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2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Tue Dec 11, 2007 6:52 pm

I have just seen on BBC North West Tonight that a 2-year-old girl had to be rescued from a baggage conveyor belt at MAN.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/manchester/7138342.stm

A two-year-old girl got stuck on a baggage conveyor belt after walking through an empty check-in desk at Manchester airport.
The toddler was taken part of the way down the four-mile long luggage conveyor tunnel before getting trapped.

She was rescued by an engineer who found her with her clothes torn, suffering from cuts and bruises.

A spokesman for Manchester airport said they were "extremely concerned" and an investigation had begun.

It is not known if the girl passed through an X-ray machine during the incident.

Stoppage investigated

An airport spokesperson said: "We are extremely concerned about this incident and are working with the ground handling agent and the Health and Safety Executive to understand exactly how it occurred and take whatever steps are necessary to ensure this cannot happen again."

The child is understood to have wandered off in the airport's Terminal Two as her parents checked their luggage in for a flight to Islamabad last Thursday.

They raised the alarm after they could not find her.

Shortly afterwards, an engineer found the toddler as he investigated a stoppage in the conveyor system.

The girl was taken to Wythenshawe Hospital and kept in overnight as a precaution.


Sounds like the staff at MAN need to do something to prevent other kids getting on to the conveyor system. Not to mention the parents need to keep a closer eye on their kids! Could have been really nasty if she had gotten hit by one of the hydraulic rams that shoot the bags off on to the different conveyors for the different flights.
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:07 pm



Quoting Ferengi80 (Thread starter):
The child is understood to have wandered off in the airport's Terminal Two as her parents checked their luggage in for a flight to Islamabad last Thursday.

Yet, somehow the parents will find fault with the airport and/or staff.

Quoting Ferengi80 (Thread starter):
They raised the alarm after they could not find her.

Why the hell weren't they more mindful in the first place? Keep an eye on your kids, especially in public. It is not the job of anyone else to mind your kids, but you, the parent. Always. 100% of the time.

It is amazing that the child in question would be free of cuts, bruises and a scare had she been looked after. How simple.

Glad to hear the child is safe, save a few dings.
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:20 pm

This is definately not a good thing. If a young child can some how find a way into the system undetected it would be easy for a terrorist. This does not help the already not so great security.
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:25 pm

Well, she's lucky she wasn't killed !

Nobody is to blame but the irrresponsible parents ... A 2-year old in an airport, and the parents don't know where she is at ALL times???? incomprehensible to me!

This has nothing to do with airline staff, or security. The only thing that should be stopping 2-year olds from getting onto conveyors is the parents.


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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:28 pm

The parents arses should be kicked hard for this,it seems the baggage was more inportant than the little girl's safety,

what a shamble

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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:30 pm



Quoting Ferengi80 (Thread starter):
The toddler was taken part of the way down the four-mile long luggage conveyor tunnel before getting trapped.

Wow, she was apparently half way to the city centre!

Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 1):
Yet, somehow the parents will find fault with the airport and/or staff.

Whilst the parents have to bear some responsibility, the airport/handling agents have to account for the fact that someone was able to get beyond the check-in desks into a restricted area without being seen.
 
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:34 pm



Quoting SK736 (Reply 5):
Whilst the parents have to bear some responsibility,

some??  Yeah sure
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:45 pm



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 6):
some??

Yes, some. And no need for the sarcasm. Travelling is a stressful business so it shouldn't be a complete surprise that parents lose sight of their children every now and then.
 
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:50 pm



Quoting SK736 (Reply 7):
Travelling is a stressful business so it shouldn't be a complete surprise that parents lose sight of their children every now and then.

It is absolutely a complete surprise to me ... a father of 2.

If it's so stressful you let your kids get almost killed (and it seems that was not unlikely), then you either shouldn't be flying with your kids, or you shouldn't be parents.


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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Tue Dec 11, 2007 7:53 pm



Quoting SK736 (Reply 7):
Travelling is a stressful business

Stressful? For some, maybe, but that is no excuse for not keeping an eye your children.

Quoting SK736 (Reply 7):
so it shouldn't be a complete surprise that parents lose sight of their children every now and then.

Yes, it should be a complete surprise.
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:09 pm

In America, the thing to do is file a lawsuit. A big one; sue everybody, especiallt if the child went through an X-ray machine.

But really, parents should keep a closer watch on children at any airport.
 
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:10 pm



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 8):
If it's so stressful you let your kids get almost killed (and it seems that was not unlikely), then you either shouldn't be flying with your kids, or you shouldn't be parents.

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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:16 pm



Quoting Ferengi80 (Thread starter):
A spokesman for Manchester airport said they were "extremely concerned"

Why? It´s not their fault.

Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 10):
In America, the thing to do is file a lawsuit. A big one; sue everybody, especiallt if the child went through an X-ray machine.

I don´t think the toddler is old enough for suing her parents for not keeping an eye on her.

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 8):
If it's so stressful you let your kids get almost killed (and it seems that was not unlikely), then you either shouldn't be flying with your kids, or you shouldn't be parents.

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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:23 pm

"I'm sorry sir, your baby is over the 5kg limit for carry-on. She'll have to go checked."  Big grin

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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:29 pm



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 2):
If a young child can some how find a way into the system undetected it would be easy for a terrorist.

What a shame it's too late to delete your own post. Now we all get to see what a laughable statement that is.

Quoting SK736 (Reply 7):
Travelling is a stressful business so it shouldn't be a complete surprise that parents lose sight of their children every now and then.

Sounds like the parents were the ones needing supervision.
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Tue Dec 11, 2007 8:46 pm

Here in the U.S. they would have had one heck of a time peeling off the TSA inspection sticker and removing this stuffed in her diaper:



[Edited 2007-12-11 12:47:46]
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:02 pm

I've always thought that there should be swinging gates between the checkin stands that are only opened when the stand is in use. It seems like a very exposed area while the rest of the airport is secure (or more secure at least).

Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 2):
If a young child can some how find a way into the system undetected it would be easy for a terrorist.

If that terrorist were 3 feet tall and 40 pounds. And what is the terrorist going to do once he/she is stuck in a baggage sorter? Shoot the baggage? I guess they could put a bomb in a bag, but either the bag would then be screened, or they would have already screened the bomber for explosives and not noticed the luggage in question looked a lot like a 1 meter tall human.
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:28 pm

I'm having a flashback! One of my twin son's (2 years old) was trying very hard to get behind the check-in counter for Air Asia in Jakarta. He did not go to an empty one, but one that was in use and had luggage on the belt. He was moving faster than I was. It is not hard to have a child get away from you. Now, if I was watching both of them, one or both of them may have ending up behind the counter. I have learned it is hard to keep both of them together at the same time. Best to have 1 person on each one and that person better not be checking in.

It is up to the parents to keep track of their kids period.

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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Tue Dec 11, 2007 9:45 pm

The 2 year old was actually conducting a test based on recent reports that US Airways wasn't doing a good job of delivering all checked in luggage. Big grin
 
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:16 am



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 2):
This is definately not a good thing. If a young child can some how find a way into the system undetected it would be easy for a terrorist.

I hate to use the American argument..... BUT C'MON??? Everything always comes down to terrorism with some of you gus!!!! If a mideget terrorist got through i am sure he would not be loaded on to the plane....

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 3):
Nobody is to blame but the irrresponsible parents

Parents yess, but also how does the airport staff let a toddler get through onto a conveyor belt? Parents at fault yes, but also the airport staff.

Quoting SK736 (Reply 5):
Whilst the parents have to bear some responsibility, the airport/handling agents have to account for the fact that someone was able to get beyond the check-in desks into a restricted area without being seen.

I Agree 100%

Quoting PlunaCRJ (Reply 12):
Why? It´s not their fault.

Yes it is. They have no responsibilty to see what goes on the conveyer belt? Maybe they should hire parents to watch those things then.

Quoting BlueShamu330s (Reply 13):
"I'm sorry sir, your baby is over the 5kg limit for carry-on. She'll have to go checked."

LOL!

Quoting Threepoint (Reply 14):
What a shame it's too late to delete your own post. Now we all get to see what a laughable statement that is.

Very, Very, Very, Very... Again? VERY LAUGHABLE!!! lol
 
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:20 am

The airport should sue the parents for not looking after their brat and potentially causing delays.
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:31 am



Quoting BlueSkys (Reply 19):
Parents yess, but also how does the airport staff let a toddler get through onto a conveyor belt? Parents at fault yes, but also the airport staff.

The same way that the airport staff will also let toddlers run across airport roads if their parents are irresponsible. Do you want to put 2ft high fences around the perimeter of every road, JUST in case a parent lets their kid run into the road??? Let's have an entry door at each end of every escalator and flight of stairs ... JUST in case a parent lets their child run onto/down it.

Quoting BlueSkys (Reply 19):
Yes it is. They have no responsibilty to see what goes on the conveyer belt? Maybe they should hire parents to watch those things then.

If you are willing to pay for somebody to stand and watch every belt, I'm sure they'd have no problem hiring parents to do it. Personally, I'd rather parents just had a little responsibility instead of ensuring anybody can do anything they like and not have any accountability for it .... one of the big problems in today's culture ... it's never MY fault.


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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:53 am



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 21):
The same way that the airport staff will also let toddlers run across airport roads if their parents are irresponsible. Do you want to put 2ft high fences around the perimeter of every road, JUST in case a parent lets their kid run into the road??? Let's have an entry door at each end of every escalator and flight of stairs ... JUST in case a parent lets their child run onto/down it.

I think we can both agree that airport roads, and what goes on the conveyor belt BEHIND the ticket counter require different attention....

Quoting Bond007 (Reply 21):
If you are willing to pay for somebody to stand and watch every belt, I'm sure they'd have no problem hiring parents to do it. Personally, I'd rather parents just had a little responsibility instead of ensuring anybody can do anything they like and not have any accountability for it .... one of the big problems in today's culture ... it's never MY fault.

I Agree with you, parents should be a hell of alot more responsible, when i have kids i will pay much attention to them, but.... This kid went beyond a secure checkpoint onto a conveyor belt. When parents fail it is one thing, but when a child gets into a secure baggage area and no one notices I find that a tad worrying, dont you agree?
 
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:11 am



Quoting BlueSkys (Reply 22):
I Agree with you, parents should be a hell of alot more responsible, when i have kids i will pay much attention to them, but.... This kid went beyond a secure checkpoint onto a conveyor belt. When parents fail it is one thing, but when a child gets into a secure baggage area and no one notices I find that a tad worrying, dont you agree?

Since the family was going to Islamabad i can guess that this was check in of a PIA flight. Like many ethnic flights, pax has A LOT of luggage, not to mention a large group of people seeing them off. So if the check in agent was trying to check the family in, at the same time trying to keep a look on those big bags and who of those 10 people is actually flying , aswell as trying to see if they have valid passports and visas, You cant blame them not keeping an eye on the familiys kid aswell as all other closed check in counters.
Its a terrible tragedy that this happened, but its up to the parents to keep a look on their kids.
A small kid getting on the the belt isnt that big security threat to me.
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:14 am



Quoting BlueSkys (Reply 22):
This kid went beyond a secure checkpoint onto a conveyor belt. When parents fail it is one thing, but when a child gets into a secure baggage area and no one notices I find that a tad worrying, dont you agree?

Not that it matters, but do we know the child got into a "secure area'", "beyond a secure checkpoint" ... semantics probably, but I don't see where she went past a point where baggage had been scanned/xrayed and cleared for airside??

BTW, what some are missing here is that she WAS found.

Quoting BlueSkys (Reply 22):
I think we can both agree that airport roads, and what goes on the conveyor belt BEHIND the ticket counter require different attention....

My point is that we can stop all terrorism if we really want to, and stop all accidents on roads involving kids. The problem is that you and I wouldn't want to live in that world .... that's why there are compromises to make it acceptable and feasible for all concerned, and we knowingly accept some risks driving to work, and taking a flight.

If there is a hole that a bag has to go through, then there is a hole that a 2-year old can go through. You could quite easily lay on the carousel belt and get into the baggage area if you wanted to. You could also cut the perimeter fence or climb over it, and probably wouldn't be noticed for a while... should we make all perimeter fences out of titanium and 30ft high then?

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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:41 am



Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 1):
It is amazing that the child in question would be free of cuts, bruises

Especially when you consider what a suitcase can look like after taking a similar trip.
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:47 am



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 24):
If there is a hole that a bag has to go through, then there is a hole that a 2-year old can go through. You could quite easily lay on the carousel belt and get into the baggage area if you wanted to. You could also cut the perimeter fence or climb over it, and probably wouldn't be noticed for a while... should we make all perimeter fences out of titanium and 30ft high then?

Jimbo

What can I say? You do have a point. The parents failed and that is the MOST important point. But I still believe that the kid should not have gotten on the conveyor belt. Not every story is just Black or White. Nothing is black and white.
 
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Wed Dec 12, 2007 2:56 am



Quoting Flyboy_se (Reply 23):
So if the check in agent was trying to check the family in, at the same time trying to keep a look on those big bags and who of those 10 people is actually flying , aswell as trying to see if they have valid passports and visas, You cant blame them not keeping an eye on the familiys kid aswell as all other closed check in counters.

I don;t think anybody on this forum is pointing a finger at anybody other than the parents. The story says both parents were present. So, one looks after the check in stuff while the other hangs onto or watches the little ones. Seems pretty simple to this parent.

Quoting Flyboy_se (Reply 23):
Its a terrible tragedy that this happened

That a two-year old got cuts and bruises after some mischief?!? Good grief, I suffered terrible tragedies on a daily basis at that age then.
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:35 am



Quoting Threepoint (Reply 27):
That a two-year old got cuts and bruises after some mischief?!? Good grief, I suffered terrible tragedies on a daily basis at that age then.

I inflicted terrible tragedies upon myself far worse than that. Not to mention what my brother and I did to each other.

This kid was lucky. Could have been killed or maimed.
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:40 am



Quoting Eghansen (Reply 25):


Quoting EWRCabincrew (Reply 1):
It is amazing that the child in question would be free of cuts, bruises


Especially when you consider what a suitcase can look like after taking a similar trip.

Let's be thankful it wasn't PHL. She would have been stolen.

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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:18 am



Quoting Bond007 (Reply 29):
Let's be thankful it wasn't PHL. She would have been stolen.

Or at LHR. She'd be on a flight to FRA by now.

Jokes aside, the parent is responsible for their children. And it isn't until you have them you realise just how hard it can be to keep an eye on off-spring, handle the check-in proceedings, getting the seats you requested together and not split randomly etc. And all this in a foreign language with 25 relatives seeing you off...

All of this I would consider mitigating circumstances IF there was only one parent. But there is absolutely no excuse to lose track of your children EVER.

'nuff said.

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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Wed Dec 12, 2007 12:12 pm



Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 2):
This is definately not a good thing. If a young child can some how find a way into the system undetected it would be easy for a terrorist. This does not help the already not so great security.
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No it wouldn't!! As has been said above this two year old was probably the same size and weight as a suitcase so could easily go down the system until they got to something that stopped them or couldn;t scan. A human couldn't get on the aircraft from going down the baggage system as if the computers can't scan the object and identify it it would go down another chute for human inspection!!
 
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:14 pm

Maybe the kid saw the movie Airplane and figured her baggage will claim her at her final destination.

Anyways...

Quoting Sh0rtybr0wn (Reply 10):
In America, the thing to do is file a lawsuit. A big one; sue everybody, especiallt if the child went through an X-ray machine.

If it happened in America, I can imagine the parents suing the airport or even the company that made the conveyor belts and simply say it's the 'faulty' equipment that got their child stuck. They'll sue for like $42 kajillion, win it, and still be called bad parents for having neglected their child to begin with. It won't matter, though. They should have just about enough to afford their own damn Gulfstream to bypass this stuff. Ain't America just sweet?
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Wed Dec 12, 2007 1:38 pm



Quoting ThePalauan (Reply 32):
They'll sue for like $42 kajillion, win it, and still be called bad parents for having neglected their child to begin with.

But not before paid appeances on Oprah or Dr. Phill!

I know all setups are different, but the one thing I'm having a hard time getting my head around is how it wasn't detected by anyone at the counter. At my terminal there is a belt directly behind check in, so most of the luggage has to travel at least some distance before hitting the "rubber flap"

And no, I'm not excusing the parents. They should have kept an eye on the kid. I have seen parents with their kids in a harness with a leash. I used to think it was just ridiculous. Then I had a kid. Although I dont use the "kiddie leash", I can see why they are made.
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:37 pm

Quoting Jetblueguy22 (Reply 2):
This is definitely not a good thing. If a young child can some how find a way into the system undetected it would be easy for a terrorist. This does not help the already not so great security.

Ding....ding...ding...ding....we have a winner. It took three replies for an American to freak out about security and in classic FoxNews fashion relate everything to Terrorism.

While this issue is ridiculous mark on the parenting of this child, this is not an "oh my gosh we are all going to die because Osama's coming after us on the conveyor belt" situation.

P.S. And before I get labeled a liberal, terrorist lover. I voted for Bush - twice. I am a republican (usually - although considering voting for Obama). And I support the war on terror and Iraq. Still your response is grossly alarmist in nature.

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Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:42 pm



Quoting SuseJ772 (Reply 34):
this is not an "oh my gosh we are all going to die because Osama's coming after us on the conveyor belt" situation

It could have been Herve Villechaize (Tattoo from 'Fantasy Island') yelling "the plane!, the plane!".
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Wed Dec 12, 2007 3:51 pm

Heck, I've seen plenty of 2 year old terrorists. But the only bomb they were carrying was in their diaper.
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Wed Dec 12, 2007 4:18 pm

This begs the question......

If the child ran on the belt, and the belt was set up to run in the opposite direction at the same speed, would said child be able to take off?  crazy   duck 
 
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Wed Dec 12, 2007 5:37 pm

Airports may be exciting places for children but they are NOT playgrounds. Unfortunately a lot of parents treat them as such allowing kids play on baggage carts and escalators. At the end of the day an airport is an operating public building which is very VERY dangerous for children to be allowed roam lose. Children as young as two should at all times be strapped into a buggy or with one of those leash things they have for kids.

To those of you overreacting about how the child could get down the belt...well I am sure many of you have seen empty desks at a check in area. Often these desks are linked to active ones and it is actually rather easy to get down one, but obviously an fully grown adult would be far easier to notice then a 2 year old who is no bigger than a suitcase!!!
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Wed Dec 12, 2007 7:39 pm



Quoting PlunaCRJ (Reply 12):
Quoting Ferengi80 (Thread starter):
A spokesman for Manchester airport said they were "extremely concerned"

Why? It´s not their fault.

Because it provides evidence of the apparent ease with which someone can enter a restricted area. All staff working at or near check-in desks have a responsibility to make sure nobody, however small or young they may be, can get into a restricted area. Perhaps if they spent more time paying attention to what was going on around them and less time shouting to their mate on the next but one check-in desk about what they did at the weekend, situations like this wouldn't arise.
 
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Wed Dec 12, 2007 8:14 pm



Quoting SK736 (Reply 39):
Perhaps if they spent more time paying attention to what was going on around them

Perhaps if the parents did this, the agents could concentrate on doing their job, rather than running a childcare facility!

Quoting SK736 (Reply 39):
apparent ease with which someone can enter a restricted area

A 2-year old child, the size of a duffle bag, went onto a conveyor belt, and subsequently got found shortly afterwards.

I could catapult you over the perimeter fence with "apparent ease" ... you'd land on the tarmac, and be found very shorty afterwards .... like what happened here (except she had less injuries than you would probably).


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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:18 pm



Quoting SK736 (Reply 39):
Perhaps if they spent more time paying attention to what was going on around them

That kinda begs the question: What exactly were both parents doing that one of them couldn't at least keep an eye on the kid? I understand that sometimes you do divert your attention and assume that after just a few seconds of not looking, your child may still be standing there but if this kid has enough time to ninja her way to the baggage system, clearly both parents are in the wrong for not having turned their heads, even if only for a moment, to see if their child was still around. At least, not until it was too late.
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Wed Dec 12, 2007 9:20 pm

My question is, if a 2-year old is running on a conveyor belt, and the belt is running in the opposite direction to match the 2-year old's speed, then will the 2-year old be able to fly if he runs fast enough?
 
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Wed Dec 12, 2007 11:05 pm

Poor kid, that must have been really frightening.

My 2-year old son loves anything out of the ordinary, so airports are just as fascinating as Disneyland in his eyes! It forces me to be about as watchful as I can. It's a shame that neither parent was watching the moment she made a run for the conveyor - maybe as little as 8 feet away depending on where she was standing? Man my son could cover 8 feet in about 2 seconds if he really wanted to. YIKES!!!

Of course it was the parent's fault but no need to jump all over them. They didn't intend for it to happen. Lord knows we've all made mistakes in our lives which could have hurt ourselves or the people we love. Nothing to do but just take the life lesson and be thankful everything turned out ok.

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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:25 am

When I was a kid in the 70's, and my dad was a ramp agent for Hughes AIrwest In LAS, I rode from the ticket counter to the bagroom on the conveyer belt sitting in his lap. That was a different time and place though, but it is still one of my coolest childhood memories.
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RE: 2-year-old On Baggage Conveyor

Thu Dec 13, 2007 5:04 am

As a physician (pediatrician, in fact) my big concern is actually the possibility that the kid could have gone through the X-ray scanner. I don't know about airport X-ray scanners, but my guess is that they use much higher doses and exposure times than medical X-ray machines do because they need to be able to penetrate materials that are more radiopaque (opaque to X-rays) than human bodies are.

I would be concerned about acute radiation toxicity (burns) and the longer-term risk for cancer. You may think it's silly, since, after all, the child could have been severely injured by any number parts of merciless, large machinery. However, having survived the ordeal relatively unscathed, I very much hope that she didn't pass through a scanner. That may be a large radiation dose, but I seem to be unable to find any useful information about the radiation dose one would sustain from a trip through a scanner.

Then again, if the kid had gone through a scanner, I sure hope someone would have noticed it on the monitor and raised an alarm. The fact that the article doesn't mention that is reassuring.
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