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AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sat Dec 15, 2007 12:58 am

Current contract would prohibit an independent/spun off Eagle from operating Love, Kansas City and San Jose flights.

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071214/american_eagle_flights.html?.v=1

Saber rattling? Legitimate? Any insight or thoughts?
 
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sat Dec 15, 2007 1:14 am

Isn't 250 flights a small number of the total flights operated by American Eagle, much ado about nothing?
 
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sat Dec 15, 2007 2:30 am

The union also says that RDU and SNA would likely lose flights.
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sat Dec 15, 2007 4:07 am

It's worth noting that the clause in question is in the American Airlines contract with one union (APA), while the press release is from the Eagle pilots union (ALPA).

The clause in question is open to interpretation:

Quote:
In a recent document distributed to American Eagle employees, Mr.
Bowler referred to a section of the collective bargaining agreement between
American Airlines and its pilots' union, the Allied Pilots Association that
requires all flights that do not fly to or from an American Airlines hub to
be flown by a wholly-owned carrier of AMR. American Eagle currently is
wholly owned by AMR but if American Eagle is divested, a number of those
flights would no longer be operated. A point-to-point flight is one that
does not begin or end in an American Airlines "hub" and represents
approximately 250 of American Eagle's 1,700 daily flights.

So if RDU doesn't count as a "hub", where else would flights need to get cut? BOS? DCA? LGA? (Not that the end of slot squatting by AA would be a bad thing for LGA....)
 
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sat Dec 15, 2007 5:22 am



Quoting VictorKilo (Reply 3):

The clause in question is open to interpretation:

It seems pretty clear to me...

I wonder what the history of this clause is. It may have come from the TW purchase, i.e. out of a desire to keep Connection contained in St. Louis. If that's the case, AA ought to be able to convince the pilots that the need for such a clause has passed and, in fact, that the divestiture of Eagle is such a fundamental change that they ought to get rid of the clause for everyone's benefit. Of course, that presumes that the union will act in the best interest of the pilots, which is probably a risky assumption...

OTOH, AA does have some flexibility. They do have two certificates for Eagle right now, and they could easily keep OW around, move some ERJs over to OW, and fly the p2p routes that way (and probably, in that scenario, some hub routes as well). There are options...
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sat Dec 15, 2007 5:55 am



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
I wonder what the history of this clause is.

It arose from the ashes of the 91 contract where the "progressives" took control of the union and essentially gutted the Scope Clause from three paragraphs ("all flying done by..., on behalf of..., its parent corp..., sister corp...., or controlled by... etc.) to a multi-page listing of "exceptions." Then the "progressives" tried to arbitrate Scope in a Canadian case where there was clearly no Scope violation --that lead to even more "exceptions." They've been trying to "rebuild" Scope ever since.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):
They do have two certificates for Eagle right now

Used to be a dozen or more, but I'm not sure of the legal status of the multiple AE operating certificates after the "one-airline" fiasco of years gone by.
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:04 am



Quoting AAR90 (Reply 5):
Used to be a dozen or more, but I'm not sure of the legal status of the multiple AE operating certificates after the "one-airline" fiasco of years gone by.

OW (ATRs) is still separate from MQ (jets and Saabs). Among other reasons, it makes things a little easier to keep all the overwater flying on a separate certificate.
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:06 am



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 4):

It seems pretty clear to me...

Not even close to being clear. Hence the PR puts the word "hub" in quotations and is heavy on hedge words like "might". The reason? The word hub is defined so loosely that stations like Raleigh and Boston can be interpreted as being a hub. While it will be up to a court to interpret the term, in reality, what this will likely effect is a very small amount of flights that are truly point-to-point, like SNA-SFO. A court interpreting it would then likely have to decide what the customary airline industry definition of "hub" is, and Boston, Raleigh, and maybe even San Jose, could likely make the definition.

More greedy AA pilots trying to slow down AA's progress. Shame on them.
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:14 am



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
The word hub is defined so loosely that stations like Raleigh and Boston can be interpreted as being a hub. While it will be up to a court to interpret the term, in reality, what this will likely effect is a very small amount of flights that are truly point-to-point, like SNA-SFO. A court interpreting it would then likely have to decide what the customary airline industry definition of "hub" is, and Boston, Raleigh, and maybe even San Jose, could likely make the definition.

The problem is that a court will first look to the agreement itself and then to other dealings between pilots and AA in order to define hub (all of this prior to looking at industry use of the word). Given that RDU was a hub (and a pilot base) and closed, AA will be hard-pressed to argue that RDU is a hub, and yet, looking at the number of connections, RDU is probably the most 'hub-like' of the cities we're discussing. AA doesn't have a strong case here, unfortunately.
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:53 am



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):
The problem is that a court will first look to the agreement itself and then to other dealings between pilots and AA in order to define hub (all of this prior to looking at industry use of the word). Given that RDU was a hub (and a pilot base) and closed, AA will be hard-pressed to argue that RDU is a hub, and yet, looking at the number of connections, RDU is probably the most 'hub-like' of the cities we're discussing. AA doesn't have a strong case here, unfortunately.

I disagree that it's going to be that simple. I think it will get to the point where AA will be allowed to bring in extrinsic evidence to define the use of the word hub as the industry standard, and RDU would most likely satisfy that definition. The use of the word hub is much more broad within airlines and pilots than it is the way it is used to the public. I think AA has a strong case, and they will likely win. They also, probably, have better lawyers.

We are also talking about American Eagle operations here, not American Airlines mainline. AA can show how, even though they closed the "hub", since around 2000, they have heavily rebuilt the RDU hub. They also carry some connecting traffic via RDU. It isn't a lot, but it is enough to strengthen their hub argument.
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sat Dec 15, 2007 3:29 pm



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
The word hub is defined so loosely that stations like Raleigh and Boston can be interpreted as being a hub.

The contractual language is actually "Hub or Major Airport Departures" and clearly defining those as being: "...shall carry passengers on behalf of the Company only into or out of the following airports: DFW, ORD, MIA, SJU, SFO, LAX, LGA, STL and JFK." Naturally there are legal "exclusions" for government imposed restrictions (i.e. DCA) as lawyers like to have loopholes to work around/through/past.

Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 7):
More greedy AA pilots trying to slow down AA's progress. Shame on them.

Please learn to differentiate between "AA pilots" and "APA" (the union). As so many (a few thousand) AA pilots like to say: "I didn't leave APA, APA left me."
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sat Dec 15, 2007 3:35 pm



Quoting AirCop (Reply 1):
Isn't 250 flights a small number of the total flights operated by American Eagle, much ado about nothing?

Might be good for eagle - they are majorly hurting for pilots right now. They've been using all their reserves like mad for almost two years, and now they're starting to reassign pilots on 3+ hour layovers to short out and backs because they just don't have the coverage.
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sat Dec 15, 2007 3:45 pm

MAH4546:
How would you like to work for a company that denied you a salary and benefits increase for five years?

[Edited 2007-12-15 07:50:29]
 
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sat Dec 15, 2007 5:11 pm



Quoting AAR90 (Reply 10):
The contractual language is actually "Hub or Major Airport Departures" and clearly defining those as being: "...shall carry passengers on behalf of the Company only into or out of the following airports: DFW, ORD, MIA, SJU, SFO, LAX, LGA, STL and JFK." Naturally there are legal "exclusions" for government imposed restrictions (i.e. DCA) as lawyers like to have loopholes to work around/through/past.

With that as the definition of "hub", there's only about 65 roundtrips on MQ or OW that don't meet that criteria, with 30 of those roundtrips on routes also served by WN, and only 8 daily roundtrips on the three routes that aren't routes served by other airlines.

Served by other airlines:

SJC-SNA
SJC-SAN
FLL-NAS
DAL-AUS
DAL-MCI
BOS-CMH
BOS-YYZ
RDU-JAX
RDU-MCI
RDU-SDF
RDU-EWR
RDU-BOS

Not served by other airlines:

RDU-CMH
RDU-XNA
RDU-BDL

I think this may actually turn out to be a really smart move by AA, as it allows AA to remove high CASM aircraft from competitive routes that aren't core to AA's network, but do so under the cover of APA accommodation.
 
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sat Dec 15, 2007 5:17 pm



Quoting VictorKilo (Reply 13):
SJC-SNA
SJC-SAN
FLL-NAS
DAL-AUS
DAL-MCI
BOS-CMH
BOS-YYZ
RDU-JAX
RDU-MCI
RDU-SDF
RDU-EWR
RDU-BOS

...add SJC-LAX... Wink
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sat Dec 15, 2007 5:39 pm



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 14):
...add SJC-LAX...

He was referring to flights to cities NOT considered a hub. SJC-LAX falls under the LAX hub flying.
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sat Dec 15, 2007 5:42 pm

A small number compared to the current route structure. I take AE wants to cut down on the less profitable routes.

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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sat Dec 15, 2007 5:42 pm



Quoting VictorKilo (Reply 13):
With that as the definition of "hub",

Not the definition of "hub." It is the actual contractual language contained in the Scope Clause (Section-1, AA/APA contract).

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 14):
...add SJC-LAX...

Note that LAX is listed in the Scope Clause language.
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:07 pm

I really hope Eagle doesn't stop flying out to SNA, I love to watch those beautiful ERJs come in...

 Sad

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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:27 pm

I guess i can forget gettin a job with them now...
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:44 pm



Quoting AAR90 (Reply 10):

The contractual language is actually "Hub or Major Airport Departures" and clearly defining those as being: "...shall carry passengers on behalf of the Company only into or out of the following airports: DFW, ORD, MIA, SJU, SFO, LAX, LGA, STL and JFK." Naturally there are legal "exclusions" for government imposed restrictions (i.e. DCA) as lawyers like to have loopholes to work around/through/past.

If the contract defines those markets, then there won't be disputing. I didn't know it defined them.

Quoting Airspeed777 (Reply 12):
MAH4546:
How would you like to work for a company that denied you a salary and benefits increase for five years?

You mean a company that also didn't get rid of my pensions and already pays me better or competitively with the entire rest of the industry? I'd feel just fine.
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:57 pm

Why the big panic?

Let AA/AMR do what it feels is best. If this means shedding AE and the subsequent flying fine.

As we have seen and more airlines start to realise there cannot continue to remain sacred or nostalgic ideas around when it comes to routes, subsidiaries, or other parts of the business.

As with any other business, airlines are not employment agencies and must make the often tough strategic decisions that will provide the best return to the bottom line helping ensure long term corporate success.
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:23 pm



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20):

If the contract defines those markets, then there won't be disputing. I didn't know it defined them.

 checkmark  FWIW, that probably makes RDU MORE likely to lose some flying, as there's hardly enough there for AA to try to amend the contract (though it would arguably be in the pilots' best interest to permit AA to amend the contract to include RDU).
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:26 pm



Quoting FATFlyer (Reply 15):

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 14):
...add SJC-LAX...

He was referring to flights to cities NOT considered a hub. SJC-LAX falls under the LAX hub flying.



Quoting AAR90 (Reply 17):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 14):
...add SJC-LAX...

Note that LAX is listed in the Scope Clause language.

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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:43 pm

I think they might be hard-pressed to define RDU as a hub. It's a hub because of Eagle. Unless they can maybe define RDU as a hub simply because of the LGW flight. All AA flying is to hubs, with the exception of one LGA flight and one LGW flight per day, but that hardly makes it a hub.

I think the biggest problem with this would be XNA. Eagle flies to many places from XNA, but the two newest--RDU and DCA, would have to be cut, which might create a big problem for all the business there.

This is really an interesting problem.
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sat Dec 15, 2007 7:58 pm



Quoting DFW13L (Reply 24):

I think the biggest problem with this would be XNA. Eagle flies to many places from XNA, but the two newest--RDU and DCA, would have to be cut, which might create a big problem for all the business there.

DCA point-to-point flying is exempt in the contract.
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:51 pm



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 20):
If the contract defines those markets,

It was taken directly from the contract.  Wink

Quoting LAXintl (Reply 21):
Why the big panic?

People need something to talk about.  chat 
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:57 pm



Quoting SNAFlyboy (Reply 18):
I really hope Eagle doesn't stop flying out to SNA, I love to watch those beautiful ERJs come in...

SNA would be an interesting situation, because AA has always done very well on their Bay Area-SNA flights. I am willing to bet that AA would replace Eagle with mainline, albeit at reduced frequency, on SFO/SJC-SNA.

They could also use some freed up slots to start the long-rumored MIA-SNA flight.
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sun Dec 16, 2007 3:02 am

[quote=MAH4546,reply=27]SNA would be an interesting situation, because AA has always done very well on their Bay Area-SNA flights. I am willing to bet that AA would replace Eagle with mainline, albeit at reduced frequency, on SFO/SJC-SNA.

SFO is a protected in the contract, SJC is weird; there's a mainline flight northbound (along with 5 ERJs). It flies STL-SNA-SJC-ORD-STL. The northbound scheduling is interesting, though, as they 6 flights are in 3 units about 2 hours apart. Split the difference with S80s and you have a fine schedule (something like 3x daily at 0730, 1430, and 1700).

The southbound flights aren't bunched like that... It kind of seems like a route that AA doesn't quite have the right aircraft for... cough... 100 seater.
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:03 pm



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 27):
SNA would be an interesting situation, because AA has always done very well on their Bay Area-SNA flights. I am willing to bet that AA would replace Eagle with mainline, albeit at reduced frequency, on SFO/SJC-SNA.

They could also use some freed up slots to start the long-rumored MIA-SNA flight.

What aircraft do you think AA would use on these routes. That runway is greatly restricted. The only two aircraft in the fleet that could do it would be the 738 or the 752. I could see a 752 from MIA, but I would think the weight restrictions on a 738 would be pretty heavy. Also, I would think the yields on the MQ routes from SNA would be falling. All SNA flights are E135 I believe.
 
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sun Dec 16, 2007 4:07 pm



Quoting XJET (Reply 29):
What aircraft do you think AA would use on these routes. That runway is greatly restricted. The only two aircraft in the fleet that could do it would be the 738 or the 752. I could see a 752 from MIA, but I would think the weight restrictions on a 738 would be pretty heavy. Also, I would think the yields on the MQ routes from SNA would be falling. All SNA flights are E135 I believe.

Actually I guess the MD83 can do it....... never mind. I just looked at the numbers. I thought the MDs needed more runway than that.
 
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:00 pm



Quoting XJET (Reply 30):

Actually I guess the MD83 can do it....... never mind. I just looked at the numbers. I thought the MDs needed more runway than that.

MIA-SNA is long for an 83, and MIA isn't a S80 hub. I'd say a 738 is more likely; I'm not sure how restricted it actually would be. Bear in mind that TZ ran more densely-configured 738s out of MDW on some pretty long routes (west coast and SJU) without any trouble for a while.
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:11 pm



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 31):
MIA-SNA is long for an 83

Way long in fact. Even with adequate runways the MD-80 would run out of fuel over Arizona.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 31):
I'd say a 738 is more likely

That or a 757. CO runs 737s transcon out of SNA, though IIRC they use 73Gs on EWR-SNA.

Quoting XJET (Reply 30):
Actually I guess the MD83 can do it....... never mind. I just looked at the numbers. I thought the MDs needed more runway than that.

SFO/SJC-SNA was once run with 757s, 738s and S80s. American still runs S80s to SNA, a daily to SJC and a daily to STL IIRC, as well as the flight from Austin (the flight to Austin is operated by a 738).
 
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:15 pm



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 31):

MIA-SNA is long for an 83, and MIA isn't a S80 hub. I'd say a 738 is more likely; I'm not sure how restricted it actually would be. Bear in mind that TZ ran more densely-configured 738s out of MDW on some pretty long routes (west coast and SJU) without any trouble for a while.

A 738 should be able to do MIA-SNA. Even if it weight-restricted on the west-bound, the yield would probably make it up for it (or at least that's what AA would hope). SNA is a money printing machine for AA.
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:57 pm



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 33):
SNA is a money printing machine for AA.

I would never have thought SNA-ORD-SNA would see 4X B757's...I've taken those flights countless amount of times and they have always been packed.....now obviously that doesn't necessarily equate to profitable, but it certainly is a good sign...

..of course, never would have imagined to see 11 DFW-SNA with B738's either.. spin 

Given how strong AA is in Miami/LAX-area, I'm surprised not to see a B738 or B757 MIA-SNA service...
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:04 pm

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 34):
now obviously that doesn't necessarily equate to profitable, but it certainly is a good sign...

For AA, it does. SNA is one of their absolute highest yielding domestic stations, bar none. And AA is very strong at SNA. I think they are the second largest airline at SNA after Southwest. There has been talk of shifting some SJC slots to start MIA and re-start JFK.

[Edited 2007-12-16 15:05:34]
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:07 am



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 35):
For AA, it does. SNA is one of their absolute highest yielding domestic stations, bar none. And AA is very strong at SNA. I think they are the second largest airline at SNA after Southwest.

I think you must be correct regarding this. Working out on the ramp, it begins to seem like, during certain times of the day, the south side is overrun with WN flights while the north side is overrun with AA and Eagle!  eyebrow 

752's are indeed the largest we get here, with runway length being such a severely limiting factor. I practically grew up on AA MD-80s and love them to death, but I think flying to MIA would be a little extreme. As mentioned above, 738s and 752s would probably be best, both in terms of performance and yield... Not to mention those are two of the largest planes you can fly out of SNA anyway!

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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:18 am



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 33):
A 738 should be able to do MIA-SNA. Even if it weight-restricted on the west-bound, the yield would probably make it up for it (or at least that's what AA would hope).

We'd be weight restricted east-bound due to KSNA's runway --Note: we're often severely weight restricted to KDFW, especially on hot days.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 34):
I'm surprised not to see a B738 or B757 MIA-SNA service...

Historically, everytime AA tries to add transcon service from SNA, it has drawn more traffic away from AA's LAX transcons than it has generated new traffic. I don't know the "break-even" numbers, but that would be the most discouraging item why AA does not fly SNA-east coast cities.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 34):
I would never have thought SNA-ORD-SNA would see 4X B757's...

We used to fly 6x/day FULL B752 flights... every flight. Now, we simply don't have the available acft.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 34):
never would have imagined to see 11 DFW-SNA with B738's either

We pulled the larger planes so guess what's left.  Wink
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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:45 am



Quoting MAH4546 (Reply 35):
For AA, it does. SNA is one of their absolute highest yielding domestic stations, bar none. And AA is very strong at SNA. I think they are the second largest airline at SNA after Southwest. There has been talk of shifting some SJC slots to start MIA and re-start JFK.

....bit surprising...I never would have thought AA would have such good yields...even though AE/MQ is one of the larger carriers out of LAX and 2nd at SFO (albeit well far behind UA at SFO), I've never thought of AA as a "west-coast" operator..maybe its the bad luck at SJC the past 5-6 years....

Quoting AAR90 (Reply 37):
Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 34):
I would never have thought SNA-ORD-SNA would see 4X B757's...

We used to fly 6x/day FULL B752 flights... every flight. Now, we simply don't have the available acft.

....interesting....when was the route cut by two?

Quoting AAR90 (Reply 37):

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 34):
never would have imagined to see 11 DFW-SNA with B738's either

We pulled the larger planes so guess what's left.  Wink

.....can't argue with you there.. Smile

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RE: AA Eagle Pilots: May Cut 250 Routes

Mon Dec 17, 2007 3:12 pm



Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 38):
....bit surprising...I never would have thought AA would have such good yields...

"Yields" are much different than "loads." The average SNA-DFW flight has more than a dozen AAdvantage Platinums on the airport standby list (already checked in at the airport) for upgrade to F (there are only 16 total F seats on 738). AAdvantage Golds don't even bother to try.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 38):
....interesting....when was the route cut by two?

Honestly don't know and don't care since I'm prohibited from flying there --at least for now.

Quoting Jacobin777 (Reply 38):
that has to be the smallest AAdmiral's Club I've ever seen....

Understandable considering the terminal/parking structure is larger than the runway.  spin 
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