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How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?

Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:30 pm

With talk of Southwest & other U.S. domestic operators reducing capacity next year, they must be either parking or selling 737-300's or 737-500's or both.

How do they sell them or are many leased?

Heard that might be some heading down under?
 
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Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:35 pm

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RE: How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?

Thu Dec 13, 2007 11:38 pm

They dispose of them like every other airline in the world does. Those worth resale are resold..... those beyond their value are scraped
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RE: How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:48 am

Well, if this photo is any indication:


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RE: How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:58 am



Quoting ECONOMICS (Thread starter):
With talk of Southwest & other U.S. domestic operators reducing capacity next year, they must be either parking or selling 737-300's or 737-500's or both.

How do they sell them or are many leased?

Heard that might be some heading down under?

Early last week, the first scheduled -300 retirement took place, when N319SW came off the line. It's a leased aircraft, and will be going back to the lessor in a few days. Reportedly, 2 other leased -300s will also come off the line in December, and another 3 in January 2008. Those 6 could end up anywhere, and 2 of them are non-3H4 models we acquired from somewhere else. None of the 25 737-500s have gone anywhere.

I don't know (off hand) how many are owned/leased, but IIRC about 70% of our fleet is owned and the rest leased. The original -300s (N300SW, N301SW, and N302SW) are all older than the retired N319SW, but are owned, yet their age dictates they'll also be retired at some point. Exactly when is anyone's guess, so stay tuned.
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RE: How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:12 am

They park them at middle of nowhere airports and turn them into diners.
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RE: How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:23 am

ha Graphic, beat me to it. typical southwest fashion, huh? i sure wouldnt mind taking one off their hands, spending some scratch and turning it into a fine life-size simulator out in the back yard. like to see the neighbors beat that.
 
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RE: How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:26 am



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 5):
and 2 of them are non-3H4 models we acquired from somewhere else.

Might these be the ex-AirCal/American -300s? (N674AA and N675AA iirc).
 
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:35 am



Quoting ECONOMICS (Thread starter):
With talk of Southwest & other U.S. domestic operators reducing capacity next year, they must be either parking or selling 737-300's or 737-500's or both.

Southwest wont be reducing capacity. They may slow capacity growth, but a reduction is not in the cards.

Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 5):

I don't know (off hand) how many are owned/leased, but IIRC about 70% of our fleet is owned and the rest leased.

As I can tell, it seems that the majority of the leased aircraft are ones that were acquired second hand.
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RE: How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:10 am



Quoting Tango-Bravo (Reply 8):
Might these be the ex-AirCal/American -300s? (N674AA and N675AA iirc).

One of them is an ex-OC/AA (not N674 or N675 though) and the other is an ex-Morris bird, IIRC. Both have Boeing line numbers around that of N319SW...
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RE: How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:17 pm

They leave them in mall parking lots with the keys in the ignition.
 
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RE: How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:20 pm



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 11):
They leave them in mall parking lots with the keys in the ignition.

Come to think of it, we were short an originator at DTW and PHL last week....  Wink
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RE: How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:42 pm



Quoting Bobnwa (Reply 11):
They leave them in mall parking lots with the keys in the ignition.

Kind of like what happens in India where a 737 will show up in the street for a week, and then suddenly disappear again during the night!
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RE: How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:46 pm

No no no, you all have it wrong. Disposing of an aircraft is a very painstaking and detailed process, usually involving late nights and what seems almost like games to finally finish...

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RE: How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:11 pm

Some go to Slovakia:


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RE: How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 6:35 pm



Quoting 2H4 (Reply 23):
Some go to Slovakia:

If you'll search for "737-2H4" in the photo database, you'll see that the ex-SWA birds now come in a variety of new colors...  Wink

A couple have been lost in accidents by their new operators. One was written-off after a bad landing in one of the whatever-istans (Almay?) and another was lost in a CFIT crash in the Phillipines, both those events occurring a few years back. What's left of N102SW is over at the Frontiers of Flight Museum at DAL, and N67SW is parked at DAL and is use as a trainer for ramp and provisioning folks. One is a restaurant at the ARG airport up in Arkansas, and some have been broken up at MHV. There were some parked at IGM, and some of them may have met the same fate. I think a couple were also broken up at OKC and Opa Locka.
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RE: How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:19 pm



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 24):
I think a couple were also broken up at OKC and Opa Locka.

I saw a couple when picking up freight in ARG (Walnut Ridge, Ark) as well. That was kind of a nice surprise seeing some SW 732's and CO MD-80's there at a 5000' strip. I know one of them was N90SW and the other was N86SW.
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RE: How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:37 pm

Hey Guys:

I am new to this forum and this is actually my second post! - I am a huge WN fan and I figure I might comment on this topic.

I have had the privilege to fly on ship 322 which is set to be retired soon, Hopefully 322 wont become a restaurant or anything else like that! I suppose these a/c will still have some time left to be spent with some other airlines somewhere in the world. Maybe one of the WN employees might know this but any idea of N317WN is next on the list to be phased out- WN got it from Easyjet in 1999.
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RE: How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:11 pm

N322SW is one of the first 6 to be going...

N317WN looks to be here awhile...
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RE: How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:39 pm

Wasn't there a 732, once operated by WN, that became an artificial reef a few years back? There was a big production made of it (the sinking) for TV that I remember seeing. A practical method of ridding unwanted airframes.
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RE: How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 8:58 pm



Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 19):
Wasn't there a 732, once operated by WN, that became an artificial reef a few years back? There was a big production made of it (the sinking) for TV that I remember seeing.

Nothing comes to mind... Maybe another airline's bird? Maybe I was off that day...  Wink
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RE: How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:20 pm



Quoting FlagshipAZ (Reply 19):
Wasn't there a 732, once operated by WN, that became an artificial reef a few years back? There was a big production made of it (the sinking) for TV that I remember seeing. A practical method of ridding unwanted airframes.
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IIRC, this was either a Canada 3000 or a WestJet bird...I remember watching the special about it on the Discovery channel. It was sunk off the coast of the north end of Vancouver Island...
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RE: How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:26 pm



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 21):
IIRC, this was either a Canada 3000 or a WestJet bird...I remember watching the special about it on the Discovery channel. It was sunk off the coast of the north end of Vancouver Island...

Here you go:

http://dive.bc.ca/boeing-737/boeing-737_wreck.html

Westtjet did have some ex-SWA -2H4 models, although I don't know if the one sunk was one of them... Registration number of the one sunk, anyone?
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RE: How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 10:32 pm



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 22):
Registration number of the one sunk, anyone?

I'll look for my diving magazine. It was an Ex WestJet, America West, something else....... I had ridden Jumpseat on it several times. Look forward to diving on it as well.

They took out the floor, so it's a big tube now. You can swim in and out through any of the PAX doors or cargo doors. A platform was fabricated and attached, to it sits above the ocean floor. You can swim under.
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RE: How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 11:55 pm



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 22):
Westtjet did have some ex-SWA -2H4 models, although I don't know if the one sunk was one of them... Registration number of the one sunk, anyone?

It was apparently Canadi>n Airlines (ex-CP Air), registration C-GBPW.


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RE: How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?

Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:07 am

That would be a 737-275, and not an old SWA bird...
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RE: How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?

Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:11 am



Quoting OPNLguy (Reply 25):
That would be a 737-275, and not an old SWA bird...

According to a.net's database, it did some time at HP, and, amazingly enough, with a Canadian registration while there.

I know leases create funny situations, but I thought that in the US, for the bird to fly scheduled flights for a US carrier, it had to be on our registry (i.e. have an N-number?).
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RE: How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?

Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:24 am



Quoting KELPkid (Reply 26):
I know leases create funny situations, but I thought that in the US, for the bird to fly scheduled flights for a US carrier, it had to be on our registry (i.e. have an N-number?).

I'm no legal scholar, but we used to run EI-ASH, EI-BEE, and OO-TEM without re-registering them. Ditto at Air Florida with PH-TVH, PH-TVI, G-BJSM, and G-BJFH...
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RE: How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?

Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:34 am

I remember flying on one of the Irish-registry birds on WN quite a while back. It was white with green and blue trim; odd.
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RE: How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?

Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:39 am



Quoting SCCutler (Reply 28):
I remember flying on one of the Irish-registry birds on WN quite a while back. It was white with green and blue trim; odd.

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RE: How Does Southwest Dispose Of Aircraft?

Sat Dec 15, 2007 4:36 am



Quoting SCCutler (Reply 28):
I remember flying on one of the Irish-registry birds on WN quite a while back. It was white with green and blue trim; odd.

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