to offer. The envoy seats were certainly out dated but they made the best of what they had. Despite issues ive had with them, I dont think they get the credit they deserve. When bad service, mechanical delays, ATC issues, dirty seats, weather problems come into play it doesnt matter what airline you fly, eventually youre going to get it.
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RE: USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interiors

Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:40 am

I actually don't have a problem with the 737 classic seats on US Airways. Sure, they are a bit dated, but their comfort more than makes up for it. The seat bottoms are softer than on a lot of other airliners (at least to me) and I have no problem falling asleep on their 737s!
 
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RE: USAirways To Spend $50M On 300 Aircraft Interiors

Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:51 pm



Quoting Transpac787 (Reply 44):
Wow. I'm nearly speechless. Did you read ANYTHING I said, or ANY part of the posts I was quoting??

Obviously not. I will now take this opportunity to tell you that you are, indeed, wrong.

We were all talking HYPOTHETICALLY!!!! Were you not able to pick up on that?? Here are a couple quotes for you:


Sorry, I did not see his post to fire them, only yours, so yes, you are right that flying scabbed work would be career suicide, no union would allow you reentry.

The whole argument is mute, you cannot simply fire 2500 pilots and expect that your airline will still operate. There is simply no sim time to do this, and you would risk loosing your certificate all together. I though you were refering to the fact that US Airways pilots are trying to form USAPA, and therefore being employed by US Airways would make them scabs. I actually have heard this argument by some, pretty pathetic honestly.

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