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A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:24 am

Just thought I share the news that an A319 landed on the Wilkins Runway!

Apparently it will be doing flights for scientists and researchers only. The aircraft doesn't refuel there and returns to Hobart from where the flights will be taking place more frequently.
 
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:45 am

How long of a flight is it? and what aircraft is it like reg number? that is real cool.
 
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:54 am

Thanks for letting us know about this...very interesting...

The A319 appears to be this one...VH-VHD


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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:54 am

The A319 replaced the Antarctic Research Institutes ship that was used to ferry people and supplies. By boat it was taking upwards of 4 days each way, now it's only a matter of hours.
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:00 am

When do tickets go on sale?  biggrin 
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:05 am

Quoting Platinumfoota (Reply 4):
When do tickets go on sale?

When you get your PhD and they offer you a job.   


"Each flight will take approx 4.3 hours in either direction. The aircraft will spend 2-3 hours on the ground in Antarctica before returning to Hobart."

http://www.aad.gov.au/default.asp?casid=33742

[Edited 2007-12-12 23:12:16]
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:16 am

WOW very cool i wanna be on that flight. i wonder if u get a meal on that flight lol.
 
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:48 am



Quoting Platinumfoota (Reply 4):
When do tickets go on sale?

Dear Potential Antarctican Plane Spotter,

We regret to inform you that your anorak is not thick enough to protect you against the local weather conditions and due to safety regulations we cannot allow you on the base.

Kind regards,

Australian Antarctic Division

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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:02 pm

I will ask my close friend to ask his partner to see if he can take some photos as he is one of the pilots

What a job if you can get it

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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:13 pm



Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 5):
When you get your PhD and they offer you a job.

No you don't have to. Some lucky Masters students do go to Antartica for field work. A lot of times, it is the good old Hercules or Starlifter from Christchurch though.
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:20 pm



Quoting Cchan (Reply 9):
No you don't have to. Some lucky Masters students do go to Antartica for field work. A lot of times, it is the good old Hercules or Starlifter from Christchurch though.

Not anymore.... starlifters are gone...
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 12:53 pm

Interesting...used to be no full engine shutdown in the past down there......watching the mp4 obvious both 1 and 2 are shut and ac runs on the apu.
 
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:26 pm



Quoting Zkpilot (Reply 10):
the C-17 is a sexy beast

Indeed she is, that minx.
 
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 4:33 pm

I would imagine that operations could only be really carried out during the months that it is light there...in winter, things get a bit nasty down there...I have to think that even an A319 (with high power/weight ratio) would have trouble stopping on ice in winter. Thoughts?

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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:02 pm

I can't get the video to work, can anyone insert the video here?

So cool! I wish they had flights south when I was in Hobart in 1993!
 
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:19 pm

Forgive me for asking what may be a stupid question but...

How does one brake an aircraft on ice ? Is the ice especially treated (grooves,...) to make it less slippery than it otherwise would be or is the combined work of the thrust reversers and spoilers enough ?
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:19 pm



Quoting Jasondn (Thread starter):

Apparently it will be doing flights for scientists and researchers only.

Not that strange, considering the lack of hotel rooms and the ghastly night life.

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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:35 pm

Re the video...the server it is on is slow....open the link and be prepared to wait for quite a bit before the whole thing comes down....
 
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:40 pm

It doesn't seem that the A319 would have the range to fly for almost 9 hours including two takeoffs, landings, and a stopover (with APU running) without refueling at Antarctica. Does anybody else have any thoughts on this?
 
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 6:45 pm



Quoting Tmamtrak (Reply 19):

I guess a huge payload penalty
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:04 pm



Quoting Tmamtrak (Reply 19):
It doesn't seem that the A319 would have the range to fly for almost 9 hours including two takeoffs, landings, and a stopover (with APU running) without refueling at Antarctica. Does anybody else have any thoughts on this?

I assume that this is actually an A319CJ like the ones operated by PrivatAir over the Atlantic everyday. Sort of an Airbus equivelant to the BBJ. They supposedly feature several extra auxillary fuel tanks in some of the cargo space. The aircraft/data section of A.net lists the range of these aircraft as 6300nm making a trip of this sort easy.
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:08 pm



Quoting SNA350 (Reply 20):
I guess a huge payload penalty

 checkmark  I'm 100% sure this aircraft has auxiliary tanks.
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:17 pm



Quoting SNA350 (Reply 20):
I guess a huge payload penalty

I guess that means less booze! I know If I was going to Antartica for a few months, I would want to drink the entire flight there!!!  Big grin
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:17 pm



Quoting Wagz (Reply 21):
I assume that this is actually an A319CJ like the ones operated by PrivatAir over the Atlantic everyday.

It is the A319 LR version.
 
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:31 pm

I think that opening it up for commercial passengers would be a mistake.

If they do so, then it will not remain pristine for long.
 
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:55 pm

What about De-icing... Do they have the facilities down there to de-ice a medium sized airliner???
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 7:56 pm



Quoting Doona (Reply 17):
Not that strange, considering the lack of hotel rooms and the ghastly night life.

And on top of that the nights last 6 months...

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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:03 pm



Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 26):
What about De-icing... Do they have the facilities down there to de-ice a medium sized airliner???

I don't think that is necessary. Antarctica is besides a desert the driest place on earth. It doesn't rain in Antarctica and if it is snowing you can't land their anyway.
 
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 8:09 pm



Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 16):
How does one brake an aircraft on ice ? Is the ice especially treated (grooves,...) to make it less slippery than it otherwise would be or is the combined work of the thrust reversers and spoilers enough ?

I forgot to address this in my last post, but I believe I saw a video of the DC-6 or 7 (cant remember which it was) landing in Antarctica, and I believe they used just reverse thrust (pitch on the prop) to stop the aircraft. I would imagine that landing the A319 would be in a similar manner, as you described, using mostly reverse thrust and spoilers with little or no braking action. I can just see what the atis for the airport would read, Braking action: Nil like always!! Hope this helps a bit!
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:19 pm

Thats incredible but how can it stop on ice runway. Probably no brakes used at all as CBPhoto said only reverse thrust and spoilers...

By the way does anyone know if there is ICAO code for the runway it landed??? I heard that it is 4000m long.
 
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:20 pm

How did it approach? Are there any instruments there such as VOR DME NDB ?
 
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:26 pm



Quoting Hiflyer (Reply 11):
Interesting...used to be no full engine shutdown in the past down there......watching the mp4 obvious both 1 and 2 are shut and ac runs on the apu.

It's the middle of the summer down there now - hardly as cold as Sapporo, or Helsinki.

Quoting Can258 (Reply 29):
how can it stop on ice runway.

Anti-skid really helps - but easy on the brakes and use reverse thrust for most of the slow down. The most dangerous part on ice is the taxi - according to a friend who used to be on Navy C-130's down there. Easy to go faster than the grip on the ice will allow.

The ice is actually kind of rough because it has been plowed - not a smooth glaze.
 
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:28 pm



Quoting Can258 (Reply 30):
How did it approach? Are there any instruments there such as VOR DME NDB ?

GPS I would imagine
 
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:43 pm

Take a look at these photos on how the runway is built / prepared - note the runway is "Snow Capped" not Ice.

http://www.aad.gov.au/default.asp?casid=21887

This is a really interesting web site
 
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 9:54 pm



Quoting BlueFlyer (Reply 15):
How does one brake an aircraft on ice ? Is the ice especially treated (grooves,...) to make it less slippery than it otherwise would be or is the combined work of the thrust reversers and spoilers enough ?



Quoting Can258 (Reply 29):
Thats incredible but how can it stop on ice runway.

Its a pretty technologically advanced runway. That ice is grooved, yes, and it isn't really slippery at all. From what I've been told, it behaves a lot like a regular runway.

Quoting Tmamtrak (Reply 18):
It doesn't seem that the A319 would have the range to fly for almost 9 hours including two takeoffs, landings, and a stopover (with APU running) without refueling at Antarctica. Does anybody else have any thoughts on this?



Quoting Wagz (Reply 20):
They supposedly feature several extra auxillary fuel tanks in some of the cargo space.

It is, in fact an A319LR. The A319LR's range is 4500nm, and has 4 tanks installed standard (the ACJ has 6)

Quoting Wagz (Reply 20):
The aircraft/data section of A.net lists the range of these aircraft as 6300nm making a trip of this sort easy.

You know better than to believe the a.net data.  Smile The ACJ's range is about 6300-6600nm. The A319LR's only about 4500.

Quoting SKAirbus (Reply 25):
What about De-icing... Do they have the facilities down there to de-ice a medium sized airliner???

Too cold for ice.  Smile

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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:02 pm

Wilkins Runway

Named after the legendary patron and pioneer of early Antarctic aviation, Sir Hubert Wilkins, the Wilkins Runway is located approximately 70km south east of Casey and will serve as the Antarctic terminal for the intercontinental air service.


Situated in an area of Antarctica known as Wilkes' Land, the runway has been sited 700 meters above sea level to minimise the likelihood of melt as the coast is relatively warm by Antarctic standards during the summer months.

The Wilkins Runway will operate as a 'Certified Aerodrome' under the approval of the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA). In order for this to occur the runway had to comply with international requirements for runway characteristics, condition reporting, operating procedures and quality systems.

Wilkins is significantly different from other runways that have been approved by the Australian regulator and both the AAD and CASA worked closely together in developing the runway. Due to the dynamic nature of the runway, a series of tests will need to be conducted on the pavement immediately prior to any use by aircraft to ensure that prescribed hardness, friction and density requirements are met.

Demonstration flights to the Wilkins Runway occured during the austral summer of 2006-07 and regular passenger flights are scheduled to commence during this 2007-08 season. The runway will be operating between October and March each year.

The C212-400 aircraft will provide connecting services between Wilkins and Davis and Mawson.

Runway facts
Location: S 66°41'22" E 111°29'09"
Dimensions: 4000m x 100m
Visual aids: PAPI, threshold and end lighting, lead in and edge markers
Distance from Casey: 70 km
Elevation:700-760 m ASL
Center line slope: 1.72%
Cross slope: 0.220 to 0.984%
Glacial movement:12 m/year to South West
Ice thickness: approx 700 m
Mean temperature: -14°C
 
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 10:47 pm

check out operators website ...

http://www.skytraders.com.au & then click on Antarctica.

The Airlink will operate between Hobart and Antarctica between mid October to mid March.

So what on earth is this expensive realtively new aircraft going to be doing the other 7 months of the year?

Perhaps they could fill it with seats(not sure what maximum seating on an A319 is) & make it available for general charters at a great rate, seeing it would be incremenetal business & being on Australian register with a huge range it could fly anywhere in Australia or NZ or between the 2 countries.
 
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:52 pm

They could use it for shuttling people around, I'm not sure the expedition is set up for charter business.

They could, also, just keep it on the ground. What do they do with the other aircraft from down there the rest of the year, like the C130s?

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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:04 am

Funny to have an airport moving 12m per year. But then, if all the markers and papis move along, they should be OK Big grin

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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:38 am



Quoting ECONOMICS (Reply 36):
So what on earth is this expensive realtively new aircraft going to be doing the other 7 months of the year?

According to the operator's website the plane can be chartered for business or government missions.
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:51 am

What happens to the runway after summer is done down under? Does it disappear in the massive snowfall they have?
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:11 am



Quoting Gigneil (Reply 34):
The ACJ's range is about 6300-6600nm. The A319LR's only about 4500.

Sorry for the irrelevant question that I have to ask: How can I get pricing information for a brand new ACJ? I couldn't find it on airbus's website. Thinking about buying one  Wink

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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:29 am



Quoting Pizzaandplanes (Reply 40):
What happens to the runway after summer is done down under? Does it disappear in the massive snowfall they have?

They don't have massive snowfall. In fact Antarctica is the driest continent on earth despite the appearance of ice etc.
As for the runway, it does remain but isn't used and needs to be prepared again the next year. Also it moves so that needs to be taken into account. The main thing is that it is relatively easy to modify it as nothing needs to be built as such.
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:44 am



Quoting SkyexRamper (Reply 5):

"Each flight will take approx 4.3 hours in either direction. The aircraft will spend 2-3 hours on the ground in Antarctica before returning to Hobart."



Quoting Tmamtrak (Reply 18):
It doesn't seem that the A319 would have the range to fly for almost 9 hours including two takeoffs, landings, and a stopover (with APU running) without refueling at Antarctica. Does anybody else have any thoughts on this?



Quoting Jasondn (Reply 23):

It is the A319 LR version.

The A319LR is derived from the ACJ, just with fewer ACTs. They don't need all the cargo/baggage space and likely don't carry huge passenger loads, which allows them substantial range.
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:00 am

PhD be damned, I'm stepping foot on Antarctica sometime in my life. Wouldn't want to stay long though, all that isolation must make for some sexual frustration down there. haha.

Quoting Amax1977 (Reply 41):
How can I get pricing information for a brand new ACJ?

$55-65 million green, like Oprah money.  Smile Interiors are another couple million.

Quoting Gigneil (Reply 37):
They could, also, just keep it on the ground. What do they do with the other aircraft from down there the rest of the year, like the C130s?

Private/cargo/corporate/government charter, the Skytrader people anyway. AFAIK the C-130s are various governments planes e.g. RNZAF, Chilean AF, etc.
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:52 am



Quoting Jasondn (Reply 32):
Quoting Can258 (Reply 30):
How did it approach? Are there any instruments there such as VOR DME NDB ?

GPS I would imagine

or maybe the TPWV(Two Pilots with Visual) System.  praise 
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:25 am



Quoting BuyantUkhaa (Reply 38):

Interesting...looks like the hot exhaust from the APU has melted some of the snow behind the aircaft causing the surface to become more shiny...
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:51 am



Quoting Allrite (Reply 39):
Quoting ECONOMICS (Reply 36):
So what on earth is this expensive realtively new aircraft going to be doing the other 7 months of the year?

According to the operator's website the plane can be chartered for business or government missions.

Sounds very adhoc !!!

They'd surely be better off getting regular charter work, like a few set days a week !!!
 
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RE: A319 Landed In Antartica

Fri Dec 14, 2007 12:52 pm



Quoting Pizzaandplanes (Reply 40):
What happens to the runway after summer is done down under? Does it disappear in the massive snowfall they have?

Look at the website for the Australian Antarctic operation - they show you how the runway is rebuilt every year. But it took a couple years of rebuilding to create the base layers strong enough to be certified as a runway.

Also, before every flight comes in they have to test the runway and make sure it has not moved, shifted, fractured, changed elevation.

The procedures for building and maintaining runways for safe flight on the continent are well established and have been refined over 50 years of flight operations. While this is the first Airbus to land on this runway, it's not the first aircraft to use the runway.

Also it's not the first jet to land on the continent - the US Air Force has flown C-141 and C-17 jets frequently. I also think Chile and Argentina have flown jets to their runways on the other side of the continent. However I believe their runways are not on the snow pack / glaciers like this runway and McMurdo - but actually on land.

This runway and McMurdo are purposely located on the snow pack/ glaciers away from the research stations which are located on relatively dry land. In this case, they had to put the runway about 70km away from the base to get on stable enough snow/ ice.

As noted above - there is only a couple inches precipitation down there each year. However, there are some intense blizzards. They are not falling snow, but heavy winds picking up the snow/ ice on the surface and blowing it around.

The blizzards down there have much more in common with desert sandstorms than what we think of as a blizzard.
 
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:20 pm