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Could An SJU-HNL Route Work In The Future?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:19 am

It has been a while since I have posted a thread not relating to Delta or to seats/IFE.

With the growing number of Puerto Ricans migrating to Hawaii, what is the possibility of a potential SJU-HNL route? Currently, probably only a 777/A340/747 can handle such a route, however, with the 787 and the A350 on the horizon, perhaps these new aircraft could open up the possibility of such a route. HA could perhaps provide the route on a A350, or if AA orders the 787, then AA could use a 787 on such route. One issue with such pair, however, is that both HNL and SJU are considered low-yield markets. As of 2000, Puerto Ricans make up 2.5% of the population of Hawaii.
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:25 am



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
As of 2000, Puerto Ricans make up 2.5% of the population of Hawaii.

Which is about 30,000 people total (2.5% of 1.2 million). Also, most of the Puerto Ricans here came in the late 1800s (atleast all the ones I know/am related to did).

I really would not consider this a sustainable route.....atleast for the next 10-20 years.

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RE: Could An SJU-HNL Route Work In The Future?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:25 am

I would say that it would never happen. I can't imagine there is much cargo demand between the two locals or premium passengers.
 
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:36 am

If there was such thing as negative percent, it would be in the negatives. Until then, 0%.
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RE: Could An SJU-HNL Route Work In The Future?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:42 am

What the hell for?

Go from SJU to HNL?

Why? The fifteen people a year that go from Puerto Rico to Hawaii on vacation are - obviously - braindead . . .

What market is there for that?
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RE: Could An SJU-HNL Route Work In The Future?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:43 am



Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 1):
Which is about 30,000 people total (2.5% of 1.2 million). Also, most of the Puerto Ricans here came in the late 1800s (atleast all the ones I know/am related to did).

Actually, from 1990 to 2000, the Puerto Rican population increased from 2.3% to 2.5%. Therefore, the migration is somewhat still going on.
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:54 am



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5):
Actually, from 1990 to 2000, the Puerto Rican population increased from 2.3% to 2.5%. Therefore, the migration is somewhat still going on.

That is a very, very, very small statistical increase.....pretty much insignificant.

Like most "ethnicity" surverys in Hawai'i there is always a fluctuation, mostly because everyone here is multi-ethnic and the race they choose to report often changes. For instance, my Puerto Rican relatives are all Puerto Rican, Spanish, & Portuguese plus one or more of the following: Hawaiian, Black, Chinese and Filipino. The wording of the survey influences what they mark.....they could be Wite today, Back tomorrow, Asian on Tuesday and multiethnic next week....depends on the question and the choices.

Any study of race/ethinicty in Hawai'i is flawed because none alow you say you are 1/16 of XXXXX 16 times....which is how most people here list their ethnicty (I've met people who are 1/16 of 16 things). I have seen a variety of surveys/polls/censuses which say the Japanese population here is between 20% and 50%.....the same goes for whites. Neither number is truly correct, and if I saw that one survey said 20% 5 years ago and 50% today the last thing I would think is "migration."

I am not saying there aren't any Puerto Ricans moving here (I'm sure a FEW) did. I just don't think your data supports any sort of "migration" going on.

Just curious why this route intrigues you all of a sudden??

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Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:58 am



Quoting Aloha73G (Reply 6):
Just curious why this route intrigues you all of a sudden??

I was born in Puerto Rico, and lived in Hawaii up until 1994. And really, I am NOT making this up.
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:01 am



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5):
Actually, from 1990 to 2000, the Puerto Rican population increased from 2.3% to 2.5%. Therefore, the migration is somewhat still going on.

And I'm gonna guess the number of folks in PR that wanna venture to HNL for aholiday is about zippidty . . . population increase notwithstanding . . .
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RE: Could An SJU-HNL Route Work In The Future?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:03 am



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
what is the possibility of a potential SJU-HNL route?

Leisure island destination in the Pacific to leisure island destination in the Carribean. Probably not possible non-stop.
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Quoting 1337Delta764 (Thread starter):
Currently, probably only a 777/A340/747 can handle such a route,

Add the 767-200ER/300ER/400ER, and A330-200/300 to the list.
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RE: Could An SJU-HNL Route Work In The Future?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:05 am



Quoting ANCFlyer (Reply 8):
And I'm gonna guess the number of folks in PR that wanna venture to HNL for aholiday is about zippidty . . . population increase notwithstanding . . .

And furthermore, even if people from Puerto Rico wanted to go to HNL, it could be very easily done with one connection somewhere in the US, whether it be on CO through IAH or EWR, DL through ATL, AA through LAX, UA through ORD, etc.
 
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RE: Could An SJU-HNL Route Work In The Future?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:09 am

Between the HNL-DFW-SJU, HNL-IAH-SJU, HNL-LAX-SJU, HNL-ORD-SJU and HNL-ATL-SJU options, all of them pretty direct except ORD, I think it's covered. If there was more demand, or a reason to move cargo between SJU and HNL (tropical island to tropical island. why?) then I might say otherwise.
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 5:19 am

Please tell me you are joking  Yeah sure
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RE: Could An SJU-HNL Route Work In The Future?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:20 am

Actually off topic but I have wondered why there isn't a HNL-MIA nonstop. Or is there?
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Fri Dec 14, 2007 7:27 am



Quoting Qantas787 (Reply 13):
Actually off topic but I have wondered why there isn't a HNL-MIA nonstop. Or is there?

There isn't. Miamians vacation in the Caribbean, not Hawai'i.
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RE: Could An SJU-HNL Route Work In The Future?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 1:25 pm

They could use a long range C-172 and take care of all the passengers wanting to go SJU-HNL-SJU. It would rival Key West-Lenigrad for demand.
 
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RE: Could An SJU-HNL Route Work In The Future?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 2:52 pm

How do you come up with these topics? Unreal....

If the traffic is on the increase between PR and Hawai'i, common sense prevails:

1. Why would a person leave one "island of paradise" for another?
2. There isnt any market for it. Even at 2% population. C'mon??
3. Yields would be low, low, low, low b/c most of the work force doesn't make the big bucks
on either island compared to work forces on mainland USA.
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RE: Could An SJU-HNL Route Work In The Future?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 3:20 pm

This route has a much chance of happening as BIL-CDG!!!

zero,zip,zilch....its not happening!!!!

as stated above....where do you come up with these routes? Do you have dreams at night or just hope they add it if you post it on here?????
 
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RE: Could An SJU-HNL Route Work In The Future?

Fri Dec 14, 2007 4:53 pm



Quoting 1337Delta764 (Reply 5):
Actually, from 1990 to 2000, the Puerto Rican population increased from 2.3% to 2.5%. Therefore, the migration is somewhat still going on.

The Puerto Ricans could have had children.

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