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Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:47 am

Just on CTV news, Cathay Pacific flight ### currently dumping fuel over Burrad Inlet...the news is saying it is "flap" problem
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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:49 am

Flight number is CX839
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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:01 am

A safe landing gentleman!

The commentary on the news is hilarious though  rotfl 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:01 am

It's on CBC Newsworld right now. It landed safely. It seems OK right now.
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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:08 am

Now I just have to see how bad my evening commute is from teh bridge closures they did earlier  Sad
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:09 am

You beat me by about four minutes in posting this!
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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:17 am



Quoting FlyingSikh (Thread starter):
ust on CTV news, Cathay Pacific flight ### currently dumping fuel over Burrad Inlet...

Having just driven over the second narrows bridge, I can assure you no one was dumping fuel over Burrard Inlet. My guess is they dumped it a few kilometers west of Tofino. Is that your info? Or did some lamebrain reporter say that. If they dumped over Burrard Inlet that really would mean an emergency.

Glad it landed without incident
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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:20 am



Quoting Arrow (Reply 7):

ctv news
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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:22 am

Wasn't Zeke behind the wheel, was it???
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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:32 am



Quoting FlyingSikh (Reply 8):
ctv news

Two scenarios:

1. Idiot cop/airport spokesperson/airline spokesperson told the reporter that and has no idea where Burrard Inlet is.
2. idiot reporter (probably national reporter) took an uninformed stab at it, also has no idea where Burrard Inlet is.

The fog of war strikes again.
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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:24 pm

"Standby landings aren't uncommon. It's not unusual to have one a week," Donegani said after the plane had landed safely.

What the heck is a standby landing? Is it also known as a precautionary landing?
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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:47 pm

Just a faulty cockpit warning light falsely indicating flaps not retracted over speed limit. No big deal.

Bad news to the environment though - 50t dumped.

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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Sun Dec 16, 2007 3:12 am

Well, at least they didn't dump fuel again over Burrad Inlet, where some crazy construction worker decided to drill a pipeline last year and caused a fuel accident that I have never heard of before.

So where did they dump the fuel? Georgia Strait?

Glad the plane had no problems, my friend was on the same flight one day before.
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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Sun Dec 16, 2007 6:40 am



Quoting Ktachiya (Reply 13):
So where did they dump the fuel? Georgia Strait?

Off the west coast of Vancouver Island.
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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:18 am



Quoting FlyingSikh (Thread starter):
dumping fuel over Burrad Inlet

LOL, that I'd like to see Big grin

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 12):
Bad news to the environment though - 50t dumped.

Not to mention bad news for CX's bean counters ... Big grin
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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:39 am

"The Landing Flap".

Hilarious!!

Is that different to "The Take-Off Flap", or "The Cruise Flap" or "The Turbulence Flap"? Do you get different flaps depending on ticket price or class of service? Awesome journalism....!  Big grin  rotfl 
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:00 am



Quoting Arrow (Reply 7):
ust on CTV news, Cathay Pacific flight ### currently dumping fuel over Burrad Inlet...
Having just driven over the second narrows bridge, I can assure you no one was dumping fuel over Burrard Inlet.



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 15):
Quoting FlyingSikh (Thread starter):dumping fuel over Burrad Inlet
LOL, that I'd like to see 

You do realise that under MOST circumstances you cannot see fuel being dumped? It USUALLY evaporates loooong before it reaches the ground.

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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:30 pm



Quoting Jmc1975 (Reply 11):
What the heck is a standby landing?

It's just like a standby ticket. you may or may not get to make a landing. If the airport is busy you get bumped to the next airport and so on until you find one with space.  Smile  duck 

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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Sun Dec 16, 2007 12:58 pm

The amount of kerosene they dumped would be able to afford to run the diesel engine of my car for more than ten years. Guilty flaps they are in this time when fuel prices have been so raised.
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Sun Dec 16, 2007 5:21 pm



Quoting Gemuser (Reply 17):
You do realise that under MOST circumstances you cannot see fuel being dumped? It USUALLY evaporates loooong before it reaches the ground.

Which of course has the same net effect on the environment, it's just dispersed over a wider area. No fear, all that fuel will eventually reach the surface. A necessary but unfortunate byproduct of an immediate return-to-land scenario.
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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:37 pm



Quoting Gemuser (Reply 17):
You do realise that under MOST circumstances you cannot see fuel being dumped? It USUALLY evaporates loooong before it reaches the ground.

Yes, but with so many under populated areas a stretches of open water, it would be curious to see an airliner circling over Burrard Inlet, also due to the close proximity of the mountains.
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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:18 pm



Quoting Threepoint (Reply 20):
Which of course has the same net effect on the environment, it's just dispersed over a wider area. No fear, all that fuel will eventually reach the surface.

Of course! But the point was that you usually cannot tell, visually, that an aircraft is dumping fuel.

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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:26 am

Friends working that night tell me that when the 340 landed chunks of ice fell from the area the fuel was being dumped and it took longer to dump the fuel due to the fuel icing problem
 
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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:00 am

Quoting Qblue (Reply 23):
fuel icing problem

Kerosene freezes at about -73degC depending on the exact composition of the fuel. Ambient temperature in the troposphere is about -60degC at 32000'- 65000'. So in all normal circumstances the fuel is in liquid form in the tank of an aeroplane even if not heated. When fuel is jettisoned it evaporates in the atmosphere. The jettisoned fuel disturbs the supercooled water vapour in the air and causes it to condense and ice. Much the same as how artificial rain is made.

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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:23 am

http://www.cyclingnews.com/photos.ph...4/diaries/niki/niki045/DumpingFuel

Quoting Gemuser (Reply 22):
But the point was that you usually cannot tell, visually, that an aircraft is dumping fuel.

Really? These are all images of aircraft dumping fuel.


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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:44 am



Quoting Threepoint (Reply 25):
Really? These are all images of aircraft dumping fuel.

I did say "USUALLY". All of those images appear to be from in flight,(except maybe the last one) which was rather outside the discussion of seeing the dumping from the ground.

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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:47 am



Quoting Gemuser (Reply 26):
which was rather outside the discussion of seeing the dumping from the ground.

OK, I didn't know we were making that distinction. But I maintain that fuel dumping, given a clear day, would be visible to the ground-based observer too.
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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:33 am



Quoting Gemuser (Reply 22):
Of course! But the point was that you usually cannot tell, visually, that an aircraft is dumping fuel



Quoting Threepoint (Reply 27):
OK, I didn't know we were making that distinction. But I maintain that fuel dumping, given a clear day, would be visible to the ground-based observer too.

Yes...I believe that too, in a matter of fact I am almost positive I saw ground based pictures on the forums somewhere when a 747 made an emergency landing at SFO (cant remember the airline) with what looked like contrails, but was indeed fuel being dumped! Of course it all depends on the altitude that the fuel is being dumped, if it was at 41,000 ft, then I would agree you most likely would not see it!!
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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Mon Dec 17, 2007 6:55 am

Point of the matter is, with so much open space (and I'm sure designated fuel dumping areas) available, having a plane circle around Burrard Inlet, and I don't think the aircraft would be anywhere near cruising altitude, just wouldn't happen. Those wacky folks up in North and West Van would be on the phones quicker then you could say Howe Sound.
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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:17 pm



Quoting CBPhoto (Reply 28):
Of course it all depends on the altitude that the fuel is being dumped, if it was at 41,000 ft, then I would agree you most likely would not see it!!

It also depends on temps, humidity & wind. If conditions are such as you see an ordinary contra tail from the ground, then yes you will most likely see the fuel dump, otherwise no.

I have seen a fuel dump valve test on the ground and it was hard to see the dumped fuel untill it accumalated in the barrel catching it.

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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Mon Dec 17, 2007 11:55 pm



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 29):
Point of the matter is, with so much open space (and I'm sure designated fuel dumping areas) available, having a plane circle around Burrard Inlet, and I don't think the aircraft would be anywhere near cruising altitude, just wouldn't happen.

Any reports of dumping over Burrard Inlet were an obvious mistake. The plane went west to Vancouver Island, well out of the view of people and far from any towns and air traffic.

But there are no designated fuel dumping areas. A pilot does it where required, with the obvious intention to keep it from populated areas.
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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:09 am



Quoting ACDC8 (Reply 29):
Those wacky folks up in North and West Van would be on the phones quicker then you could say Howe Sound.

Damn right!
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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:18 am



Quoting Gemuser (Reply 22):
Of course! But the point was that you usually cannot tell, visually, that an aircraft is dumping fuel.

Gemuser

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RE: Cathay Pacific Making Emergency Landing At YVR

Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:19 am



Quoting LHR777 (Reply 16):
Awesome journalism....!

Journamalisming ain't easy!

Quoting Cloudyapple (Reply 24):
Kerosene freezes at about -73degC depending on the exact composition of the fuel.

Freezing temp for Jet A is -40C.
Freezing temp for Jet A-1 is -47C.

Whether or not Canada uses Jet A or A-1... I do not know.
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