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Cape Air May Expand To Gary (GYY)

Sat Dec 15, 2007 6:56 pm

WTHR in Indianapolis reported this morning that Cape Air may expand it's Indiana service to Gary (GYY). I only watched it on TV and wasn't not able to find a link on their website. But I think it was said the the Indianapolis Airport Authority board was looking into this and nothing had been decided yet. Will FWA be next?
 
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RE: Cape Air May Expand To Gary (GYY)

Sat Dec 15, 2007 8:26 pm

They are now flying EVV, SBN, IND. They will probably fly GYY when details are worked out. HUF is also interested. All flights are to and from IND Website is http://www.capeair.com
 
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RE: Cape Air May Expand To Gary (GYY)

Sat Dec 15, 2007 9:52 pm

I don't see FWA happening. Just way too close.
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RE: Cape Air May Expand To Gary (GYY)

Sat Dec 15, 2007 11:06 pm



Quoting Skyrat (Reply 2):
I don't see FWA happening. Just way too close.

I watched the local news here a while back, and an official from FWA said that they were not interested in Cape Air to IND. I agree... what's the point when Indianapolis is a 2 hour drive down I-69? (It's also the reason why a lot of potential FWA pax drive to IND, but that's a different story.)

You can read more here: http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/local/9905912.html
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RE: Cape Air May Expand To Gary (GYY)

Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:57 am

These flights are not going to be used by the leisure traveler, but by the business traveler that has a meeting in Indianapolis and doesn't want to spend 4+ hours driving.
 
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RE: Cape Air May Expand To Gary (GYY)

Sun Dec 16, 2007 3:06 am



Quoting BravoGolf (Reply 4):
These flights are not going to be used by the leisure traveler, but by the business traveler that has a meeting in Indianapolis and doesn't want to spend 4+ hours driving.

Yeah it makes sense from places like SBN, GYY and EVV. But FWA wouldn't work since you could just about get to downtown INDY in just about the same amount of time.
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RE: Cape Air May Expand To Gary (GYY)

Sun Dec 16, 2007 1:54 pm

Terre Haute is closer to Indy than Ft Wayne. I doubt very seriously that Cape Air would start flying this route. And I can also tell you that I get alot of bags from the SBN flight that transfer to DL in Indy and some from the EVV flight, so I would say that the majority of the passengers on these flights are not business people coming to Indy for work.
 
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RE: Cape Air May Expand To Gary (GYY)

Sun Dec 16, 2007 2:49 pm



Quoting RampGuy (Reply 6):
And I can also tell you that I get alot of bags from the SBN flight that transfer to DL in Indy and some from the EVV flight, so I would say that the majority of the passengers on these flights are not business people coming to Indy for work.

Very surprising!
 
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RE: Cape Air May Expand To Gary (GYY)

Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:55 pm



Quoting FWAERJ (Reply 3):
I watched the local news here a while back, and an official from FWA said that they were not interested in Cape Air to IND. I agree... what's the point when Indianapolis is a 2 hour drive down I-69?

Replace the 69 in that statement with 65, and you might argue the same is true in GYY. While getting out of Chicago is terrible, the drive from Gary to Indy typically isn't that bad.
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RE: Cape Air May Expand To Gary (GYY)

Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:43 pm



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):
While getting out of Chicago is terrible, the drive from Gary to Indy typically isn't that bad.

You should try it in the winter with the snow blowing across the cornfields not to mention the increase in trucks!
 
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RE: Cape Air May Expand To Gary (GYY)

Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:49 pm



Quoting BravoGolf (Reply 9):
You should try it in the winter with the snow blowing across the cornfields not to mention the increase in trucks!

I'll give you that 65 has more trucks than 69, but there's no weather difference between the two drives...
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RE: Cape Air May Expand To Gary (GYY)

Sun Dec 16, 2007 11:14 pm



Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 8):

Replace the 69 in that statement with 65, and you might argue the same is true in GYY. While getting out of Chicago is terrible, the drive from Gary to Indy typically isn't that bad.

The drive GYY-IND is alot longer than FWA-IND (the center city of IND that is) both miles and time wise.

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 10):

I'll give you that 65 has more trucks than 69, but there's no weather difference between the two drives...

65, especially the Lake/Jasper County section and at times all the way down to LAF, is going to be more prevalent to snow in many wintertime setups.
 
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RE: Cape Air May Expand To Gary (GYY)

Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:48 am

THe drive from GYY or the vicinity may be a "straight shot" down I-65, but many that have driven that route, would say that the drive is long and boring. Yes, there is the argument that with the time you spend getting to the airport, waiting for flight, etc. you could drive it...but for those that need to get work done, could get work done during that time if they fly as opposed to driving. Plus, i would not be surprised to see Cape Air "hook up" with NW or AirTran to have connecting flights to the other cities from IND.

BTW, does anyone know how well the IND-SBN/EVV flights are doing?
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RE: Cape Air May Expand To Gary (GYY)

Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:20 am



Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 11):
The drive GYY-IND is alot longer than FWA-IND (the center city of IND that is) both miles and time wise.

But considering IND is west of downtown Indianapolis, it's actually only about 10 miles different from the respective downtowns to IND. Bear in mind that much of the population GYY serves is closer to IND than is downtown Gary.
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RE: Cape Air May Expand To Gary (GYY)

Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:40 am

Quoting Cubsrule (Reply 13):

But considering IND is west of downtown Indianapolis, it's actually only about 10 miles different from the respective downtowns to IND. Bear in mind that much of the population GYY serves is closer to IND than is downtown Gary.

IND-GYY Total Est. Time: 2 hours, 25 minutes Total Est. Distance: 151.14 miles

IND-FWA Total Est. Time: 2 hours, 1 minute Total Est. Distance: 128.36 miles

Both figures are center city to center city, via Mapquest.

And despite the Castleton area mess on I-69, you'll hit far more traffic on the Gary drive than you will on the FWA drive. Lake County traffic makes that northside Indy traffic look like a county road with a farmer driving a tractor.

To throw a wrench into it, since you did say (and I agree) that the GYY area business is closer to Indy than the GYY downtown, so I'll include these two satellite hubs of business/population in the GYY catchment area.

Indy-Merrillville: Total Est. Time: 2 hours, 13 minutes Total Est. Distance: 142.64 miles
Indy-Valparaiso (already served by scheduled "charter" on a Baron 2x): Total Est. Time: 2 hours, 28 minutes Total Est. Distance: 155.29 miles

All of them are still longer and further than Indy-Fort Wayne.

But going along that mindset, there is a significantly better business/economic state in Lake/Porter Counties as compared to Allen. Gary proper excluded and Lake County is a very prosperous area, and Porter County is second to only Hamilton County for median income in Indiana. Allen County not so much.

[Edited 2007-12-16 18:45:02]
 
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RE: Cape Air May Expand To Gary (GYY)

Mon Dec 17, 2007 2:53 am



Quoting Tornado82 (Reply 14):
Gary proper excluded and Lake County is a very prosperous area, and Porter County is second to only Hamilton County for median income in Indiana. Allen County not so much.

Very true; I don't think there's any question about that. But I wonder if the business community in Lake and Porter Counties isn't better connected to Chicago than it is to Indianapolis.

And at the end of the day, both Gary and Fort Wayne have far better road connections to Indianapolis than do Evansville and South Bend.
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